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DO YOU KNOW ABOUT ORDER NO. 00485?


marion kanawha 3 | 95
21 Feb 2024 #1
The more I study Polish history, the more shocking it becomes. I'm new to Polish history having investigated it intensely for only two years.

So here's something I never heard of --- not ever. I found out about this because of one sentence appearing in Michael Sliva's book POLAND'S EASTERN BORDERS.

We've all heard about Stalin's Great Purge. All I ever heard about the Great Purge was it helped the Nazi Operation Barbarossa succeed because all the top Soviet military personal were eradicated. I also heard that a large segment of the bureaucrats were eliminated.

It took place in 1937-38 and I never realized the scope of this purge. 681,692 EXECUTED. If you include all arrested and their lives destroyed it can reach 950,000.

NOW HERE'S THE SCHOCKER FOR ME. The LARGEST group of those executed were not military or bureaucrats --- it was Soviet citizens of Polish ethnicity. Based on Order No. 000485, some 139,835 were arrested and sentenced. Of those 111,091 were EXECUTED. But it doesn't end there. Historian michal Jasinski says most who were executed were MEN. The wives were deported to Kazakhstan for 5-10 years prison sentences. All possessions were confiscated. The parents and in-laws of the executed lost all possessions and fell into poverty.

The children? Sent en masse to orphanages where they lost their Polish identities. Jasinski calculates that the 1937-38 victims could reach an average of 225,000. IT WAS THE LARGEST ETHNIC SHOOTING AND DEPORTATION ACTION DURING THE GREAT PURGE.

Stalin called them "...Polish espionage mud..." "Officially" it was an action against "agents" of Polish ethnicity who could be the "fifth column" that worked in the railroad, the post office, telephone and transportation, armament factories, the military and those who belonged to social or cultural clubs and organizations.

Ethnic Poles made up .4% of the USSR population but were 12.5% of the victims. 40% came from Ukrainia SSR and 17% came from Byelorussia SSR.

Now here's another shocking fact. NOT ALL THE "POLISH" VICTIMS WERE ETHNIC POLES!!! Because of last names (the NKVD went through telephone books), because of speaking Polish, because of their religion (Catholic?), because of Polish customs and traditions a lot of Belorusians, Ukrainians, Jews and even Russians got swept up in Order No. 000485. They all became POLISH; they all became DEAD !!!

The Great Purge was only known in the West and it was only known about the purge of military and party members. That only became known after some victims escaped the USSR.

It was only in the late 1960s that more info started to come out of the USSR. All this falls into the Soviet concept of "rehabilitation historiography".

And Stalin was right! He was at a meeting and supposedly muttered the following to himself:

"Who's going to remember all this riff-raff in ten or twenty years time? No one. Who remembers the names now of the boyars Ivan the Terrible got rid of? No one."

Stalin was dead right. 86 years later and I just found out about the largest eradication of "riff-raff" during the Great Purge.
Bobko 25 | 1,937
21 Feb 2024 #2
The more I study Polish history, the more shocking it becomes

Perhaps stop reading Polish history, to preserve your gentle psyche?
Paulina 17 | 4,425
21 Feb 2024 #3
Of those 111,091 were EXECUTED.

That's comparable to the highest estimate of the number of victims of the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by UPA. That's, of course, info for Putinist a-holes, who have problems with grasping the reasons behind Poles disliking the Soviet Union, its symbols, Stalin, etc. :)

Stalin was dead right. 86 years later and I just found out about the largest eradication of "riff-raff" during the Great Purge.

:(

Perhaps stop reading Polish history, to preserve your gentle psyche?

Pity you and other RuSSians don't have her curiosity about history and "gentle psyche"...
Paulina 17 | 4,425
21 Feb 2024 #4
her curiosity

*his, sorry

I thought "Marion" is a female name :P
Miloslaw 19 | 5,062
21 Feb 2024 #5
I thought "Marion" is a female name

Really?I thought you were Polish?
Paulina 17 | 4,425
21 Feb 2024 #6
Really?

Yup:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marion_(given_name)

I thought you were Polish?

I am Polish, but what does it have to do with anything? "Marion" isn't a Polish name.
amiga500 4 | 1,528
22 Feb 2024 #7
Thanks so much for the info marion. very interesting, so kania has to blame the russians as well as the ukranians for genocide of polish people.

I found a youtube video about the genocide of the polish people during the great purge and also an academic paper.
Marion are you doing a masters or phd in polish history? as you have become an expert :)



jstor.org/stable/23488338
jon357 74 | 22,250
22 Feb 2024 #8
I am Polish, but what does it have to do with anything? "Marion" isn't a Polish name

Exactly. I first assumed it was an American lady then saw "he" in the bio and wondered if it was an alternative spelling of Marian.

In any case, we shouldn't make assumptions about ethnicity or gender.

It's a horrible history; r*SSia's Great Purge was an act of immense evil. As was the Doctors 'Plot'. There is some evidence that at the time of his death Stalin was planning death camps.
Alien 21 | 5,159
23 Feb 2024 #9
There is some evidence that at the time of his death Stalin was planning death camps.

Was he planning? He certainly already had them.
OP marion kanawha 3 | 95
24 Feb 2024 #10
I will say this. When you read Polish history and read the statistics, primarily the death tolls, you become immune to suffering and death. The dead in history just become numbers and more numbers. Oftentimes in Polish history the modern experts can't even determine a death toll figure!!!

We all know of the death toll in Palestine and the entire world is in an uproar. In reading the news and thinking to myself that the Palestine death toll is TWO DAYS of butchery in the Praga suburb during Surorov's advance on Warsaw (1794). That Palestine death toll is ONE AFTERNOON of butchery inthe apartment buildings in Warsaw during the Uprising (1944).

You listen to the news and there's no emotion. It's just figures.
Paulina 17 | 4,425
24 Feb 2024 #11
When you read Polish history and read the statistics, primarily the death tolls, you become immune to suffering and death. The dead in history just become numbers and more numbers.

For me they are not numbers, they are my people...


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