Polish historical myths - to break or not to break them?

F scholars. I'm talking about BS spewed by scholars due to a politically-driven narrative that is anything but scientific.
It is called research but in fact, it is politically driven rewriting of history to fit ideological and political agenda and to promote and glorify LGBT BS commie ideology.

And in that one short and crude sentence, you've revealed your true self. And I hope you were just pretending.


Whose 'agenda'?

Wasn't he!?

Oh, don't be a sanctimonious p. I'm pretty sure you are much cruder than I in the real life.
I got bored of that exchange is merry-go-around with you all the time. By that remark, I have meant being a scholar doesn't make you impartial or unbiased or wise or truthful. The fact that some scholars say something doesn't make it true. You make it sound as if scholars were the final authority on any matter.

Not even that, it is a logical fallacy that bothers me. Your logical fallacy, namely an appeal to authority.

If it stresses you so much, why not beetle off and put the kettle on, rather than getting all worked up.


On this you're right. Not many people are cruder and blunter than a Yorkshireman who used to be a sailor and now lives in Poland, a country with a particularly rich swearing vocabulary. The art to crudeness is of course using it sparingly and knowing when and where to turn it on and off. Less is more.


They're not bloody far off....

I hate commies and all kinds of oppressors so I hate PC BS and their ideology.

A lot of hate there. Objectivity is generally more useful when discussing history.

I hate when commies tweak a historical narrative to fit their ideological agenda.

Are the historians who study Konopnicka 'commies'? Not many 'commies' here in Poland, except perhaps former Nomenklatura, as you once mentioned that you were.

Let's be honest... Academia is dominated by left-wing voters. It isn't excactly 19th century conservatives at the universities, so topics to be researched mirror it aswell.

It's different when sociologists research: 1. Societies capability to handle a crisis during a lockdown

Compared to:

2. Why societies persecute minorities

Or:

3. The ethnical background of criminals in the UK

2&3 are far more politically motivated then nr. 1...

There's certainly a correlation between IQ/education and voting preferences.

There are however also conservative academics (even plenty of them) and nothing to stop academics on either the right or the left from researching the past and publishing their findings, whether breaking myths, redefining them or reinforcing them.

Recently, I translated a somewhat heavy political book written by Polish academics for publication in the UK by a well-known academic publisher. The views of those particular academics (from several universities, mostly libertarian political scientists) were entirely conservative in outlook.

Propounders of the liberal democracy and everything it entails.


I never claimed to be it.

That is why she has been chosen by some groups as the Founding Father of LGBT movement in Poland.

Konopnicka monument:

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Just cut off their grants and they will come to their senses.

How? They are not funded by state sources.

@pawian
Maria Konopnicka is famous as a writer and not because of her affair with another woman. Besides, woman with woman is not man with another man and never was.

For guys who drool over them. Otherwise it's still people of the same sex having a relationship.

@Lenka
Yes sure, but in our patriarchal world woman with woman is just funny and man with man is repulsive. Ask Novi and others.

Made up affair. Any movment that needs to lie to support its claims is rotten.


A what? Are you Biden?


They are founded. I bet if not for a money there is, there wouldn't be more then three people in Poland talking about so called LGBT. Is not issue in Poland.

Yes, you probably think of comedies like Seksmisja.

@Cojestdocholery
My world is not patriarchal, but we live in a Patriarchal World.

Pussified men like the Swedes are not "patriarchal". Russia is patriarchal. China is patriarchal. No Western Europe.

both western europe and russia has women with a higher sex drive or who dont all wait for marriage like the good catholics or polish ones and actually like to f@k. I literally had less luck or a worse sex life the last seven years (and three of which I was in prison) than any other time in my life since I lost my V card at 22.

Shows how much you know. Beginning in the late 1960s Soviet (and Russian) masculinity entered a crisis mode from which they have yet to recover.... men drop like flies in Russia (from alcohol, tobacco, other drugs and a cultural feeling of uselessness...) there is a tremendous difference in lifespan...

patriarchal my @ss....

By Zalina Marshenkulova
Updated: March 9, 2020

Russia Celebrates Misogyny, Not Equality on Women's Day
In Russia, a woman is necessary only to serve or to decorate something - or to receive threats if she ventures beyond these boundaries.

Ignoring women, general misogyny and sympathy for the aggressor, not the victim: this is what it means to live in a patriarchal society.

Sorry, maf, I trust her more.

themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/09/russia-celebrates-misogyny-not-equality-on-womens-day-a69564

Russian women know what westerners want to hear....

A friend who grew up in the USSR said the source of much of Putin's popularity among women is that he's a fantasy figure for them displaying male competence which they are starved for in real life...

watch some Russian tv / movies that they make for themselves and you might be surprised...

Gogol - horror anthology (with a season long arc) featuring a fictionalized version of the famous writer. All the men are stupid and/or useless (the titular hero tends to faint when the going gets rough) and it ends up being a power struggle between two women....

Smalltown mysteries (mysteris of Miss Kirsanova) - set in the 19th century a young women routinely shows up the local law enforcement by solving crimes. the women are all strong and the mean are all stupid and/or useless or simps (used by the heroine).

the Artist - (Ukrainian but similar) A competent but frowsy female detective finds her life turned around by the manic pixie boy transfer (an actor in disguise who regular primps his make up before a mirror)

Pay attention to real Russians in real life and you'll notice it's very far from a patriarchy...

Then it's the same crap like here where men turn their paychecks over to their wives to spend their miserly minimum wage.
Another great equalizer is the disappearing manly jobs and service jobs being the only ones available. Even factory jobs require no special strength.
With all the progress, humans are becoming like a safari pride where male lions are outnumbered by females and not really needed except for the obvious.

You just added to my depression.

@mafketis

Sounds to me like Russians are a pretty weird lot....

Get to know some well enough for them to start talking about their families.... weird doesn't begin to describe it...

LOL!

And yet Serbs like Crow want to form a Slavic alliance with these weirdos?
I don't even see Russians as Slavs.... so much of their population is not Slavonic at all.