POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country?

No, actually I'm educating people about Eastern Europe, as it seems you guys just don't have a clue, and I know a thing or two :)

What's wrong, Westerners don't like to learn about other cultures?


Don't worry, sweetie, I'm not going to take away your precious West! :D


Did you know that the first man in space was sent not by Germans, not by French and not even by the British?? :D
He was sent by Russians! His name was Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin - I'm sure they teach you in the West such basic things :))))

but paulina if as you say Poland is in the 'west' why are you referring to 'westerners' as 'other'

I've never claimed Poland is in the West. What I'm writing all the time is that Poland is Central Europe.

As always taking the thread off topic with your elementary school knowledge.

geographically of course but politically there isn't really such a thing.
who berni????

Berni23, berni23, you still haven't answered my elementary question: which countries do you consider Eastern European? :)


What do you mean by that?

But that's the title of this thread.

Paulina ofc.


I have answered it several times, you are just to lazy to count them yourself.

Politically Poland is in the EU and NATO, geographically Poland is in Central Europe. Maybe in terms of mentality Poland is Eastern Europe?

I don't know, but I know this old joke in which two blokes boarded a train, one of them did so in Paris, the other did so in Moscow, and when they got off in Warsaw by mistake, they were both convinced they reached their respective destinations.

Liar, liar, as Harry would write :) Not even once have you answered my question. You've just posted some maps that were contradicting each other.

You're not able to name Eastern European countries. Or you don't wan't to name them - I wonder why? :)

I will happily name them after you give me an enumerated, color coded based on the number of letters and bolded starting with a consonant list of all countries in the world. Additinally i want you to sort them alphabetically reversed and after that switch every 3rd country with each other.

Those are the maps btw:

As I thought - you don't want to name them.


So, according to you Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, the Republic of Macedonia, Montenegro, Poland, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia and Ukraine are Eastern Europe, yes?

Then what about such countries like:
Hungary
Romania
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Albania

Are these countries: Central, Western or Eastern?

"You're not able to name the countries. Or you don't wan't to name them - I wonder why? :)"


Although you missed several countries, yes, as i said several times Slavs live predominantly in what is Eastern Europe today.


I fail to see what this has to do with categorizing Poland geographically based on ethnicity and language.

Terms "Western Europe", "Central Europe" and "Eastern Europe" are broader terms and aren't only based on geography, ethnicity and language.

If they were, country like Greece wouldn't be considered Western. Greek language belongs to Hellenic languages and Greece is in the South of Europe and it belongs to the Balkans together with Bulgaria, Albania, Serbia, Croatia, etc.

What the Finnish people with their Finnish language from Uralic language family have to do with Italians or the Portuguese? They're closer to Karelian people living in Russia than to them. But Finland, Italy and Portugal are considered Western, yes?

Even the Slavic nations, based on their ethnicity, language and culture can be divided into West Slavs, East Slavs and South Slavs. I didn't come up with this division, you know :) Professionalists did.

So, again, what about such countries like:
Hungary
Romania
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Albania

Are these countries: Central, Western or Eastern?
They have to be called somehow, they're not "Martian Europe" after all, right? :)

This is my quote from 7 pages ago that started your crusade to prove otherwise:


Since than you brought religion, art and even architecture to prove otherwise.
Now you are throwing Greeks, Finns and the poor Portuguese into your equation.
I have proven my point repeatedly, know that the majority of the scientific community would agree with that statement and am tired of you drifting off.

according to you only countries who speak slavic language are Eastern Europe? thats something new

Are you scientist yourself?

Im not even going to dignify that with an answer.
Wait, i just did, it was simply too tempting.

First of all, I was also discussing with jon357, not only with you, and so I "brought religion, alphabets and even architecture".
Secondly, there's no such thing like "Eastern Europe" in terms of ethnicity and language, just like there's no such thing like "Western Europe" in terms of ethnicity and language as I've just proven in my previous post.

Besides, if we would take your map into account we could still divide Europe into Central, Eastern and Southern:

Polish, Czech and Slovak languages are clearly Central.

And, look, Sweden and Finland are right above Poland! Aren't they Eastern by any chance, in terms of geography? lol

If you say so. Linguists might disagree with you though.


You did? Must have escaped me.


Resistance is futile.

I am done repeating myself(and this was not once or twice).
May the PF members make up their own mind.

I leave you with a map of the UN:

Nothing to do with my original statement.

Really?
I can repeat myself then, no problem :)
Simple question: are Finnish and Portuguese both Western languages?


Quote from: /wiki/Finns

Finnish belongs to the Uralic language family and is most closely related to Karelian and Estonian.
Portuguese is Iberian Romance language.
The Finnish and the Portuguese people even look different. In terms of looks probably Poles and Germans are more alike :)

So how would you call Finnish language? (the Uralic language family)
Estonian? (the Uralic language family)
Hungarian? (the Uralic language family)

Western? Eastern? Central?


Then why are you posting it?

Not to mention that Romanian is a romance language just like French and Italian.

Indeed: /wiki/Romanian_language

I see it's not only me who doesn't understand his basic concepts. First he shows some map of temperament-scale among European nations, which was supposedly to prove common culture among Eastern European nations, in the same time ignoring the fact that France, part of Spain and part of Italy were marked with the same colour as Poland.

Now he shows some maps which only illustrate what is the range of Slavic language groups, then he tell us to compare it with some political maps where Eastern and Western Europe is distinguished, but we are still supposed to ignore the fact that there are many countries which are placed in Eastern Europe and shares the same language group with Western countries. So what's the conclusion? Very convoluted.

So what is an Eastern European language ?

PS Since when "deviantart" is a source of information?

There's no such thing.
Languages of Europe are divided into:

1. Indo-European languages:

a) Albanian
b) Armenian
c) Baltic languages
d) Celtic
e) Germanic
f) Greek
g) Indo-Iranian languages
h) Romance languages
i) Slavic

2. Languages not from the Indo-European family:

From: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Europe


What do you mean?

He put some map of ethnicieties from deviantart. It's on the previous page. Note that England and Ireland are marked with the same colour (unless my screen display it wrongly), while Wales and Scotland with other... obviously most of Irish are not Celts. Sensational!

It's always good to post something not knowing what it is ;)

LOL
OMG, you're right - I didn't even notice that! ;D
DeviantART is an art site, there's definitely nothing scientific about it lol:
ay-deezy.deviantart.com/art/Globaly-ethnic-map-of-Europe-261818018

From the artist's comment:


Oh dear ;D

Wait, what's everyone arguing about? It all depends on the definition you use.

Wrt geography, central.
Wrt language, eastern.
Wrt religion, western.

If the Slavic and Finno-Ugric languages are considered eastern, then Finland, Estonia, Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Bulgaria, Slovenia and what have you are eastern linguistically.

The Japanese have no qualms about being eastern. I don't see what the problem is.