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POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country?


El Gato 4 | 351
24 Nov 2007 #121
So you think that all the Poles look like the 2 you have seen one day ?? It's totally wrong. Have you ever been to Poland ? I don't think so. I go to Poland every year, and sometimes you can't tell if this guy is Polish or German for example. When you don't know what you're talking about, please sh*t up.
+ you seem a bit racist.

I'm sorry for the few idots we have around here. They think we're all going to take the things they say to heart and cry about it. They don't seem to realize that by belittling others over the internet they are actually making themselves look stupid, because they have nothing better to do than google a forum and talk $hit about other people. It's sad really....
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
24 Nov 2007 #122
Maybe. Tell me what are the physical differences for example ?

lol - google it... look at hair, hight, skin pigmentation... work your way from south to start with, the differences ar more noticable
El Gato 4 | 351
24 Nov 2007 #123
you might not be able to for whatever reason (you probably havent travelled sufficiently) but these nationalities are pretty easy to diferentiate

I meant the average Pole. Most Poles look like any German or Englishman.

I'm sure a Pole can pick out another Pole in a heartbeat, but that's because they know what to look for. Just like a German can find another German rather easily. My mother can guess which actors in an American movie are Polish by looking at their eyes or jaw. 99% of the time she is right too.

I do see what you're trying to get across though.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
24 Nov 2007 #124
Most Poles look like any German or Englishman.

to the untrained eye quite probably

My mother can guess which actors in an American movie are Polish by looking at their eyes or jaw. 99% of the time she is right too

there you go - many nationalities stand out like sore thumbs to people who are used to seeing them

I do see what you're trying to get across though

im just stating the obvious for people who have spent amounts of time in different countries




im in the states atm, a country know as a melting pot of many different nationalities - its quite fun meeting people, americans, and trying to guess what their nationality origins are... most ive asked have been more than happy to tell me
OP Polson 5 | 1,771
24 Nov 2007 #125
look at hair, hight, skin pigmentation... work your way from south to start with, the differences ar more noticable

Yes, i know there are differences between Meditteranean people and Icelanders for example. Hair and skin color, height, etc.
Do you want me to study the Darwin theory ;) LoL
El Gato 4 | 351
24 Nov 2007 #126
to the untrained eye quite probably

Yes, but not everyone studies different people like you. So I would have to say "The average person cannot distinguish the difference between the average Pole and the average German or average Frenchman."

That make it better?

:]
polishgirltx
24 Nov 2007 #127
many nationalities stand out

In the US, people can say that I am from Europe, buy they have trouble to say from which country...It's usually said from Germany or Russia...
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
24 Nov 2007 #128
i know there are differences between Meditteranean people

but can you see differences between italian and spanish...?

studying darwinism isnt needed - just look at those around you and notice similarities

in your profile photo you look as tho you have blonde hair (black n white photo so hard to tell) - this isnt a hair colour i would automatically ascociate with france

Yes, but not everyone studies different people like you

lol - never thougt of it like that but im definatley a people watcher

"The average person cannot distinguish the difference between the average Pole and the average German or average Frenchman."

yeah - true - the averae person doesnt spend considerable time abroad - some never even move out of their city other than a couple of weeks holiday a year
osiol 55 | 3,922
24 Nov 2007 #129
In the US, people can say that I am from Europe, buy they have trouble to say from which country...It's usually said from Germany or Russia

You can invent new countries that don't really exist, then tell them that's where you're from.

Some Poles do stand out as Poles before they even say anything, but mistakes can easily be made.
OP Polson 5 | 1,771
24 Nov 2007 #130
but can you see differences between italian and spanish...?

Everyone is different, i think it would be hard to tell...some are easy to differentiate, and some others are more difficult.

in your profile photo you look as tho you have blonde hair (black n white photo so hard to tell) - this isnt a hair colour i would automatically ascociate with france

Hehe ;) True i'm blond. So what country (countries) would you associate blond hair ? (i may know what you are going to answer...)
There are some blond people in France, but not many, i must say.
By the way, 1 French out of 3 have origins from another country...

:)
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
24 Nov 2007 #131
Everyone is different, i think it would be hard to tell...

lol - and everyone is equal but some of us are more equal than others ;-)

the more northern european countries are the ones i associate with blond hair and hair gets darker as you go south - what your origins are i wouldnt like to guess from a small black n white photo...

my hair is dark - its not black but its a lot darker than the average pole, my complexion is also quite dark, in poland i have been told i look like a gypsy

its not just physical features that set nationalities apart - the way they dress and conduct themselves also set them apart. you live in paris many of whose occupants are known for their style and presentation - have you not been in the city centre when its flooded with tourists mid summer and looked at people immediatly knowing they are not from france...?
OP Polson 5 | 1,771
24 Nov 2007 #132
lol - and everyone is equal but some of us are more equal than others ;-)

Haha ;)

what your origins are i wouldnt like to guess from a small black n white photo...

LoL, some friends say i am a Viking ;) But they are quite ignorant...i'm blond with green/blue/grey eyes (i know it's "special"), etc, those few criteria make them think i'm a Viking (the Vikings were not a people, they were sailors, conquerors, warriors, merchants, etc. LoL)

its not just physical features that set nationalities apart - the way they dress and conduct themselves also set them apart

So, the culture shows the difference, right ? ;) Cause Poles born abroad are quite similar to the "natives" ;)

have you not been in the city centre when its flooded with tourists mid summer and looked at people immediatly knowing they are not from france...?

Their language...English, Spanish, German, Polish, Italian, etc. LoL
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510
24 Nov 2007 #133
i was thinking more along the ways they dress
OP Polson 5 | 1,771
24 Nov 2007 #134
Tourists are all the same...wearing sunglasses, hats, and taking pics...... :P
slo 1 | 52
29 Nov 2007 #135
Seems like Ukraine is only Eastern European country... feel alone :-)
miranda
29 Nov 2007 #136
Seems like Ukraine is only Eastern European country

do not despair slo - Ukraine is a lovely country nevertheless:)
Shawn_H
29 Nov 2007 #137
In reviewing the articles under Polski Radio's Europe East, they seem to have only story's from the Ukraine, not including Poland in the East.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
28 Dec 2007 #138
Poland is a central European country I'd say. Belarus is an Eastern European country I think. I'd say Prague is at the heart of Europe geographically and it's not so far from where I am here in Silesia
noimmigration
29 Dec 2007 #139
poland is eastern european in terms of culture, ideology and history. there is an obvious culture , economic and historical divide between east and west. Not between east, west and central.

germany is a central european country but when we speak of germany we speak of it as a western european country and when we talk of poland we talk of eastenr europe.

that is how europea see poland fullstop. GET OVER IT
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 Dec 2007 #140
poland is eastern european in terms of culture, ideology and history.

You obviously have no idea about the culture, ideology or the history of Eastern Europe.
noimmigration
29 Dec 2007 #141
Poland shares slavic language, culture and was ruled by eastern european entities historicaly.
I have been to warsaw and krakow as I explained before and it is closer culturally and linguistically to crotia, ukraine etc. than to france or britain

correct me if I am wrong.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 Dec 2007 #142
Poland shares slavic language, culture and was ruled by eastern european entities historicaly.

"entities"?
If by that you mean individuals the Poland was also ruled by western entities, oh, and a northern one too.
If, however, by the word "entities" you mean that Poland was occupied by other countries then a part of it it was also ruled at one time by a western and a central European entity. And come to think about it, India having been ruled by the Brits is a Western European country, right?

closer to crotia

Poland is as close to Croatia as it is to Greece or Italy. Actually, barring the language, I find more commonalities between Poles and Italians than with any of the former Yugoslavian countries.

correct me if I am wrong.

I just did.
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 Dec 2007 #143
Again, noimmigration has a good point, to a point. It depends what point in history he is referring to though. Ideologically, well, more closely allied with Central Europe now but 3.5 years in the EU doesn't push away about 40 years of communism and a long legacy/aftermath. Culturally, well, name me what cultures u had in mind noimmigration and we'll test them out
noimmigration
29 Dec 2007 #144
hang on a minute do you poles consider yourselfs western european culturally, historically and linguistically such as france, britain, germany, denmark.

LMAO why are you ashamed to be eastern european

you are nothing like the british, german or french. we western europeans all share similer languages unlike the poles. we all share similer histories and culture.

you have nothing in common with us you have more in common with eastenr eurpeans.

you are only central europeans geogrphically but their is a divide between east and west. not a divide between east, west and central.

you are eastern european, all western europe knows this, all our media knows this and all of our textbooks in schools know this ADMIT IT

as seanus says you have been locked away in a communist cupboard for decades and before that you didnt have much influence in terms of culture in the west like germany or britian etc did.

I would say russia and its satellite countries had a much bigger cultural impact on poland than germany, britain or france ever did.

here the united nations defines eastern europe in pink. eastern europe is not a geographical term but a term used to describe countries influenced by the cold war both economically, militantly and culturaly

as I said before germany is central europe geographically, but it is western europe as defined by the united nationas not to mentin linguistically and culturally.

the united nations, nato etc defines poland as eastern europe no matter how much yu deny it.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 Dec 2007 #145
Ideologically, well, more closely allied with Central Europe now but 3.5 years in the EU doesn't push away about 40 years of communism and a long legacy/aftermath.

Ideaologically Poland was occupied by a communist country and the 40 years of the so called "communism in Pland" was 40 years of struggle against it.

do you poles consider yourselfs western european culturally

Yes.

historically

Partly

linguistically such as france, britain, germany, denmark.

Lingiustics has nothhing to do with it.

you are nothing like the british, german or french.

Thankfully, not.

we western europeans all share similer languages unlike the poles. we all share similer histories and culture.

Yea, I like especially the London falvor of flamenco, and the French version of stiff upper lip :)

all our media knows this and all of our textbooks in schools know this ADMIT IT

You're not trying to convince me you're familiar with textbooks, are you? Let alone ALL of them :)

locked away in a communist cupboard for decades and before that you didnt have much influence in terms of culture in the west like germany or britian etc did.

Again, you know squat about Poland's history. Too much to explain. Find some books on the subject. And please, for your own sake, avoid the ones translated from German in early 20th century.
noimmigration
29 Dec 2007 #146
you are pathetic, the united nations and nato class poland as EASTERN EUROPE wether you like it or not.
western europeans class you as eastern european wether you like it or not.
the western media and the whole world class you as eastern europea wether you like it or not.

No matter how much you argue or whine you are NOT western european. I dont know why you are so unwillinging to accept this.

did you not look at the map above of what countries are considered eastern european, why are you lying to yourself.
z_darius 14 | 3,968
29 Dec 2007 #147
No matter how much you argue or whine you are NOT western european. I dont know why you are so unwillinging to accept this.

I never said Poland is a Western European country so I have no clue why would you be arguing about that. It is a central European country. I don't know why you are unwilling to accept this.
noimmigration
29 Dec 2007 #148
germany is central european but classed by the un and nato as western europe, eastern europea is NOT a geographical term it is a cultural term defined as a satelite state of russia during the cold war.

wikipedia -

Eastern Europe is a concept of a geopolitical region recently influenced by the Cold War. Its borders are defined more by culture than by clear and precise geography. Throughout history and to a lesser extent today Eastern Europe has been distinguishable from Western Europe and other regions due to cultural, religious, economic, and historical reasons. Although the term Eastern Europe was largely defined of the Cold War, it still remains much in use.[1] The term is commonly used in the media and in everyday use both in "eastern" and other regions of Europe.

I am aware poland i geographically central eurpe, but you have to realize that politically, culturally, historically and linguistically it is eastern european
Seanus 15 | 19,706
29 Dec 2007 #149
To z-darius, OK, but then what was the ideology of the Polish people between 1946-1989? What ideology did the majority of Poles want to pursue post WWII? Many Poles grew to like communism
noimmigration
29 Dec 2007 #150
why ask that seanus, hell just try to convince you every polish man woman and child had ak47s and were part of an underground resistance movement that everday, shot stalins soldiers in time before breakfast


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