Why are Poles/Poland disliked by Germans?

Your own words, @BratwurstBoy. It would be rude of me to disagree with you. Especially when there's an occasion to agree


My main question here is: more of an useful idiot or a guy with an agenda?

How about a useful idiot with an agenda.
Thanks for joining this sick thread.

Please, relax. The thread is about reasons why Germans might not like Poles. It is not a thread denying the martyrology of the noble Polish nation. Nobody suggested it here. As simple as that.

Try to win the debate, but first of all you should stick to its subject matter.

The problem as I see it is that the Germans here at PF actually like Poles...me, Tacitus...Intermarium even thinks about relocating to Poland...

So it comes down to Poles (often not even from Poland at all) confirming each other about how much they dislike the Germans right back!

That leads to nowhere, I fear....

I like Germans, like plenty of other Poles I know, many where I live have German partners, live in Germany and vice versa, maybe its old folk (that drive BMW's and Mercedes lol) who just cant get over ze war, the kids seem to be fine.

Oh sorry to add I don't like some German politicians, but that's the same for some or allot of Polish and Brit politicians

Here ditto! :)

If I meant that, I would write uncleanly or similar. By messy I meant disorganised in doing things in life.


Call it as you want, if orders come from law they pass in Germany, then it is law -abiding.


They don`t have to be trying, it comes so natural, doesn`t it? You`d better think and do sth so that Poland reaches a similar status as Germany in Europe. But no, you won`t because all you can do is whine about wronged Poles.

Would you like me to ask why BTK's daughter might not like the survivors of his victims?

Reciprocate in the future, not now.

Yes, that is my impression, too. There are Germans liking Poles and the other way round, too. But other Germans don`t share your positive attitude and I wanted to make sure if my suppositions about their dislike were correct.

PS. How about The Other who used to employ a strong antiPolish pro German rhetoric a few years ago when I exchanged opinions with him/her .

Is there any common thread with that type of person older generation? West germans?, I mention West Germans because I used to have business dealings a few of them, and they would always be derogatory about East Germans, I don't have a clue why!!

You still don`t understand, To debate the problem you are putting forward, we would have to first start a thread entitled: Should we or not discuss such topics as why Germans dislike Poles?

To save time and energy, I, as the OP of this thread, decided to skip that Should discussion and get straight to business. So, I am reminding you again, the title of this thread is what it is and try to stick to it. If you can`t, why are you here? Start your own Should thread and use your energy there, I don`t mind.

Simple, love it or leave it.
Sorry but in terms of logical discourse, you are losing, I am sure you feel it, that is why you are so aggressive, with that name calling etc earlier on. You do`nt care about any victims, you just object for the mere joy of it. Are you strong enough to admit it? Not even in public, but to yourself.

That's what I'm proposing here on PolishForums. Read more closely my posts, Pawian.


Young generation of Poles has mostly right-wing and centre right-wing political views

66% of 15 to 24 year olds declares themselves right-wing supporters.

44% declares themselves centre-right
22% regular right-wing

geekweek.pl/news/2017-03-24/mlode-pokolenie-polakow-to-prawicowi-patrioci_1661227/

The question you asked is as immoral as asking if the Katyn killers' kids like or dislike Poland. I, personally, don't give a flying f*** in both cases - yours and mine about Katyn.

I don't see what bearing that has on their intersocial / working relationship with young Germans, I understand that politics may be a different thing.

I don't see eye to eye with German politics but I was more than happy to celebrate new year in Germany with Germans.

The same reason why these people would make derogatory comments about Poles....plain ignorance. *shrugs*

Most of them never put a foot either into Ossi-land nor Poland...which leads me back to Tacitus' and mine main argument that this dislike stems from a lack of actual "knowing" besides hearing bad stuff about a PiS gov in Warsaw.

Germans like to travel around, but still mainly western and southern Europe. Abit more tourism eastwards would change things big in a good way...win-win situation.


I used Google to translate this page and it gave out such stuff like this:

...Interestingly, the majority of young people, despite their right-wing outlook, do not support the ruling party, or PiS. This should not come as a surprise, because this party has little to do with the pure right. Therefore, the young would be happy to support the Kukiz'15 group, as many as 27 percent of them, and 19 percent of Janusz Korwin-Mikke's party - Freedom.

That goes against all known surveys and Polls I know off. Korwin-Mikke is an absolute fringe outsider, even between polish nationalists. And what is "pure right"?

That reminds me more about another survey you posted a few days back...that 90% Poles are anti-EU or something like that. Also made by a Korwin-Mikke friendly party...

Frankly, I doubt that!

But I have to agree that it is the likes of Korwin-Mikke who make not only Germans shake their heads about Poland (if that is all they learn about the country and its people).

Korwin-Mikke and his statements like:



I frankly doubt that 66% of the young Poles would support THAT!

Źródło: Instytut Spraw Publicznych/Gazeta Wyborcza

Wrong again @BratwurstBoy

Wrong? ...Even you know that a huge majority of the Poles is pro-EU. These polls even make the international headlines, your "polls" don't. Doesn't it make you wonder?

For your links I have to use Google translate and there isn't even a background to these "polls"...

And then there are real polls and surveys:


independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-eu-membership-support-for-membership-courts-rule-of-law-mateusz-morawiecki-juncker-a8149876.html


politico.eu/article/germany-poland-no-longer-seen-as-threat-poll/


I would like to know, what do you think about Korwin-Mikke and his statements?

Hit Nail on Head, it was only until I started to travel and live in other countries that I learned that the human one to one level was soo different to tv, politics, propaganda and geo politics, and that sort of stuff is not the normal fodder of day to day living,working and personal relationships between peoples of different nationalities or cultures, (apart from one).

*nods*

Western Europe has had decades more time get on an equal footing. I'm looking at the relationship between another set of once-arch enemies, France and Germany. Decades of sending schoolkids back and forth put an end to that. Tourism, university-exchanges etc...that all did their job.

Today it is nigh unthinkable for modern Frenchies and Germans to go back to the old hate...maybe in a few decades in the future it will be the same between Germany and Poland.

It's easier to hate an unknown country than a real life person...

Not a huge majority, but yes, there's still a majority supporting our participation in the EU. It is supported mostly by middle-aged Poles. Yet it's not an unconditional support: add mandatory refugees quotas to this equation and most Poles wants to leave the EU.

The young generation, a future voters, are more EU-sceptical in all those aspects.

I don't think it will take that long, my opinion is that from the borderlands to Wroclaw (breslau for you) things are fine, plenty of Polish German interminglings, tourists etc etc. further east dunno you need to ask the Warsawa dwellers.

That is new to me....

And Spike reported in another thread about fat, sauerkraut smelling german tourists in Danzig...so, things are maybe indeed looking up? :)

Bring in a whole shed load of money into our fledgling agro tourism trade, no one here would spoil that, well lunatics might.

These type of polls are specific. They do not necessarily say that the remaining two-thirds dislike Polish people. Most likely they say that the remaining two-thirds are neutral or simply don't care.



Both seem to be personal opinions of Spike rather than views shared by the majority of Poles in Poland. One should also notice that 'sauerkraut' (kiszona kapusta) is very popular here in Poland, so chances of meeting sauerkraut smelling Polish tourists in Berlin or Hamburg are pretty high ...

IBRIS poll for "Polityka" weekly in 2017 has shown that over 51 % of Poles would rather leave the EU instead of taking in mandatory "refugee" quotas to Poland

wiadomosci.wp.pl/zaskakujace-wyniki-sondazu-polacy-wola-wyjsc-z-unii-niz-przyjac-uchodzcow-6140848547620481a

pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6QY6xXoAAb0rZ.jpg

Agreed that was a red line, but Angela gave in and backed off, I guess traded it so Poland gave in on commie, sorry court reform.

This is a poll in which a certain condition for leaving was put forward. If you asked about "leaving the EU rather than adopting the euro". you would get yet another result, possibly much less than 50%; if you asked about "leave the EU rather than giving Wrocław and Szczecin back to the Germans", you would get another result, possibly close to 100%.

So the poll was about testing the possible level of sacrifice on the part of Poles in taking mandatory quotas of 'refugees' rather than about the real issue of leaving the EU by Poland.

Yet, the time works to our advantage. The young generation of Poles is mostly EU-sceptical. They see clearly that the EU that Poland has joined in 2004 doesn't exist anymore and that decisions - which shapes it for worse - are being made over our heads.


That's why I said that Polish support for the EU is not unconditional.

Poles will remain in favour of The EU as long as they are net beneficiaries.
With Poland's phenomenal growth,it will not be long before they are net contributors.
I cannot see Poles being very happy about supporting Greek and Italian wasters...