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Khazar migrations to Eastern Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine


radical  - | 21
21 Nov 2012   #91
Can you show me some studies that European Jews are not Khazars.
I have read that a lot of Jews are not Khazars from other sites.
Nickidewbear  23 | 609
21 Nov 2012   #92
Khazaria.com has numerous articles and study citations, for example.
jon357  73 | 23158
21 Nov 2012   #93
I have read that a lot of Jews are not Khazars from other sites.

Google the latest results of DNA analysis.
yehudi  1 | 433
21 Nov 2012   #94
I have read that a lot of Jews are not Khazars from other sites.

It's true. I'm not a Khazar from other sites. And a lot of my friends aren't too.
OP genecps  7 | 131
25 Dec 2012   #95
Most Jews are not Khazars. Only about 5% of Jews have Khazar blood.
Nickidewbear  23 | 609
25 Dec 2012   #96
And we happen to be in that 5%--in our case, in the 52% of Ashkenazi Levites.

My DNA is Q1b1a.

That's called Southwestern Asian DNA, not Khazar DNA.
Kasandroid
15 Sep 2022   #97
Hello is Kaczor related to Khazar?
pawian  221 | 25410
15 Sep 2022   #98
The rumour goes that he is but it might be a false accusation by those antisemitic naziopolaken who see a Jew in most known Poles.
KevinBrook  - | 3
15 Dec 2022   #99
Q1b and R1a1 aren't the Khazar lineages in Ashkenazic Jews.

N9a3 is one that actually seems to be Khazar because the Ashkenazic branch is phylogenetically descended from the kind (N9a3a1b) that Turkic-speaking Bashkirs have, as I wrote on pages 85-86 in my book The Maternal Genetic Lineages of Ashkenazic Jews. Some Mongolic-speaking Daur people from northeastern China also belong to that Bashkir variety (GenBank sample ON127764 from the supplementary data set to "Genetic Diversity Analysis of the Chinese Daur Ethnic Group in Heilongjiang Province by Complete Mitochondrial Genome Sequencing"). It won't be surprising if a N9a3 carrier eventually turns up in a medieval Khazar gravesite.

There were four sources for red hair in Ashkenazim, from four different gene variants. The red hair allele for rs201326893 existed among Tsarfati Jews in Norwich, England in the 12th century as well as Rhineland-descended Jews in Erfurt, Germany in the 14th century so that variant wasn't brought to Jews by the Khazars. Red hair in Jews probably came from northwestern Europe and the Levant.

The surname Kaczor is Polish for a male duck. It has no connection to the Khazar people.
Geoffrey Sea
12 Aug 2023   #100
It's now 2023. Allow me to clear up numerous confusions on this thread.

By "q1b" I assume that the OP meant Y-haplogroup Q-Y2200, a major Jewish haplogroup in eastern Europe. This did not come from Khazars, however it is also not from Judean origin (meaning Judea). Q originated in Central Asia and the Q-Y2200 branch came through the northern Fertile Crescent into Phoenicians, who played a role in founding the Jewish community of Crimea. It clearly came into Jews from Crimea, which, though under Khazar control for a time, was not "Khazar" in an ethnic sense. It came from Crimean Jews with Phoenician ancestry, put simply. Moving from Ukraine to Poland and Belarus was not challenging.

That settled, there is no reason for all of the polemical angst about Khazars. Yes there were Khazars. Yes they converted to Judaism circa 730 CE. Yes the Turkic Khazars mixed with other Jews, including the Jews of Crimea, and why should they not have? They were all Jews. Eastern European Jews had MORE ancestry from Judea than Jews from Germany and Italy. Percentage of ancestry should never be an issue.

Some haplogroups in eastern European Jews did come from Turkic Khazars. These are most found in Jews from Transcarpathian Hungary, which was split up and parts became Slovakia, Ukraine, and Romania. I know because I carry one of these mtDNA haplogroups called A-a1b3 from my Hungarian Jewish maternal line. My haplogroup has also been found in the Qabar Hungarian Conquerors of the 9th century, who were Jewish, providing a direct lineage to me. No mystery. Since A-a1b3 was not named and understood until 2018, earlier studies could not possibly have known of it. Early studies that claimed no Khazar DNA in Jews are therefore rendered moot. People should stop citing those invalidated opinions.

There are other haplogroups that also moved from Khazars into Jews. Big deal. Every single "Jewish" haplogroup had an "origin" in some non-Jewish population. That's how history works.
Alien  24 | 5769
12 Aug 2023   #101
Yes they converted to Judaism circa 730 CE.

So they weren't flesh and blood Jews after all. 🤔
Ironside  50 | 12387
12 Aug 2023   #102
Cool. All that stuff. I guess it is really important for Jews or Isreal. Haplogroup, DNA, jewish element in a blood. hmm...
jon357  73 | 23158
12 Aug 2023   #103
So they weren't flesh and blood

AD730 is long enough for anything to be real and if a 'lack of 'flesh and blood' links troubles you, reflect that in the 1300 years since then, there have been thousands (millions even) of marriages with people from the rest of the community, so yes, their descendants are certainly 'flesh and blood'.

People should stop citing those invalidated opinions.

Indeed, however racists will be racists.
amiga500  5 | 1503
12 Aug 2023   #104
AD730 is long enough for anything to be real

Yep, and Poland should use the same genetic testing if we're going to bring back our bretheren from Siberia and Kazakhstan and treat them as our own. (long overdue.) Give them benefits of being part of the mother country that the germans have done for decades.

As a sidenote i'm not particularly a fan of genetic testing but in Australia we've had an influx of fake Aborigines, claiming what's not their birth right, especially in academia.

I want every descendant of every Pole that was put in a cattle car by stalin and shipped to Siberia and Kazakhstan to have the opportunity to return to Poland, and to have government support to learn Polish and start a family and business etc.
Ironside  50 | 12387
12 Aug 2023   #105
we've had an influx of fake Aborigines,

Cool :D:
If you give out money for free all sorts will gather, the same with Karta Polaka, IF someone wanted to use his Polish connection to move to Poland, could have without any free stuff, those who are using that opportunity now are all sorts, I guess most doesn't give a damn about being Polish or not,
jon357  73 | 23158
12 Aug 2023   #106
bring back our bretheren from Siberia and Kazakhstan

This one's been going on for a while. Some people have returned however most of that generation have died now and their kids/grandkids/great grandkids don't necessarily identify as Polish (and are often mostly not by blood now and certainly not by language or identity).

Those who wanted to return should have been helped in this, however there can't now be many still alive,


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