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Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans?


Spike31 1 | 588    
3 Feb 2019  #31
I think Spike here thinks himself and Poland superior to Germans

Your own words, @BratwurstBoy. It would be rude of me to disagree with you. Especially when there's an occasion to agree

This thread is an attempt to reverse things by an apologist.

My main question here is: more of an useful idiot or a guy with an agenda?
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,582    
  3 Feb 2019  #32
How about a useful idiot with an agenda.
Thanks for joining this sick thread.
OP pawian 134 | 6,809    
  3 Feb 2019  #33
Even worse. This thread is an attempt to reverse things by an apologist.

Please, relax. The thread is about reasons why Germans might not like Poles. It is not a thread denying the martyrology of the noble Polish nation. Nobody suggested it here. As simple as that.

Try to win the debate, but first of all you should stick to its subject matter.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,660    
  3 Feb 2019  #34
The thread is about reasons why Germans might not like Poles.

The problem as I see it is that the Germans here at PF actually like Poles...me, Tacitus...Intermarium even thinks about relocating to Poland...

So it comes down to Poles (often not even from Poland at all) confirming each other about how much they dislike the Germans right back!

That leads to nowhere, I fear....
dolnoslask 5 | 2,417    
  3 Feb 2019  #35
about how much they dislike the Germans right

I like Germans, like plenty of other Poles I know, many where I live have German partners, live in Germany and vice versa, maybe its old folk (that drive BMW's and Mercedes lol) who just cant get over ze war, the kids seem to be fine.

Oh sorry to add I don't like some German politicians, but that's the same for some or allot of Polish and Brit politicians
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,660    
3 Feb 2019  #36
the kids seem to be fine.

Here ditto! :)
OP pawian 134 | 6,809    
3 Feb 2019  #37
"messy" I can vouch that Polish cities and cleaner than German towns.

If I meant that, I would write uncleanly or similar. By messy I meant disorganised in doing things in life.

More like : "orders must be obeyed at all times" than law abiding citizens.

Call it as you want, if orders come from law they pass in Germany, then it is law -abiding.

their still trying to enforce their "mittleeuropa" project in Central Europe.

They don`t have to be trying, it comes so natural, doesn`t it? You`d better think and do sth so that Poland reaches a similar status as Germany in Europe. But no, you won`t because all you can do is whine about wronged Poles.
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,582    
  3 Feb 2019  #38
Please, relax. The thread is about reasons why Germans might not like Poles.

Would you like me to ask why BTK's daughter might not like the survivors of his victims?

Reciprocate in the future, not now.
OP pawian 134 | 6,809    
3 Feb 2019  #39
The problem as I see it is that the Germans here at PF actually like Poles...me, Tacitus...Intermarium

Yes, that is my impression, too. There are Germans liking Poles and the other way round, too. But other Germans don`t share your positive attitude and I wanted to make sure if my suppositions about their dislike were correct.

PS. How about The Other who used to employ a strong antiPolish pro German rhetoric a few years ago when I exchanged opinions with him/her .
dolnoslask 5 | 2,417    
3 Feb 2019  #40
But other Germans don`t share your positive attitude

Is there any common thread with that type of person older generation? West germans?, I mention West Germans because I used to have business dealings a few of them, and they would always be derogatory about East Germans, I don't have a clue why!!
OP pawian 134 | 6,809    
  3 Feb 2019  #41
Would you like me to ask why BTK's daughter might not like the survivors of his victims?

You still don`t understand, To debate the problem you are putting forward, we would have to first start a thread entitled: Should we or not discuss such topics as why Germans dislike Poles?

To save time and energy, I, as the OP of this thread, decided to skip that Should discussion and get straight to business. So, I am reminding you again, the title of this thread is what it is and try to stick to it. If you can`t, why are you here? Start your own Should thread and use your energy there, I don`t mind.

Simple, love it or leave it.
Sorry but in terms of logical discourse, you are losing, I am sure you feel it, that is why you are so aggressive, with that name calling etc earlier on. You do`nt care about any victims, you just object for the mere joy of it. Are you strong enough to admit it? Not even in public, but to yourself.
Spike31 1 | 588    
  3 Feb 2019  #42
You`d better think and do sth so that Poland reaches a similar status as Germany in Europe

That's what I'm proposing here on PolishForums. Read more closely my posts, Pawian.

the kids seem to be fine

Young generation of Poles has mostly right-wing and centre right-wing political views

66% of 15 to 24 year olds declares themselves right-wing supporters.

44% declares themselves centre-right
22% regular right-wing

geekweek.pl/news/2017-03-24/mlode-pokolenie-polakow-to-prawicowi-patrioci_1661227/
Rich Mazur 5 | 2,582    
3 Feb 2019  #43
we would have to first start a thread entitled: Should we or not discuss such topics as why Germans dislike Poles?

The question you asked is as immoral as asking if the Katyn killers' kids like or dislike Poland. I, personally, don't give a flying f*** in both cases - yours and mine about Katyn.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,417    
3 Feb 2019  #44
Young generation of Poles has mostly right-wing and centre right-wing political views

I don't see what bearing that has on their intersocial / working relationship with young Germans, I understand that politics may be a different thing.

I don't see eye to eye with German politics but I was more than happy to celebrate new year in Germany with Germans.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,660    
  3 Feb 2019  #45
and they would always be derogatory about East Germans, I don't have a clue why!!

The same reason why these people would make derogatory comments about Poles....plain ignorance. *shrugs*

Most of them never put a foot either into Ossi-land nor Poland...which leads me back to Tacitus' and mine main argument that this dislike stems from a lack of actual "knowing" besides hearing bad stuff about a PiS gov in Warsaw.

Germans like to travel around, but still mainly western and southern Europe. Abit more tourism eastwards would change things big in a good way...win-win situation.

Young generation of Poles has mostly right-wing and centre right-wing political views

I used Google to translate this page and it gave out such stuff like this:

...Interestingly, the majority of young people, despite their right-wing outlook, do not support the ruling party, or PiS. This should not come as a surprise, because this party has little to do with the pure right. Therefore, the young would be happy to support the Kukiz'15 group, as many as 27 percent of them, and 19 percent of Janusz Korwin-Mikke's party - Freedom.

That goes against all known surveys and Polls I know off. Korwin-Mikke is an absolute fringe outsider, even between polish nationalists. And what is "pure right"?

That reminds me more about another survey you posted a few days back...that 90% Poles are anti-EU or something like that. Also made by a Korwin-Mikke friendly party...

Frankly, I doubt that!

But I have to agree that it is the likes of Korwin-Mikke who make not only Germans shake their heads about Poland (if that is all they learn about the country and its people).

Korwin-Mikke and his statements like:

Polish politician says women should earn less because 'they are weaker, they are smaller, they are less intelligent'

During a discussion about what constitutes rape, he asked: "Raped, what does it mean raped?"

I frankly doubt that 66% of the young Poles would support THAT!
Spike31 1 | 588    
3 Feb 2019  #46
Źródło: Instytut Spraw Publicznych/Gazeta Wyborcza

Wrong again @BratwurstBoy
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,660    
  3 Feb 2019  #47
Wrong? ...Even you know that a huge majority of the Poles is pro-EU. These polls even make the international headlines, your "polls" don't. Doesn't it make you wonder?

For your links I have to use Google translate and there isn't even a background to these "polls"...

And then there are real polls and surveys:

Support for EU membership reaches record high in Poland despite showdown with Brussels

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-eu-membership-support-for-membership-courts-rule-of-law-mateusz-morawiecki-juncker-a8149876.html

Germany no longer seen as 'threat' in Poland: poll

politico.eu/article/germany-poland-no-longer-seen-as-threat-poll/

Majority of Germans and Poles want to focus on 'future,' despite fraught history, according to survey.

I would like to know, what do you think about Korwin-Mikke and his statements?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,417    
3 Feb 2019  #48
dislike stems from a lack of actual "knowing"

Hit Nail on Head, it was only until I started to travel and live in other countries that I learned that the human one to one level was soo different to tv, politics, propaganda and geo politics, and that sort of stuff is not the normal fodder of day to day living,working and personal relationships between peoples of different nationalities or cultures, (apart from one).
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,660    
  3 Feb 2019  #49
*nods*

Western Europe has had decades more time get on an equal footing. I'm looking at the relationship between another set of once-arch enemies, France and Germany. Decades of sending schoolkids back and forth put an end to that. Tourism, university-exchanges etc...that all did their job.

Today it is nigh unthinkable for modern Frenchies and Germans to go back to the old hate...maybe in a few decades in the future it will be the same between Germany and Poland.

It's easier to hate an unknown country than a real life person...
Spike31 1 | 588    
3 Feb 2019  #50
Even you know that a huge majority of the Poles is pro-EU

Not a huge majority, but yes, there's still a majority supporting our participation in the EU. It is supported mostly by middle-aged Poles. Yet it's not an unconditional support: add mandatory refugees quotas to this equation and most Poles wants to leave the EU.

The young generation, a future voters, are more EU-sceptical in all those aspects.
dolnoslask 5 | 2,417    
3 Feb 2019  #51
maybe in a few decades in the future it will be the same between Germany and Poland.

I don't think it will take that long, my opinion is that from the borderlands to Wroclaw (breslau for you) things are fine, plenty of Polish German interminglings, tourists etc etc. further east dunno you need to ask the Warsawa dwellers.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,660    
3 Feb 2019  #52
and most Poles wants to leave the EU.

That is new to me....
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,660    
  3 Feb 2019  #53
from the borderlands to Wroclaw (breslau for you) things are fine, plenty of Polish German interminglings, tourists etc

And Spike reported in another thread about fat, sauerkraut smelling german tourists in Danzig...so, things are maybe indeed looking up? :)
dolnoslask 5 | 2,417    
3 Feb 2019  #54
german tourists

Bring in a whole shed load of money into our fledgling agro tourism trade, no one here would spoil that, well lunatics might.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,127    
  3 Feb 2019  #55
These type of polls are specific. They do not necessarily say that the remaining two-thirds dislike Polish people. Most likely they say that the remaining two-thirds are neutral or simply don't care.

and most Poles wants to leave the EU.

Spike reported in another thread about fat, sauerkraut smelling german tourists in Danzig

Both seem to be personal opinions of Spike rather than views shared by the majority of Poles in Poland. One should also notice that 'sauerkraut' (kiszona kapusta) is very popular here in Poland, so chances of meeting sauerkraut smelling Polish tourists in Berlin or Hamburg are pretty high ...
Spike31 1 | 588    
  3 Feb 2019  #56
Both seem to be personal opinions of Spike rather than views shared by the majority of Poles in Poland

IBRIS poll for "Polityka" weekly in 2017 has shown that over 51 % of Poles would rather leave the EU instead of taking in mandatory "refugee" quotas to Poland

wiadomosci.wp.pl/zaskakujace-wyniki-sondazu-polacy-wola-wyjsc-z-unii-niz-przyjac-uchodzcow-6140848547620481a

pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6QY6xXoAAb0rZ.jpg
dolnoslask 5 | 2,417    
3 Feb 2019  #57
Poles would rather leave the EU instead of taking in mandatory "refugee" quotas to Poland

Agreed that was a red line, but Angela gave in and backed off, I guess traded it so Poland gave in on commie, sorry court reform.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,127    
3 Feb 2019  #58
polacy-wola-wyjsc-z-unii-niz-przyjac-uchodzcow

This is a poll in which a certain condition for leaving was put forward. If you asked about "leaving the EU rather than adopting the euro". you would get yet another result, possibly much less than 50%; if you asked about "leave the EU rather than giving Wrocław and Szczecin back to the Germans", you would get another result, possibly close to 100%.

So the poll was about testing the possible level of sacrifice on the part of Poles in taking mandatory quotas of 'refugees' rather than about the real issue of leaving the EU by Poland.
Spike31 1 | 588    
3 Feb 2019  #59
Agreed that was a red line, but Angela gave in and backed off, I guess traded it so Poland gave in on commie, sorry court reform.

Yet, the time works to our advantage. The young generation of Poles is mostly EU-sceptical. They see clearly that the EU that Poland has joined in 2004 doesn't exist anymore and that decisions - which shapes it for worse - are being made over our heads.

This is a poll in which a certain condition for leaving was put forward.

That's why I said that Polish support for the EU is not unconditional.
Miloslaw 6 | 1,071    
3 Feb 2019  #60
Poles will remain in favour of The EU as long as they are net beneficiaries.
With Poland's phenomenal growth,it will not be long before they are net contributors.
I cannot see Poles being very happy about supporting Greek and Italian wasters...


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