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Poland's January Uprisings of 1863



Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
13 Apr 2007  #1

January uprisings of 1863 , one of my possible family members sent to siberia
and I would like to know what or where I would find information on Siberia about
the polish citizens who were sent there.

I think I have to say now, that long before Germany had a hold on Poland, Russia
was doing some of their own dirty work, which I didnt have a clear understanding
about. Reading the names of those who were exiled it has enlighted my thoughts
on agreeing with those who say Russia should owe up!!

let me also refrase this as well, I believe like others who have mentioned this before
that Russia's Govt should Apologize and do something to show they are the good
nation now after all the crap they put poland thru as well as Germany, what would
it hurt to become closer to a nation they had taken so much from?

as if this thread will get a response, because it doesnt have anything to do with
just talking, but these people were shipped to SIBERIA!! more then 17,000
actually Whole towns of people!!

:) :)


hello 22 | 891    
14 Apr 2007  #2

"Big boys" like Russia or USA don't apologize. They don't have to. It's ignorant on their part though.
Shawn_H    
14 Apr 2007  #3

Russia's Govt should Apologize and do something to show they are the good
nation now

I am not really convinced that the government of Russia is as good they would have you believe. If they are assassinating their own journalists today, why would they go out of their way to apologize to the Polish people. I agree that the treatment of people over a century ago was a shame, and repeated again throughout history. Russia has no reason to apologize today.
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #4

"Big boys" like Russia or USA don't apologize.

How do u figure USA dont?

just some examples..

government of Russia is as good

Well, what I meant to say, was by oweing up, making all good, they do owe Poland
something. but i guess its easy to forget. and, hey, BTW hello, USA doesnt
take over and keep the land. Russia and Germany Wiped Poland off the map for
a while. dont see the USA doing that now do ya?
hello 22 | 891    
14 Apr 2007  #5

just some examples..

Iraq, Afganistan, Cuba. I mean civilian people, not the military regimes of these countries.
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #6

Yes during war, there is casulties, what about 911? or that dont count?

we didnt come there first, remember that, we were at home, they opened up
on us.

we dont go without good reasons, and we dont shove people in cattle cars
tell them they are going to siberia to be re-educated on communism and
starve them to death while making them work till their death in sub zero
weather now do we????

your argument has no weight.. get back to topic.
witek 1 | 588    
14 Apr 2007  #7

i think everyone lost family members in the numerous Polish uprisings :(

the question remains is were they really worth the blood shed?

Anti Russian uprisings
Confederation of Bar 1768
Kościuszko Uprising 1794
November Uprising 1830-1831
January Uprising 1863-1864
1905 Uprising 1905

Anti Austrian uprisings
Kraków Uprising 1846
Galician Uprising 1846-1848

Greater Poland Uprisings (against Prussians/Germans)
Greater Poland Uprising 1794 - to help the Kościuszko Uprising
Greater Poland Uprising 1806 - to help Napoleon I to liberate Poland and create the Duchy of Warsaw
Greater Poland Uprising 1846 - part of the all-Polish 3-partion uprising
Greater Poland Uprising 1848 - part of the Spring of Nations
Greater Poland Uprising (1918-1919) - Poland regains independence after the World War I

The Silesian Uprisings 1919-1921 against Germany
First Silesian Uprising: 16 August-26 August 1919
Second Silesian Uprising: 19 August-25 August 1920
Third Silesian Uprising: 2 May-5 July 1921

Against Lithuania
Sejny Uprising - August 22-29, 1919, against Lithuania

Polish uprisings during the WW2 era: (against Germans)
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (the largest of Ghetto Uprisings in Poland) 1943
Operation Tempest, all-national uprising against Germany on the approach of the Soviet army
Warsaw Uprising 1944
Wilno Uprising (Operation Ostra Brama) 1944
Lwów Uprising 1944
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #8

the question remains is were they really worth the blood shed?

Witek!!

I am surprised at you!

for freedom, how can you say they werent worth it. so let them do what they
want to a nation of people?

just imagine it being you, who is herded on to a train sent to siberia .

just because you believed in something.
witek 1 | 588    
14 Apr 2007  #9

Patrycja ,

for example what did the Warsaw uprising accomplish? nothing

The Polish troops resisted the German-led forces until October 2 (63 days in total). Losses on the Polish side amounted to 18,000 soldiers killed, 25,000 wounded and over 250,000 civilians killed, mostly in mass executions conducted by advancing German troops. Casualties on the German side amounted to over 17,000 soldiers killed and 9,000 wounded. During the urban combat—and after the end of hostilities, when German forces acting on Hitler's orders burned the city systematically, block after block—an estimated 85% of the city was destroyed.



witek 1 | 588    
14 Apr 2007  #10

it was not worth it



ppl    
14 Apr 2007  #12

.wirtualnemuzeum.1944.pierwszedni/index1.
witek 1 | 588    
14 Apr 2007  #13

Grzegorz,

why don't you agree? :) think :(

what did the Warsaw Uprising accomplish?
1. 250,000 Polish people died
2. 90% of Warsaw is destroyed on orders from Hitler
3. many from AK perished



daffy 23 | 1,508    
14 Apr 2007  #14

better to die free than live a slave perhaps?

i prefere sun tzu, live to fight another day - fight the battles you know you can win.

wiser.

but i appreciate the first sentiment
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #15

why don't you agree? think

do you think that nothing would have happened to these people anyway under hitlers
orders? he was killing people anyway! starving them, enslaving.. not worth it my
arse!!

Who has any rights to take away freedom?

1. 250,000 Polish people died
2. 90% of Warsaw is destroyed on orders from Hitler
3. many from AK perished

Witek, Before any uprisings hitler was killing, I would go down fighting. as many did
you dont sound so proud of your country for doing this. I am so disappointed.

What, no more responses to something that involves history of Poland?
daffy 23 | 1,508    
14 Apr 2007  #16

i made my response already
Grzegorz_ 52 | 6,190    
14 Apr 2007  #17

what did the Warsaw Uprising accomplish?
1. 250,000 Polish people died
2. 90% of Warsaw is destroyed on orders from Hitler
3. many from AK perished

At least we're not pussies :)
daffy 23 | 1,508    
14 Apr 2007  #18

Quoting: witek
what did the Warsaw Uprising accomplish?
1. 250,000 Polish people died
2. 90% of Warsaw is destroyed on orders from Hitler
3. many from AK perished

At least we're not pussies

are you saying you'd rather rush into a fight and lose and be happy your not a puss
than plan, prepare, execute a proper rebellion?

Ah i dont think thats true. Im sure you'd want the best plan of rebellion possible for freedom of poland in them days :)
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #19

are you saying you'd rather rush into a fight and lose and be happy your not a puss
than plan, prepare, execute a proper rebellion?

I think they did plan, but they were outnumbered.
daffy 23 | 1,508    
14 Apr 2007  #20

I think they did plan,

so would i :)

but they were outnumbered.

the irish rebels were outnumbered by the British. They won. Im not rubbing it in your face. Just saying being outnumbered is not the excuse.

It can be plans they made were not as good, or the enemy had better plans etc. Being outnumbered is not the hinge the door swings on (if you get me there)
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #21

where I would find information on Siberia

Still hoping someone can tell me a link on those Prisoners who were exiled
I would think theres a site on this.
daffy 23 | 1,508    
14 Apr 2007  #22

freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~koby/political/chapter_19/19_18 63up.html

dont know if this helps
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544    
14 Apr 2007  #23

the irish rebels were outnumbered by the British. They won. Im not rubbing it in your face. Just saying being outnumbered is not the excuse.

But it's always a serious disadvantage. :)
daffy 23 | 1,508    
14 Apr 2007  #24

oh but of course :) im not saying that - im saying its not reason to claim defeat only
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #25

ok so they take these prisoners away to Siberia, do some of them make it back
to poland is my question?

I know in some circumstances during WWII that they did , but going further back
to the uprisings of January 22nd 1863.

This type of history, we dont have/learn about here. But I think with each country,
they try to focus on history within that country, there is so much to learn from every
different country.
ArturSzastak 3 | 593    
14 Apr 2007  #26

Russia's Govt should Apologize and do something to show they are the good
nation now after all the crap they put poland thru as well as Germany,

I believe Germany apologized for almost everything.............:)
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #27

I know germany did, I was saying as well as they did. but Russia seems to be
immune to any wrong.
ArturSzastak 3 | 593    
14 Apr 2007  #28

Well you have to think about this......war changes people. They get angrier, and take out their anger in ways that would make even Satan cry. We can't really hold today's governments accountable for past actions. Today's average Russian was not alive to commit attrocities in Poland, or vice versa. People should learn to forgive, have a big BBQ of kielbasa, and drink some vodka :)
daffy 23 | 1,508    
14 Apr 2007  #29

I believe Germany apologized for almost everything.............

they hadnt any choice - thats how it is, america and russia are not overrun by opposing forces and feel they can get away without apologising...when they should (as germany should have and did, but i think the apology was sincere for the most part - as the americans and russian people who would LOVE there leaders to apologize!!

I know alot of americans who are ashamed of G W Bush for eg
OP Patrycja19 63 | 2,703    
14 Apr 2007  #30

Well you have to think about this......war changes people. They get angrier, and take out their anger in ways that would make even Satan cry. We can't really hold today's governments accountable for past actions. Today's average Russian was not alive to commit attrocities in Poland, or vice versa. People should learn to forgive, have a big BBQ of kielbasa, and drink some vodka

oh yes alot of them still are around, they are very old, but they remember.

just as do the older ones in Poland. something they cant forget till they die.




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