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Why didn't Britain declare war on USSR for invading Poland in 1939?


Korvinus 1 | 246
26 Jul 2021 #1
Germany & USSR jointly carved up Poland, but Britain (and France?) only declared war on Germany, not the Soviet Union. Why is this?

Any aficionados and/or arm-chair theorists here?

Is the answer as simple as they didn't want to drive Germany and USSR closer together, and/or that they were scared of the USSR? I thought the latter was still viewed as pretty backward and a potential pushover in a fight by not just Germany but everyone in the West at the time.
jon357 69 | 18,492
26 Jul 2021 #2
Realism. They knew very well that the war was going to be fought on many fronts of which Poland was only one.
AntV 4 | 387
26 Jul 2021 #3
Could it be as simple as the Brits agreement with Poland was to protect Poland against Germany, and not the SU? In other words, Britain honored it's agreement when Germany attacked. There was no such agreement regarding attack from SU.

Interesting question.
Novichok 2 | 5,267
26 Jul 2021 #4
Why is this?

To the Western leftists, communist leftists were less scary than the fascist leftists. Plus, Hitler disturbed their Jewish central banking system, whereas Stalin did not.
Oathbreaker 4 | 451
26 Jul 2021 #5
@AntV
Same with Poland's agreement towards the Soviet Union. Romania was prepared to co-operate with Poland regarding the 17th September invasion. Just that Poland's leadership at the decided for Romania to not step in, so that the evacuation to France would be faster/easier.

Poland's leadership simply overestimated France's political&militaric capabilities cause of France's prestige since France was seen as the one holding off the German advance.

The unfortunate lack of knowledge about the French society's pessimism towards war which was a result of the amount of losses from ww1, wasn't understood from a Polish point of view. Until it was too late, it wasn't until later that after 1940 that the main ally switched from France to the U.K.

Which stinged really bad and again cause of the Yalta agreement, then also the Potsdam conference. Cause U.K's influence, economy and power was waning due to the attrition of ww1, then also ww2. (It's not without reason that Churchill was desperate to get U.S.A onboard in to the European conflict)

U.S.A&Soviet Union having no formal obligations towards pre-ww2-Poland. Was doing how they liked and how they saw it fit.

The power shift was heavily on Stalin during the negotiations, while Churchill's influence was waning as Roosevelt was determined to end European Imperialism (colonial rule in Africa&Asia)

Which is why he wasn't interested in strengthening U.K international position in any way. Poland was simply unfortunate with her prospects of potential allies as the Soviet Union had an axe to grind (with Stalin it was even on a personal level cause of the 1920 war near Lwów) while the U.S.A simply had no ambitions to have any influence in slavic countries that would create tension and was fairly naive with it too. (Czechoslovakia is a particularly good example of naivety from the west)

I wouldn't blame U.K as much in this as Stalin simply hoped for the Germans to bleed on the French front (just like during ww1) while instead it happened in the east. With enormous casualties for the Soviet Union as well. The sad thing is that if the red army had come to the aid of Poland in 1939, the Nazi Germans might have been defeated earlier. But, that's of course just speculations now about top level discussions and possibility of outcomes. If Stalin wasn't paranoid and revengeful.

Alas Polish-Russian relations continue to be difficult to this day
jon357 69 | 18,492
26 Jul 2021 #6
Could it be as simple as the Brits agreement with Poland was to protect Poland against Germany,

This is true, and of course the agreement was arguably no longer in force by Sept. 1939.
AntV 4 | 387
26 Jul 2021 #7
I'd say that the agreement became enforceable in Sept 1939, hence Britain declaring war on Germany. I guess you could argue the "protecting" part of the agreement ended in October; but, that's academic. When Britain declared war-it was on!
jon357 69 | 18,492
26 Jul 2021 #8
It was indeed on, and fascism obviously needed defeating, though the agreement was, according to some, voided by the Polish government some time before.

The issue has been much discussed here, and as history turned out, the UK respected the guarantee regardless of whether or not it had been broken..
Crnogorac3 2 | 479
26 Jul 2021 #9
but Britain (and France?) only declared war on Germany, not the Soviet Union. Why is this?

dailymotion.com/video/x2wyli0
Dr William Pierce Katyn forest in 1940

archive.org/details/TheJewishProblemExplainedByDr.JosephGoebbels

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The reason is: America, UK and Soviet Union were all under jewish domination & control.
Crnogorac3 2 | 479
26 Jul 2021 #10
Could it be as simple as the Brits agreement with Poland was to protect Poland against Germany

Wrong, Britain signed a mutual defence pact with Poland, which it never intended to honour. This is evidenced by the shameful betrayal at Yalta when Poland was sold to the Communists after the war. Europe was not liberated after WWII it was occupied and divided in two halves.
AntV 4 | 387
26 Jul 2021 #11
Seems an odd claim since Britain did declare war on Germany on Sept 3, 1939 even though it wasn't prepared for war at that time. Seems to me whether they intended to honor the agreement when made or not is moot. They did honor it-maybe not with the hoped for outcome, but it did honor it.
Crnogorac3 2 | 479
26 Jul 2021 #12
Then explain why Britain and France didn't honour the defense agreement & declare war against the Soviets who at the same time invaded & occupied Eastern Poland?

dailymotion.com/video/x30y3cn
Adolf Hitler, The Man who Fought the Bank
AntV 4 | 387
26 Jul 2021 #13
Look at Post #3. Could that be the answer? Not saying it is, but it's plausible, yes?
Crnogorac3 2 | 479
26 Jul 2021 #14
dailymotion.com/video/x33x6be
Dr. William Pierce - Reason for world war 2
AntV 4 | 387
26 Jul 2021 #15
Isn't that Pierce guy, the neo-nazi? The guy who started the group Timothy McVeigh was part of?

If so, you think, just maybe, he may he have an agenda?
Crnogorac3 2 | 479
26 Jul 2021 #16
Plus, Hitler disturbed their Jewish central banking system,

dailymotion.com/video/x65ayz4
The German War Against Globalism

archive.org/details/hitler-vs-rothschild

The English are "a slave race governed by the House of Rothschild since Waterloo".
(Ezra Pound - American poet & critic)
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Pound
jon357 69 | 18,492
26 Jul 2021 #17
Ezra Pound

How many years did he spend in a locked ward of a psychiatric hospital?
AntV 4 | 387
26 Jul 2021 #18
Or his time in Italy paying homage to the fascist gov of Mousillini (however you spell it).

Neo-nazis and their sympathizers, slaves to fear, insecurity, and anger since, well, it's beginning.
-AntV, American Regular Guy
Crnogorac3 2 | 479
26 Jul 2021 #19
youtu.be/K_F48oaOskI

Charles Lindbergh - America First Speech (September 11, 1941)

youtu.be/hphgHi6FD8k

Huey Long: Share The Wealth

youtu.be/igsGXwcZ9hI

Father Coughlin on Communism and Jews
jon357 69 | 18,492
26 Jul 2021 #20
Charles Lindbergh

Huey Long

You certainly do choose some Class A scuzzballs.
Novichok 2 | 5,267
26 Jul 2021 #21
...like Madoff? I wasn't there, but have no doubt that Hitler had real problem with the international Jews in the banking business. Would you like to see the names of the authors of the Federal Reserve who kidnapped the US banking system in 1913 and made it private? Yes, the so-called "Fed" is as private as Federal Express.
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,833
26 Jul 2021 #22
@Crnogorac3

And yet people are shocked when Poland resists their restitution extortions or a poll that shows 1/5 Poles are glad WW2 resulted in less jews (a majority agreed jews have too much power)

notesfrompoland.com/2021/01/28/one-in-five-poles-glad-wwii-led-to-fewer-jews-in-poland-finds-study/

The Polish goyim know... that's why they keep trying to shut us down...

But yes, the betrayal of the Brits lives on in the Poles today - that's why we know we can't rely on anyone but ourselves..

Besides, the British military would be too busy guarding the muslim soldiers who take their boots off during combat to pray 5x a time.

names of the authors of the Federal Reserve who kidnapped the US banking system in 1913

It reads like the guest list to a bar mitzvah...
Novichok 2 | 5,267
26 Jul 2021 #23
It reads like the guest list to a bar mitzvah...

...but those were "assimilated" Jews. They even knew how to speak English!!!
I wonder if they thought about having a token non-Jew.
pawian 181 | 17,079
26 Jul 2021 #24
only declared war on Germany, not the Soviet Union.

Coz the Polish-Western alliance was designed only against Germany. Simple.
Miloslaw 12 | 3,351
26 Jul 2021 #25
One of those rare times where you and I agree completely :-)
pawian 181 | 17,079
26 Jul 2021 #26
There is no chance to disagree here although I feel you would like to. LOLOLO:).
Novichok 2 | 5,267
26 Jul 2021 #27
Coz the Polish-Western alliance was designed only against Germany. Simple.

As evasive as ever...The question is why only against Germany? How about the NATO way...against any aggressor.
Here is the answer: because the Western swamp had a love affair with the Soviet Union. Long after the evil empire dropped the iron curtain, American publications would still show Stalin as a jovial sweet uncle - good enough to be Santa at Sears. In a 1954 edition of Encyclopedia, Katyn was still a German atrocity. Soviets? No way!
Lyzko 32 | 7,931
26 Jul 2021 #28
My reading suggests that the Baldwin, later the Churchill, government acutely realized the geopolitical significance of Stalin as a bulwark against the Nazis. HE wasn't history's supreme dolt; Neville Chamberlain won that booby prize hands down.
Novichok 2 | 5,267
26 Jul 2021 #29
Stalin was on the American leftist academia most admired list long after the iron curtain went down. So much for the intelligence and morality of "professors".

Almost forgot the lovely couple aka the Rosenbergs.
I wonder who smoked more on that Sing Sing chair.
Lyzko 32 | 7,931
26 Jul 2021 #30
Ethel was only implicated by association! Judge Saypol as a Jew wanted to prove to a hysterical, Red-baiting public he wasn't soft on fellow Jews.

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