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POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country?


Ironside Activity: 41 / 7,546
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9 Nov 2015  #1,021

Thats true is very hard to generalise to al Poland, the eastern part is sure more "Russian"

Not really, Poland is a culturally western country with her own spin and branch of that culture/civilization. What dazzle many laymen talking about Poland are unique historical experiences and a fact that Poland didn't exist during 19th century which were formative century for new nations and old nation alike.

Belonging to a culture group or civilization do not require uniformity if anything right know so called western countries are diverging from their own roots by adopting a viral cultural heresy some people call neo-Marxism other progressiveness.

No melting pots between geographical directions.

Grzegorz_ Activity: 52 / 6,248
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9 Nov 2015  #1,022

the Polish language belongs to a different group to those of Western Europe, it's a Slavic language.

There's no western European group of languages. There are several groups like Germanic, Romance, Celtic etc. Just like not all of Eastern Europe is Slavic. East/West division is a cold war era thing, nothing else.
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9 Nov 2015  #1,023

@Grzegorz: you'll realize that all Germanic, Celtic, Romance (true word or rather "Latin"?)... languages are found only in the West. Rumanian although a latin language is in the East.

I'm not going to continue this splitting hair discussion. The Western and Eastern Europe division refers to capitalistic and former communist countries and that's why it's so largely used by whoever around prior to 1989 (I was an adult by then).
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9 Nov 2015  #1,024

No, I don't what he means.

In that case you must be as daft as a brush.........but I think you're just proving the pudding by telling little porkies in order to be awkward again.

I'm not going to continue this splitting hair discussion.

Exactly. Anything of any value has already been said here and now it will degenerate into a second rate ping-pong tournament of back and forth, same old, same old with a thousand permutations and combinations of the same thing being said over and over. Eventually after about a thousand posts it will peter out until some eejit starts a similar thread (without having checked the forum first). Then the mods will merge it into this one and the whole thing will start all over again. And the absolute worst part of that pattern is those who join a thread without reading anything that went before which is one of the reasons why we get people repeating stuff that's already been plucked, roasted and the meat picked off down to the bone.
Wulkan Activity: - / 2,933
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9 Nov 2015  #1,025

I'm not going to continue this splitting hair discussion.

We're all very calm here, it's you who is overreacting about people having different opinion to yours.

The Western and Eastern Europe division refers to capitalistic and former communist countries and that's why it's so largely used by whoever around prior to 1989 (I was an adult by then).

Thanks to the wonderful nature there will be less and less people who were adult in 1989, if they don't want to move on, let the ignorance die with them.
Ziemowit Activity: 7 / 2,166
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9 Nov 2015  #1,026

The Western and Eastern Europe division refers to capitalistic and former communist countries and that's why it's so largely used by whoever around prior to 1989

Indeed, 1989 is a distinct mark for it. But the division itself goes back much deeper into history, as far as to the Kingdom of the Franks as of the year 801-870. The eastern border of their empire was on the river Elbe. Much later on, historians, intellectuals and politicians still considered the river Elbe as the economic "border" between Western Europe and its eastern borderlands. Even Marion Hedda Ilse Gräfin von Dönhoff, the long-time editor of Die Zeit who died in Germany 2002 but was born in Friedrichstein, in today's Kaliningrad enclave of Russia, used to see this distinction very clearly in the 20th century. She used to say that as a former Prussian aristocrat she felt more at home in Poland than in West Germany at the time West Germany still existed.

Of course, the countries bordering the former Regnum Francorum to the east have been under the influence of the so-called West for many centuries and adopted many things from that "West", so the term Central Europe had been slowly coined to describe those lands between the western part of Germany and Russia. In literature you can easily find academic discussions dividing this Central Europe area even further, that is into the central-western and central-eastern Europe. So those claiming the division between the two "Europe's" had been achieved simply as a result of the Worl War II are wrong and should read more on the subject in history books.

Clearly, the divisions from before the WW II were not as distinct as they had become after this war with so-called Iron Curtain having been erected between East and West. As a result the areas of Central Europe and Eastern Europe have been somewhat "merged" under the auspices of the Soviet Union and this common area started to be known as the "Soviet block" or "Eastern Europe". With the fall of the USSR and the development of the European Union to the east, we can safely say we are back again to the reality of old divisions with Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary in Central Europe, bordering Eastern Europe consisting of Ukraine, Belorus and Russia (to the Ural mountains). And if East Germany was not re-unified with West Germany (we shall remember that it was not certain at the time, for example British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was very much against it), it would have also been considered another Central European country.
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9 Nov 2015  #1,027

Very interesting Ziemowit. Thank you very much.
TheOther Activity: 5 / 2,796
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9 Nov 2015  #1,028

But the division itself goes back much deeper into history,

Interesting interpretation. Wonder how Austria-Hungary or the German Empire defined themselves (if at all) - Central Europe, Eastern Europe, both? Most likely, nobody really cared.
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9 Nov 2015  #1,029

Astro-Hungary went right from modern-dat Ukraine, down to the bottom of the Balkans. There's the concept of Mitteleuropa, which you can feel in Wroclaw/Breslau, Lviv/Lemberg and Kraków/Krakau. And even more in Prague, Vienna and Györ.

When there was a bigger German-speaking population in Krakau and Lemberg and that language was used sometimes even by the non-German intelligentsia it must have been even more Mitteleuropa.

The Russian parts of Poland of course we're more firmly Eastern Europe.
Ironside Activity: 41 / 7,546
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9 Nov 2015  #1,030

In that case you must be as daft as a brush......

That's me to the T.

but I think you're just proving the pudding by telling little porkies in order to be awkward again.

When fools are posting follies why would I make it easier for them?

But the division itself goes back much deeper into history

What division? Differences between kingdoms of the Europe Christendom? Sure there were plenty, all of them absolutely irrelevant to the issue debated here.
Western civilization is an euphemism for Latin civilization or Christian civilization.
Christian civilization slits into two branches of the same tree - western and eastern.
Western part consists from France on its western geographical end to Poland on its eastern geographical end. From Britan to Hungary, from Portugal to Finland, from Norway to Croatia, those are boundaries of western/Christian civilization in Europe.

All that talk about eastern Europe is a direct result of the two events, disappearance of the Polish Commonwealth in this part of the world and closer to our times subjection of the area by the Soviet totalitarian regime. End off.
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10 Nov 2015  #1,031

That's me to the T.

Do I glimpse the ghost of a sense of humour?? Living in Ireland must have done that for you.
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10 Nov 2015  #1,032

you'll realize that all Germanic, Celtic, Romance (true word or rather "Latin"?)... languages are found only in the West.

Not really, Romanian is not in the West, just like "eastern Europe" is not all Slavic speaking, there are Baltic and Uralic languages, Albanian or Greek. A fact that Finland or Greece are regarded as "western Europe" while Poland, Hungary or Slovenia as "eastern Europe" shows that it's all about...

The Western and Eastern Europe division refers to capitalistic and former communist countries

...which 25 years later has not much to do with reality.
nickknock Activity: - / 18
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10 May 2016  #1,033

Its real easy, the geographic centre of Europe is just outside of Vilnius
Jardinero Activity: 1 / 382
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12 May 2016  #1,034

All depends who (and how) is measuring... there are at least several other so called 'Centres of Europe' - two of them in Poland....

Poland Europe centre




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