Did Poland bring on its own destruction in 1939?

Nope
that was the end of this conversation -


Mr American loon

Ironside 10 Novichok 3. In football terms thats a massacre.

You like keeping score? Fine. Score this:

How many Poles were executed by the Soviets or on Soviet orders after January 1946? This is the only number that matters as it tells the real story about the Soviet "occupation" of Poland.

No stories, no essays, no evasive crap. Just a number.

"....From 1945 to 1948, the Soviets deported to forced labor or concentration camps in the Soviet Union from 3,000,000 to 6,000,000 Poles, of which 585,000 may have died. Hundreds of thousands and possibly near 1,000,000 Poles were killed in Soviet terror and repression.33...."

hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP7.ADDENDA.HTM#33

hawaii.edu/powerkills/USSR.TAB8A.GIF

Not to forget the forced mass emigration of polish soldiers who had to stay in the UK after the war....why they didn't come back into their new liberated home country you ask? Maybe to avoid the fate of the polish officers and intelligentsia in Katyn?

fmreview.org/resettlement/blaszczyk

If your posts were in response to mine, you just wasted your time.

Why?

You demanded a number....(I didn't even wrote an essay....this time)...

Quoting from that article:

The last great source of Polish independence, the Catholic Church was finally taken over: its lands were nationalized, religious teaching in the schools was forbidden, and priests were imprisoned and executed.

Funny that religious teaching in schools is forbidden in "America", too. Bad Soviets turning the US into a godless hellhole.

Seriously, I got my first communion in 1950. It was organized by the school and delivered in the church in Radom. Nobody was shot because nobody was shooting.

Some brave/stubborn/idiotic people got their communion till the end of the GDR too, it still was thoroughly de-christianized during the four decades of commie rule....

East Germany became a religious black hole....and it still is!


theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2012/sep/22/atheism-east-germany-godless-place

Not a good thing. Societies without religion tend to withdraw into nihilism and can't accomplish basic necessary tasks such as reproduce - leading to the need to outsource reproduction to foreign imports...

Animals reproduce! They are not known for being religious.... :)

@Bratwurst Boy
True, they are known to be animalistic. I can't imagine anyone wanting to live the life of animals. The animals I like the most are the ones who changed due to interactions with humans, I would choose a cute Corgi over any wild wolf out there.

It's part of being a human being to fight ones own ego and beastly inclinations, to be a good parent and an upstanding citizen in society at large.

Which is paradoxical since many of the sexual drives are quite primordial so when it comes to such desires it clashes. Especially when they are extreme, I have met few people who seem to understand that.

Many think it's either one or the other, while I see it as a mix of both. Used in varying degree in different circumstances for a myriad of reasons. Through my own historical studies of human societies compared to animalistic ones and the human ones who tend to be the most savage seem to progress at an extremely slow pace.

Which only rebukes science as being opposed to religion, unless one tries to make it so

You mean it as a joke (I hope) but there's something to that. Atheism (at a societal level) reduces people to the animal level but without natural animal instincts that have been bred out of people for the last few thousand years. So they flounder and fail at things that animals find effortless.

To work, a human society needs some kind of transcendent goal that's outside of, yet dependent on, the individual. The only non-religious order that really delivers that (AFAICT) is Confucianism. It's not technically a religion but it's as close as the Chinese get - their theory of everything.

Of course being overly religious is just about as bad (in another direction).

But we are! (Animals that is)

This elevation of mankind to be the "crown of the creation" is.....well.....only human-religious hubris...so.....

The sooner mankind takes back her place as full part of the nature and believes itself no longer to be something special, some "crown" or the other, the sooner we will regain our balance with nature and the whole planet again, just my two cents.

But I'm bowing out here, that is so far off topic I wonder the Admin lets it stand, heh:)

*takes helmet and wanders off*

We are not animals @BB

I fully disagree that bonding more with nature and creation then the creator is wrong

didn`t. Poland in 1939 could do nothing to save itself or to ruin itself. Mistake was done centuries in past. Poland shouldn`t have mercy for Germanics when they knelt before Polish king.

@Crow
That is an assessment of król Zygmunts decision to transform the Teutonic Order in to Protestant Prussia. Since the headmaster of the time was a blood relative, that changed when the Hohenzollern family gained the lands of Prussia. Effectively changing Duchy of Brandenburg in to Kingdom of Prussia, (with the title king, but only legally binding in Prussia) while remaining an elector of the HRE.

The hope of binding Prussians/Prussia to Poland/Polish nation by blood and peaceful measures were ruined by the ambitions of the Hohenzollern dynasty.

Which ultimately lead on the path of destruction which was 1939, it all started with pillaging and raids done by Pagan Prussians against the Duke of Mazovia. To the pagan Prussians different fate (compared to pagan Lithuanians) was the Teutonic orders methods of conquest by fire and sword.

(Which Poland mostly left behind, the military conquest which was done was mostly done by Bolesław the bold against Christian germans, pagan Slavs and others. Eventually at 1025 not too long before his death he was crowned by the pope King of Poland, as the first Piast to rule as king)

Hey Mafkeis,

I was banned from this forum again for like a week and was every day itching to finally reply after I discovered the video below for ifnal proof what I always knew was right.

Do you even physically exist right now?
For all I know you haven't even been rendered yet and what I'm responding to is a disembodied mishmash of assorted data coded to seem organic and living.

All of you are probably A.I. and this whole website is a psyop.
The entire internet is probably artificial.

Here is some real news for you:
10 million soviet women were raped on the eastern front vs a total of 1.5 million of all nationality rapes by soviets:
youtube.com/watch?v=g7oqNLEzdLU&t=246s

Watch and inspect it closely you priagandist. You are repeating the same Poilish lies all over again they spew and no one outside its borders cares about besides starch russphiles like americans during the cold war or Germans to protect their reputations. Watch what he says (this is a british historian btw) from start to finish.

Another video to watch (your not a Po-ak so why do you care who treated them and not their jews who they dont consider po-aks better lets talk about overall figures here why dont we?):

youtube.com/watch?v=oy_Rj8qLcyo&t=448s

comparing soviet pow to even japanese pow or german by soviets and you see who was the worse of the worse. dont worry about the po-aks and who hurt their feelings more why dont you. They would have been a slave race to the reich anyway.

Crow, that was perfect. Weakness always comes back and bites. I noticed that Polish kings were not too bright. Like the one how to let Jews in.

more to bird brain polish wannabe and propagandist mafkeis:

A great read:
researchgate.net/profile/Wendy-Gertjejanssen/publication/33995292_Victims_heroes_survivors_sexual_violence_on_the_Eastern_Front_during_World_War_II/links/6086db64881fa114b42dba26/Victims-heroes-survivors-sexual-violence-on-the-Eastern-Front-during-World-War-II.pdf?origin=publication_detail

Peasants.

What you expected? Greeks and Romans destroyed ancient order. Northern tribes (typically rural) were practically leaderless when south (usual urban centers) lost its former power. For tens of thousends of years southern Sarmats dominated and north followed.

hey mafkeis besides the video above of kik the historian co paring the German rapes to Soviet you should watch this before you judge them these warriors these brave men who won it for us all saying theyre rapists etc look at the mortality rates they suffered in German captivity worde than even the Japanese or Asians did to Americans or anyone and at a colossal scale. roughly 50 percent mortality so these Poles you see in Poland or hear talking crap on this forum have no idea their mortality rate in captivity was really low nothing what people of the east suffered and why the Red Army needed to exact their revenge:

youtu.be/oy_Rj8qLcyo (watch from 4:25)

watch this video to compare:
youtu.be/UnV4Aee1RTg

I'm not interested in comparing atrocities from 75 years ago. There were plenty of atrocities to go around without trying to paint one side as angels...

well then you agree the focus should not be harassing Ukrainian migrants in Poland and on UPA or the, than? that this recent constant focus on them makes no sense?

I'm very against harassing Ukrainian migrants in Poland (except for the small minority who break the law, I'm all for harassing criminals).

Polish nationalists who get upset about Ukrainians in Poland (mostly just here to work and make some money) are seriously disturbed people. It might be different if they were demanding services and education in Ukrainian or Russian or complaining about Polish history books .... but I don't know of any instances of that happening...

The minority of Ukrainians who stay in Poland will melt into the local population and in a generation their children won't be distinguishable from anyone else.

Lucky you that they are white and so far a minority.
Still, when you open the doors to the people you like, the question is how many are you planning to let in. For reference, there are 43 million Ukrainians and all are very nice people.

So, what is the limit? If you are counting on their decision not to come anymore, they will make it when Poland is not worth going to or living in.

Uninvited immigrants almost always destroy the host.

I doubt that.... one student went on an anti-Ukrainian rant recently (she's Ukrainian herself) sounding very much like a Polish person from 10 years ago talking about Polish people in England....

But there's no sign that most want to stay (my estimate is that somewhere between 10-25 % will but most are here short term) (the buses leave and depart full every day).

That feels better. I like guests that leave.

Germans were so much raped, they don`t exist anymore, they are practically re-Slavicized. Di*k is like a magic wand.

That should balancing out all the raping the Germans did....the re-germanizing before, heh:)