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POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country?


Wulkan - | 3,250
2 Jan 2013 #781
it was established that we are indeed in Eastern Europe.

where is the book that the establishment went to? Hahaha xDDDDD

Ok I think I've had enough of you for tonight, anyway... thanks for making me laugh, GN ;-)
zetigrek
2 Jan 2013 #782
kościół

Is it Rome... or Warsaw?
kcharlie 2 | 165
2 Jan 2013 #783
Poland is eastern, central and western.

Geographically, it's in Central Europe.

Culturally, it's both eastern and western. Eastern because it's Slavic. Western because it's historically been rather more Catholic than Eastern Orthodox.

Linguistically, it's eastern because its language is from a family that has dominated in Eastern Europe.
Paulina 10 | 1,693
2 Jan 2013 #784
it was established that we are indeed in Eastern Europe.

By whom? By you? :)

Perhaps that's because I (and various other posters who've made the same points) am right.

Jon, just because you say you're right it doesn't make you right ;)
Do you know why I proposed architecture for the topic of our discussion? Because I've spent 5 years studying history of art and architecture, I've graduated from an art school with top marks and I've visited some countries in Western and Central Europe for the sole purpose of sightseeing, so I have some idea about what I'm writing.

Poland had all the Western styles of architecture. From Romanesque architecture to Art Nouveau - have your pick.
Now, which of the Western architecture styles can you find in Russia?

So you're posting in a thread that you haven't bothered to read and are accusing others of being lazy!

I have a dry eye syndrome resulting from Sjögren's syndrome. So, no, it's not laziness... I'm a bit disadvantaged in the terms of reading, you see. If I could, I would read the whole thread. It's not always easy to admit to your weaknesses :) Taking part in this discussion is already a challenge...

That does rather cast doubt on anything else you've tried to say.

No, it doesn't.
zetigrek
2 Jan 2013 #785
I have a dry eye syndrome resulting from Sjögren's syndrome. So, no, it's not laziness... I'm a bit disadvantaged in the terms of reading, you see. If I could, I would read the whole thread. It's not always easy to admit to your weaknesses :)

Why won't he just post the page number?
Paulina 10 | 1,693
2 Jan 2013 #786
That would be nice ;)
zetigrek
2 Jan 2013 #787
I think that the silence means that he declined the challenge.
I hate when people prentend to be smarter than others but when ask for details they dissapear.
Paulina 10 | 1,693
2 Jan 2013 #788
I think that the silence means that he declined the challenge.

We'll see.

I hate when people prentend to be smarter than others but when ask for details they dissapear.

Yeah, I hate that too ;)
jon357 66 | 17,028
2 Jan 2013 #789
I think that the silence means that he declined the challenge.

Perhaps because there's no challenge to decline. Instead, you may find it useful to read the whole of the thread that you're posting on. You may find plenty of interest, though I suspect you will disagree with much of it.
zetigrek
2 Jan 2013 #790
Instead, you may find it useful to read the whole of the thread that you're posting on.

I've just scroll whole thread and didn't find any pictures of Eastern european architecture. Actually there were no pictures of any kind of architecture. Where are they then?
Paulina 10 | 1,693
2 Jan 2013 #791
Perhaps because there's no challenge to decline.

Jon, which of the Western architecture styles can you find in Russia?
jon357 66 | 17,028
2 Jan 2013 #792
Who said there were such pictures?

Strange. You might find it more interesting to read rather than 'scroll' the thread.

Jon, which of the Western architecture styles can you find in Russia?

Most of them, Paulina. That doesn't make a masterpiece typical,though, does it?
zetigrek
2 Jan 2013 #793
Who said there were such pictures?Strange. You might find it more interesting to read rather than 'scroll' the thread.

Are you silly? I found my own posts that I posted 2 years ago. I've already read it back then and it's all the same talk repeated constantly.

Most of them, Paulina. That doesn't make a masterpiece typical,though, does it?

If an eastern type vernacular architecture is popular in Poland then post a picture. You should not have a problem with that, should you?
What's the problem in typing into the searcher "vernacular architecture of Poland"?
Paulina 10 | 1,693
2 Jan 2013 #794
Most of them, Paulina.

Really? Romanesque? Gothic? Renaissance? Could you show or name examples?

That doesn't make a masterpiece typical,though, does it?

I'm not sure what you mean?
Ironside 50 | 10,939
2 Jan 2013 #795
Most of them, Paulina.

Most of what? You mean that you can find all types of western historical architecture in Russia?I presume you are not talking about later copies.

Anyway jon Poland is an Eastern European country (except geographically)but not for those reasons you mentioned.
jon357 66 | 17,028
2 Jan 2013 #797
I don't mean that tiny patch of Russian territory that is called Kaliningrad nowadays ;)

Pleased to hear it, not that it makes the slightest different either way.

Poland is an Eastern European country

Indeed it is, for many reasons - culture, cuisine, economics, etc.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
3 Jan 2013 #798
Indeed it is, for many reasons - culture, cuisine, economics, etc.

How a country can be Eastern in regard to economics ? You mean it's poor ? So once we get ahead of Portugal (which should happen within 5 years), Portugal will be Eastern then ?
Paulina 10 | 1,693
3 Jan 2013 #799
Pleased to hear it, not that it makes the slightest different either way.

Different? You mean "difference"? It doesn't make the slightest difference concerning what?

Indeed it is, for many reasons - culture, cuisine, economics, etc.

You keep repeating that over and over again, but you're not able to prove it or at least explain what you mean.
What is Eastern about Polish culture?
Art and architecture are elements of culture.
I was asking you what is Eastern about Polish architecture. You weren't able to answer that question.
To make it easier for you I've asked you which of the Western architecture styles you can find in Russia.
Your answer was: "Most of them".
So, what are those "most of Western architecture styles" in Russia? Do you even have the slightest idea what you're writing about?

How a country can be Eastern in regard to economics ? You mean it's poor ? So once we get ahead of Portugal (which should happen within 5 years), Portugal will be Eastern then ?

LOL Exactly :)
szarlotka 8 | 2,209
3 Jan 2013 #800
So after over five years of deep contemplation the answer is still out there somewhere?

If anybody's interested I stand by answer from way back then.
Wulkan - | 3,250
3 Jan 2013 #801
Do you even have the slightest idea what you're writing about?

Of course, he exactly knows what is he writing about........ NOT!!
Ironside 50 | 10,939
4 Jan 2013 #802
Indeed it is, for many reasons - culture, cuisine, economics, etc.

You are not giving any arguments, it is just merry go around of your stubbornness.
David_18 68 | 982
4 Jan 2013 #803
Funny thing is that he ignores the links i posted to educate him, and instead continues to fool around about Poland being some kinda russia.
zetigrek
4 Jan 2013 #804
Check out the 'Europe of Squirrels' and the 'Europe of Rabbits' for a nice comparison.

Has jon clarified the terms: "Europe of Squirrels" and "Europe of Rabbits"? Whenever i put it in search engine "Europe of Squirrels" I have only one result: this thread :)

"Europe of Rabbits" has 4 results, again 1 is polishforums, 3 are some sites about diseases among species or something...

Both European squirrel and European inhabit in Poland.

Could jon, please, clarify what he meant? I ask about it out of interest.
Ironside 50 | 10,939
4 Jan 2013 #805
"Europe of Squirrels" and "Europe of Rabbits"?

Rabbits and hares are almost never found to be infected with rabies and have not been known to transmit rabies to humans.[

The red squirrel also has the ability to swim.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4489792.stm
zetigrek
4 Jan 2013 #806
Ironside

???
Am I slow or what?
Ironside 50 | 10,939
4 Jan 2013 #807
Am I slow or what?

No I'm just kidding! See the link where Russian squirrels kill a dog.
I guess that it was jon's metaphor for areas of woodlands and areas of predominant meadows and pastures. If so he is wrong but honestly I don't know what he wanted to say.
Wulkan - | 3,250
4 Jan 2013 #808
honestly I don't know what he wanted to say.

He wanted to say that those black Russian dog killing squirrels are in Poland too. xDDD
And indeed they obviously are, cause like Russia Poland is in Eastern Europe..... NOT!!
Paulina 10 | 1,693
6 Jan 2013 #809
One of the differences between East European and Central European culture/tradition is the fact that Eastern Europeans start celebrating Christmas today! It's because Orthodox Churches follow the Julian calendar: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar

We follow the Gregorian calendar: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

Spain,[19] Portugal, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and most of Italy implemented the new calendar on Friday, 15 October 1582, immediately following Julian Thursday, 4 October 1582.

The Julian calendar is much older than the Gregorian, it was used in the first centuries of Christianity.

Orthodox Christians during Christmas Eve supper share prosphora instead of Christmas wafer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosphora

According to Wikipedia Christmas wafer originated in Poland and is used only in Central Europe: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_wafer

So, for Orthodox Christians the New Year is still to come! Russians celebrate the New Year twice! :D

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_New_Year

And something that is completely weird for Poles - Russians have Christmas tree and they exchange presents on the New Year!:

Btw, there's about 550-600 000 Orthodox Christians in Poland.

In case there are any Orthodox Christians on this forum from whichever country, I wish you:
С Рождеством Христовым!
Wesołych Świąt!
Merry Christmas!
:)))
berni23 7 | 379
6 Jan 2013 #810
Still cant let it go, ehh?
Now you only need to convince everybody on how language and ethnicity wise Poland belongs to the West and you are ready to start the New Year as the epicenter of the world.

A hint: Lead with the alphabet, continue with German, French and even English loan words and culminate how Poland was in space.


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