Pre-war or today's Poland?

Prove what is wrong? You do seem to be getting more and more confused lately. And earlier in the day too.

nationmaster.com/graph/eco_inn-economy-innovation

Poland is 34th in terms of innvoation and ahead of such innovation 'leaders' as Lithuania, Trinidad & Tobago, Costa Ricsa and Latvia. But below Hungary, Ukraine, Slovakia and Estonia. Impressive, eh?

From your source


So the data will be from 2000: a lot has changed in 13 years.

Considerably so, not least the fact that Poland has developed a hell of a lot of IT talent in the last few years.

So you provide the updated innovation ranking. I did my bit,.

You are claiming that Poland is low on the innovation ranking, it is for you to prove your claim.

Poland is usually sky-high in all government-sponsored ranks. It also seems to be nicely scored in "the Economist" influenced by Anne Applebaum - a wife of the current polish minister of foreign affairs.

As it happens, from your link Polo:


Now, which of us supports a party that is hugely unfriendly towards SMEs and commercialisation? Oh yes, that's you.

Come to think of it, you're the one who wants a 'return' to a 'traditional' Poland but you're still complaining about Poland not being innovative enough?! Make your mind up.

Is bottom of the totem pole low enough?

Who are the innovation leaders in the European Union?
Based on the Summary Innovation Index, the Member States fall into the following four country groups:
Innovation leaders: Sweden, Germany, Denmark and Finland, all show a performance well above that of the EU average.
Innovation followers: Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, the UK, Austria, Ireland, France, Slovenia, Cyprus and Estonia all show a performance close to that of the EU average.

Moderate innovators: The performance of Italy, Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic, Greece, Slovakia, Hungary, Malta and Lithuania is below that of the EU average.
Modest innovators: The performance of Poland, Latvia, Romania and Bulgaria is well below that of the EU average.
ec.europa.eu/enterprise/policies/innovation/facts-figures-analysis/innovation-scoreboard

I see you're lying again. How boring.

Harry's right, Polo. You want a fundamentally traditional Poland, and at the same an innovative country. Sounds a bit contradictory.
Among the most innovative countries you listed, most of them (esp. Sweden, Germany, and Denmark) are considered the least religious (and maybe the most liberal). Coincidence?

Pas du tout! I am referring to POLISH INNOVATIONS, not copycat stuff, not assembling VW Caddies in Poznań and Opel Astras in Gliwice. Something Polish and original -- an authenticlaly Polish-inspired song (not Polish rap crap) that takes the world by storm, a new Polish-designed make of car that becomes a top seller, a fashion item inspried by traditonal Polish folk tapestries that becomes all the rage... And in sick and dissolute libertine Europe Polish family and religious traditions can also be an eye-opening innovation to those for whom Sunday is nothing more than a time for nursing a bad hangover,

smurf
Yes, Piłsudski was an authoritarian fiugre but there was no other choice. When he stepped aside for democracy to take hold and retired in Sulejówek, democracy soon degenerated into anarchy. The presdient was assassinated by a national demoratic fanatic, and three fanatical Jewish communsits gunned down a police official. 13 governments rose and fell between 1919 and 1926, and constant bikcering amongst numerous parties, including punch-ups and police called in to restore order created what Piułduski called Sejmokracja -- a parliamentary circus. All this in a georgaphically precarious country also faced with internal threats from subversive groups such as the KPP and Ukrainian terrorists. Who knows how Poland would have fared had he not carried out his May 1926 coup.

During war and other particularly threatening times, special measures are needed. And this is done in every democratic country as well, to mention only WW2-era Britian and post-7/11 America.

There was one great achievement of interbellum Poland: development of deep patriotic attitude mostly in young people, but not only. Later on, during WW2 and after it, those youngsters went to barricades and gave their lives for Poland by hundred thousands.

Chilling to read Polly say this, as it sums up perfectly how PiS are treating today's Poland.

...instead of staying alive to be an antidote to the Jewish commies who would later come on the Soviet tanks. Brilliant.

Stop abusing your ancestors.

Once a teacher, always a teacher. Are you going to send me to the principal's office if I don't?

Because of those "ancestors", I almost didn't make it. A-holes. As it turned out, the Germans had more brains and let me live. They even fed me at the Hamburg camp. My "ancestors" didn't give a f**k about the 200,000 Poles who would eventually die.

On the plus side, Warsaw got leveled to make rebuilding it a must. Praga was not that lucky and it shows even today 75 years later.

They're obviously not coping with the current situation.

Chilling when you think how much they admire pre-war (and PRL-era) authoritarianism.

@jon357
That's because there is perspective of why Poland-Lithuania fell: to strong authoritarian regimes.
Which is why a more collective approach as been a goal in Poland. While at the same time ignoring the short-longevity and internal problems of authoritarian regimes post ww1 era.

No matter what system you have, or how good troops you have. One can't win a fight vs 3 great powers in Europe alone, at the same time

Of course it was possible. But Polish elites of the time were too selfish and thrifty to increase expenses on the army. Strong Poland could have been a potential partner for another power. Weak Poland was useless to all of them so they didn`t hesitate to dismantle it.