Polish-German alliance.

A vodka for Gruni! :)

Many thanks!
I will make a snow statue for you in my garden if you like :p

if you ask me- its playing with the divil situation

Biggest Poland`s hope is.... that Ukraine and Russia solve their problems, that they consolidate as democratic powers, that Ukraine and Poland solve their opened questions, that Baltic remain at least neutral on Poland, that Czech Rep. and Slovakia strenghten and that Serbia consolidates and again increase her influence on Balkan.

All that because `devil will go mad one day` as it is always with the devils. But, with consolidated situation in her Slavic neighborhood, on her northern, eastern and south-eastern borders and with her traditional partners (Balkan Serbs) in decisively important European strategic region such is Balkan, Poland can survive and even profit, even expand her borders... after devil`s schemes collapse

Or ''the devil has no work,he bangs his children'' as we say.

Right. And remind me how did he treat the Polish minority in Germany? In stark contrast to the way the Poles treated the German minority in Poland. Nationalist in outlook yes, as nationalist as Germany not quite.

Nationalist Germany puts them on the national football team.

Anyway, if you look at all the Poles that migrated in the late 1800s, early 1900s....they're treated as...get this, Germans.

Hmmm Funny that. I thought that it was the Poles with the first modern European constitution.

First European public library

First ministry of Education in Europe

An older university, than any German university 1364 Jagiellonian universities, compared to Heidelberg 1386.

An older country

Earlier concepts of Rights and liberties and generally democratic forms of governance than Germany

Poles the civilised ones and Germans the Barbarians, Parish the thought.

Bologna?


happy 20th birthday!

Teahh Bologna is German Univeristy ...;)



Older united State I think would be better words

Of course. Received its charter from Barbarossa. And you've got Charles University in Prague as well.


Holy Roman Empire? HRE existed while the slavic tribes in Poland were still Pagan.

yeah but university was founded earlier "The true date of its founding is uncertain, but believed by most accounts to have been 1088"

Also I have to say that law schools were created there in 4th century...

I don`t think that Czech Kingdoom was german...
Yeah the university in Prague was founded by Charle but Charle was The Czech King... Am I right?:)


Everybody knows that this Emipire wasn`t exactly a state.
It was rather the union although this word is not also the "full" corect...

Interesting: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_University_in_Prague

The first recorded scholars were Pepone and Irnerio, the latter of whom was defined by the former as "lucerna iuris". With the advice of four doctores thought to be their pupils, in 1158 Federico I promulgated the Constitutio Habita, in which the University was legally declared a place where research could develop independently from any other power.

It was a place of learning in 1088, but not a university.


If you consider the house of luxembourg czech, then yes.

1)Charle was a King of Czech.
2)Prague was and is in Czech.
3) The university is and was Czech University.
Simple.

Ofcuz that kingdom of Czech was a part of Holly Roman... but As I said before it wasn`t exactly the State.

There were only 10 percent Czech students though...and the HRE ruled at that time! :)

We are talking abot university not about students...

HRE wasn`t only german. Ofcuz Germans were the majority but it wasn`t a German State .
Why ? Becouse it was Roman[b][/b] Empire. The tradition of name is older than germans tribes. HRE was very decentralized and the Emperor`s power was only symbolic...

It is mean that Charles had more power as King of Czech King of Bohemia itd. than as Empereor.

As far as Bologna is concerned Bologna even wasn`t in HRE...

Oh look:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3906253?dopt=Abstract


Heh:)


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Karl_IV

He was king of the HRE not of the Czechs....

You mean an older state organism?
You're kidding, of course.

ohh
The university in Vilnus(Wilno){Lithuenia] was foundedn by Stefan Batory ( He was King of Rzeczpospolita , King of Poland, Prince of Lithuenia)
He was also Hungarian.
Tell me now The University is Hungarian ??? Maybe Polish ??? NO is Lithuenian...
Simple as that the university in Prague is and was Czech...


You are wrong!

Anybod caould be King of HRE becouse HRE hadn`t the King. Only Emperor.
The King of Romans=/= king, emperor of HRE.

Charles was a King of Czech Kingdom. Ofcuz He was German.


Ofcuz not

Than Germany, learn to read.

Founded by a HRE King in Bohemia wich was part of the HRE with 90 percent non-czech students??? Okaaaay.... :):):)

As far as I know anything "Czech" is an artificial thing carved out of the Empires in in Europe after WW1...but you will surely see it otherwise.

*takes helmet*

[quote=jeden]Older united State I think would be better words[/quote exactly.

Germany was officially formed and unified in the 19th century.

Sure, regardless of the fact that the makeup of Prague at the time was mainly Germanic and it was ruled by a Germanic King...yes, I suppose you have a point.

Charles University is Czech, founded by a German King with overwhelmingly German speaking students and faculties. That does indeed sound like a text book example of a Czech university.


He was also king of Luxembourg, and Burgandy.


King of the Romans (German king), The emperor title was a gift from the pope.

German tribes helped to bring down the actual Roman Empire

Right, but what's your point? The HRE still existed while the slavic tribes in Poland were Pagan.


And Poland was officially formed and unified in 1990. Or do you want to go back to the commonwealth and call that Poland even though 80% of the territory doesn't match up with where Poland is on the map today...

Don't get so excited, BB. It wasn't called German University. It was called Universitas Scolarium Studii Pragensis as you can learn from the inscription on the first university seal Sigillum Universitatis Scolarium Studii Pragensis.

It wasn't called German because there were no Germany in XIV century. There were nations speaking Germanic languages called theodisc, theotisc, diutisk (origin of the later adjective deutsch) meaning folk. In XIII century there were produced only 4 000 documents in theodisc (in all dialects and flavours) while 500 000 in Latin. So how do you feel? Did they establish university to study folk language (and which dialects) or to disseminate modern knowledge and skills in Latin.

So definitely it wasn't German university neither in terms of language of lectures, nor national jurisdiction. It was called in such a style after the split was made to produce German and Czech Universities in 1860s. The problem was that insignia was still kept exclusive by German part in spite of protests by Czech part.

Clap trap, try telling the Italians that. It is not German period. "in the 19th century, a committee of historians led by Giosuè Carducci traced the founding of the University back to 1088"

marqoz

Germany was unified in the 19th century. That is when it becomes to all intents a purposes a country.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany

Formation

- Holy Roman Empire 2 February 962 - 1806
- Unification 18 January 1871
- Federal Republic 23 May 1949
- Reunification 3 October 1990

crwflags.com/FOTW/flags/de_roman.html

Flag of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation till 1401:



Bundeswappen of modern Germany:


Well, there wasn't a "Czech" either...it was a town in Bohemia, belonging to the HRE....:)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemia#History


An Empire with an army...ah ja!

Plus lotsa Germans already there:


Reminds me about Poland at the same time....the so called much talked about "eternal Drang nach Osten" seems to be some centuries of invited, peaceful of repopulation of the East after the mass murders by the Mongols...(as in Cracow) instead of something sinister...


I blame the church!
It needed a german Luther to make the main language native again...

The Italians seem to think it themselves.
eng.unibo.it/PortaleEn/University/Our+History/default.htm

The first recorded scholars were Pepone and Irnerio, the latter of whom was defined by the former as "lucerna iuris". With the advice of four doctores thought to be their pupils, in 1158 Federico I promulgated the Constitutio Habita, in which the University was legally declared a place where research could develop independently from any other power.

Geographical coincidence.


yes it was the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. So not only was it united as a country, it later managed to unify with other countries without trying to exterminate their populations.