Miloslaw 14 | 4,930 4 Feb 2019 #91The same way as you do.Most people tend to be careful with their money,Poles are just a bit more careful than most.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,444 4 Feb 2019 #92To be careful with the money doesn't exclude being generous with it.
johnny reb 40 | 8,628 4 Feb 2019 #93By then the pro-European youth will have taken powerWho will they have taken power from, the present German run E.U. ?,Poles are just a bit more careful than most.That's because they have had to work harder for it and have not had the luxuries of inheritances as the West E.U. has.Poland did not plunder the rest of the E.U. during and after the War to have such great wealth to leave their children.After the war Poland had nothing and had to work very hard to survive compared to the rest of the West.Maybe that is why the Polish people are so "thrifty" with their money compared to say a German like the Rothschild family for example who stole their wealth.The Rothschild family is a European family of German Jewish origin that established European banking and finance houses.Ask me again why Poland has a tad bit of animosity toward the Germans.
OP pawian 200 | 21,529 4 Feb 2019 #95this is probably just a sign of common ignorance.Oh, I see.you missed some more obvious:- ideological - some Germans are lefties/proegssivies hence they view the Polish peopleYes, a good point, only some Germans are leftists. CDU CSU still gather majority of votes and that new right wing AFD is getting stronger too. Probably the German media are more leftist than Germans themselves.So, I wouldn`t attach so much importance to this ideology when discussing dislikes.Then, ask me if I give a damn if Germans like Poland.You have the right not to give a damn about it.But, do you suggest you also have the right to impose your point of view on others who are interested in the issue?
Lyzko 37 | 8,709 4 Feb 2019 #96My experience with younger Germans especially, those between 20-40 or thereabouts, is that they are perfectly open minded about Poles and Poland!I'm pleased to say, a number whom I know, are even learning a bit of the language to prepare for their trip:-)Oh sure, they realize most Poles will try to speak English, some a bit of schoolbook German, to be hospitable, but they feel that learning some Polish willonly make their holidays more pleasant, not to mention, much more fun.As most have said on this site already, and it's really true as well, it depends on the generation of Germans, that's about it.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,930 4 Feb 2019 #97That's because they have had to work harder for it and have not had the luxuries of inheritances as the West E.U. hasExactly!
OP pawian 200 | 21,529 4 Feb 2019 #98younger Germans especially, those between 20-40 or thereabouts, is that they are perfectly open minded about Poles and Poland!I see, a Polish attitude generation gap, sort of.
Lyzko 37 | 8,709 4 Feb 2019 #99Totally, pawian.A lady friend of my wife and mine from Hamburg just returned from Krakow and of course was full of her trip. She confessed that her Polish hosts bent over backwards to speak to her only in English, inviting her to dinner and explaining the menu selections and so forth. Yet, upon he arrival, a few words in Polish, and some local knowledge brought tears to her host family's faces and she ended up having a great time. Had she only spoken English, she confessed (they spoke no German, only English and some Russian), she wouldn't have had half the experience she did:-)
OP pawian 200 | 21,529 6 Feb 2019 #100and she ended up having a great time.Did they drink Polish vodka? It always works wonders in bringing people closer together.Well, once I had an opportunity to share a few drinks (not vodka but beer in a pub) with some German teachers who came here with exchange students. Indeed, they didn`t give the impression of having a dislike bias against Poland from the start. Although after some time, they admitted to having expected much worse situation as far as living standard was concerned, e..g, horse carts in streets and other signs of acute poverty. They saw it wasn`t so bad after all.
Miloslaw 14 | 4,930 6 Feb 2019 #102I'm not a great fan of spirits,but at last I have found one thing at least that you and I agree on.... :-)
OP pawian 200 | 21,529 6 Feb 2019 #103Dear guys,Thanks for participating. I have learnt a lot from your posts. Now I see the title of the thread was wrong, not "are disliked" but "may be disliked" would be better. It seems Germans are not prejudiced to dislike Poland in general, just because. If they dislike anything here, they are particular things like PiS government etc.How about meeting again in a similar thread like this?. I thought of discussing Poland`s other neighbours. Germany was first, shall we go clockwise or counterclws.?If you feel like, you can start such a thread, why not. But mind one thing - don`t forget to offer all reasons in the first post. If you add sth later on, like me, it might be easily overlooked among a series of reply posts.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,138 6 Feb 2019 #104but "may be disliked" would be better.How about a summary why the Poles "may be disliked" by the Germans. Six points would do for me.
OP pawian 200 | 21,529 6 Feb 2019 #105Sorry, too late, This topic is closed for me, unless you want to offer some new insight but you don`t so I suggest we meet in another thread of the series. See you there, we are counting on you.Must go, tomorrow I am running 13 classes.Good night.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,138 6 Feb 2019 #106OK, so you are busy. Anyone else to eliminate the pain of reading 100+ posts?
Vlad1234 18 | 1,058 7 Feb 2019 #107I don't exactly know what Germans dislike in Poles, but I inclined to think that both types of these nations belong to the category of "negativistic people". It doesn't mean that they are negative in moral sense of this word, of course, but means they are rather pessimistic, tend to remember evil for a quite a while, tend to concentrate on something negative and infect others with bed mood and bed aura. Fortunately not all of them, of course.
Dirk diggler 10 | 4,846 7 Feb 2019 #109. If they dislike anything here, they are particularAfter all that you come up with the ridiculous conclusion that Germans don't like Poland/poles bc of Pis..... Yup all Germans dislike Pis but everything else they love about poles and Poland. Just the conservative government irks them...SMH....Well maybe you're right now that Germanistan has been thoroughly cucked and invaded they see Poland as an ideological opponent.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,138 7 Feb 2019 #110After all that you come up with the ridiculous conclusion that Germans don't like Poland/polesAs I posted before, it's like asking a rapist if he likes the victim. Somebody here is sick.
Lyzko 37 | 8,709 7 Feb 2019 #111Nadia's late twenty-something and ADORES any type of alcohol, so yes, pawian, I'm sure she heartily enjoyed the vodka, zubrowka, what ever they offered her:-)
OP pawian 200 | 21,529 10 Feb 2019 #112If anyone has doubts about Polish German good relations today, try to improve your knowledge of history of Poland. Paradoxically, it was Poles who first extended a hand of friendship to Germans. It happened as early as in 1965 and is considered as a crucial starting act of Polish German reconciliation.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_of_Reconciliation_of_the_Polish_Bishops_to_the_German_Bishops
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,138 10 Feb 2019 #113Poles who first extended a hand of friendship to Germans.A victim forgiving the criminal is normal and noble. Asking if the criminal likes his victim is sick. The criminal can only do one thing: ask for forgiveness.
Weimarer 7 | 414 10 Feb 2019 #114I dont ask for forgiveness. I´m a young man and have nothing to do with WW II. My parents also have nothing to do with WW II and my grandparents were small children back then.You either like us or dont. In the end it makes no difference. Just dont rub your complex as eternal victim under our noses. It starts to get boring and really nobody cares anymore.As for our feelings towards polish people. Its different. Most here dont care and many Germans never visited Poland. I was never there either.Most elder people have a very low opinion about Poland. Young generations like myself are neutral.
Crow 160 | 10,257 10 Feb 2019 #115Complexes. Germans are Serbs who were germanized by Romans and by evil father and even more evil mother of who knows whom, while Poles are Serbs who Polonized themselves. Now, Polish experiment was better. At least Poles don`t hate what they were, while Germans hate what they were and with every new day wants to be even more black.
Weimarer 7 | 414 10 Feb 2019 #116Bullshit, we germans are germans. Different language and heritage completly. Im from Thüringen, romans never made it here.Beside that im damn proud to be German and im glad to be German.Serbia btw has more blacks than eastern Germany, so dont say such rubbish.
OP pawian 200 | 21,529 10 Feb 2019 #117Most elder people have a very low opinion about Poland. Young generations like myself are neutral.The same here, of course in opposite direction.So far, so good.
Weimarer 7 | 414 10 Feb 2019 #118We dont have many poles here. When i went school, we had a family in our town with family name Dudek or like that. I assume they were from polish ancestry but spoke fluent German. Just their family name was not german. I know my grandparents did not allow me and my brothers to play wizh them, since that would ruin our renomee in our village.But beside that, when we encountered their kids out in the forest we did play soccer and so on.
Lyzko 37 | 8,709 10 Feb 2019 #119Poles are generally more numerous in cities such as the capital, less so in Erfurt, this is true.
Trump4Eva 8 Feb 2020 #120Does anyone have any insight as to why the OP started this anti-Polish thread about how Poles need to please Germans? :)