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Polish-German alliance.


marqoz - | 195
11 Feb 2010 #421
And Poland was officially formed and unified in 1990. Or do you want to go back to the commonwealth and call that Poland even though 80% of the territory doesn't match up with where Poland is on the map today...

The most nonsensical thesis I've heard. But I suppose it's just for fun only.
But still very interesting your percentage calculations. I suppose you took 200 thousand km2 which were saved after the Germans make it possible to annex the eastern part of Poland by Soviets. And you probably divided it by 990 thousand km2 of the greatest extent of the Commonwealth at the beginning of the XVII century. Nice effect. But so what.

The Commonwealth consisted of 2 parts. The more powerful was the Kingdom of Poland. The second part was Grand Duchy of Lithuania where nobility was completely polonized. Even in early XX century the former frontier of Poland (yes!) was well known and shown in terrain by local peasants north-east of Orsha and west of Katyń.

If it wasn't Poland, so Poles are all Martians and Germans maybe from Venus.

By the way, did you try it with Holy Roman Empire in its greatest extent (Italy, Burgundy, the Netherlands) comparing to Bundesrepublik.
hague1cameron - | 85
11 Feb 2010 #422
Formation

Thanks for the info, but I already know that. you might capture my imagination by interpreting the painting of The Wanderer and linking it to the German cultural experience. My point was that by the 19th century most European countries of the same ethnicity had settled any civil conflict between each other some time ago.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #423
Thanks for the info, but I already know that.

Just for those who are not as knowledgeable as you and still think Germany hatched from an egg out of the blue only a few years back:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Germany

Bundesadler

....
Together with the Austrian coat of arms, which has the same history, it is the oldest extant state symbols of Europe and is among the oldest insignia in the world

Names can change...
jeden - | 226
11 Feb 2010 #424
You still don`t understand ....

HRE WASN`T a GERMANY....

And by the way Bochemia = Czech

And Poland was officially formed and unified in 1990

Are you liar or fool?

2)

- Holy Roman Empire 2 February 962 - 1806

So you agree with this idea :

Roman Empire 753 BC = Italy 19 century AD ???

IF yes, i have no words ;)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #425
HRE WASN`T a GERMANY...

Why do you think the HRE is called the "first Reich"??? ;)

And back then there wasn't a Czech but only a Bohemia and a Moravia...that is mainstream history, sorry...

So you agree with this idea :

Roman Empire 753 BC = Italy 19 century AD ???

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire#Legacy

The Germans more or less took over....;)

....
Several states claimed to be the Roman Empire's successors after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.
The Holy Roman Empire, an attempt to resurrect the Empire in the West, was established in 800 when Pope Leo III crowned Frankish King Charlemagne as Roman Emperoron Christmas Day, though the empire and the imperial office did not become formalised for some decades.

marqoz - | 195
11 Feb 2010 #426
I blame the church!
It needed a german Luther to make the main language native again..

Don't blame anybody. I've tried only to rectify your mem - it wasn't German university. It was Prague University or Bohemian university if you really need some country assignation. Both nations, Germans and Czechs have some title to be proud of the history of this uni and they are, as you can see in the Leipzig Universitaet (where not Czech professors migrated after Hussite coup in 1409) and Carolinum in Munich (after WW2).
jeden - | 226
11 Feb 2010 #427
"The Bohemian or Czech state emerged in the late 9th century" wiki source

there wasn't a Czech...that is mainstream history!

maybe in Germany ;)

I remember that some of Habsburgs was also the king of Jerusalem ;)
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #428
if you really need some country assignation.

The HRE is enough for me, thank you! ;)
(As it is also seen in books and encyclopedias)

maybe in Germany ;)

*wiggles finger* :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_Republic

Formation

- Principality of Bohemia c. 870
- Czechoslovakia 28 October 1918
- Czech Republic 1 January 1993

jeden - | 226
11 Feb 2010 #429
The Holy Roman Empire (HRE; German: Heiliges Römisches Reich (HRR), Latin: Imperium Romanum Sacrum (IRS)) was a union of territories in Central Europe during the Middle Ages and the Early Modern period under a Holy Roman Emperor

source wiki

even wkipedia knows that HRE wasn`t a state ;)

Let`s go the same source

The Empire's territorial extent varied over its history, but at its peak it encompassed the Kingdom of Germany, the Kingdom of Italy and the Kingdom of Burgundy; for much of its history the Empire consisted of hundreds of smaller sub-units, principalities, duchies, counties, Free Imperial Cities, as well as other domains

Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #430
even wkipedia knows that HRE wasn`t a state ;)

That's common with most Empires I think....;)

Just try to think british Empire....lotsa states between but still under one King (Queen) in London....
Or the french Empire, or the original roman Empire (that was some kind of a blue print anyhow).
jeden - | 226
11 Feb 2010 #431
I don`t think so....

Spain was a state and was an empire

United Kingdom Also etc.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #432
Oh boy! *sighs*

HRE ca. 1600

HRE ca 1600

compared to the later Empires of the Brits and French we lacked the oversees territories but very much ruled most of Europe.

Germanic law orders the parting of the heritage by the sons. Meaning what started out as an huge Empire under Charlemagne consisting of what is now Germany, France and northern Italy splitted down to more than 500 little statelets by the 1800's.

Inclusive strifes and wars....
marqoz - | 195
11 Feb 2010 #433
And by the way Bochemia = Czech

Unfortunately it is not always true.

In German and English from Latin Bohemia means the greatest region of the Czech Republic, in Czech called Čechy
cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cechy

On the other hand you have a term Česko which means the whole Czech state consisting 3 historical regions: Bohemia, Moravia and Czech Silesia.

Česko in English should be called Czechia, German Tschechien.

Poles have problem with this distinction because Polish equivalent should sound like Czeska (the same as Polska) however Poles don't use this suffix anymore. So they are using Czechy for both Čechy and the whole Česko.
jeden - | 226
11 Feb 2010 #434
Germanic law orders the parting of the heritage by the sons. Meaning what started out as an huge Empire under Charlemagne consisting of what is now Germany, France and northern Italy splitted down to more than 500 little statelets by the 1800's.

I know meaning of german law . - I am studing law.;)

Italy splitted down to more than 500 little statelets by the 1800's.

The same is with Germany.

You still don`t want to know the truth , that HRE wasn`t a state It was UNION...

Can you deny that there were a lot of German Countries???

I don`t think that you ruled most of Europe
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #435
Italy splitted down to more than 500 little statelets by the 1800's.

The same is with Germany.

That's what I said:

Meaning what started out as an huge Empire under Charlemagne consisting of what is now Germany, France and northern Italy splitted down to more than 500 little statelets by the 1800's.

You still don`t want to know the truth , that HRE wasn`t a state It was UNION...

A union as far as Empires were unions these days! ;)
marqoz - | 195
11 Feb 2010 #436
OK. BB has frozen us with all this flying eagles full of sharp beaks and nails.

Let's stop for a minute and think. The origin of the thread was Polish-German alliance.
Let's try to find some examples of it in history. It could be funny.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #437
I don`t think that you ruled most of Europe

Depends on the time frame:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Roman_Empire

Okay...not most...but much...;)

OK. BB has frozen us with all this flying eagles full of sharp beaks and nails.

Yeah! *throws helmet in air*

Let's try to find some examples of it in history. It could be funny.

There was another thread over there....about the german history in Cracow. It seems that whenever Poles and Germans lived and worked peacefully together we both flourished...
hague1cameron - | 85
11 Feb 2010 #438
This is slightly of topic and i I apologise, however I would like to know what is Bratwurst Boy’s opinion on current German politics. How do you view the CDU-FDP alliance, how would you rate the cabinet? Will Gesine Schwan run for the presidency again? If you're listening.
jeden - | 226
11 Feb 2010 #439
1)OK BB We won`t agree with some issues. Everybody know that your nation was/is great...
had great philospohers, writers etc.

Poland and German states

;) lived in peace for very long time.

I think from 1525 (
The Prussian Homage or Tribute ) to 1772.

Okay...not most...but much...;)

I agree
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #440
This is slightly of topic and i I apologise, however I would like to know what is Bratwurst Boy's opinion on current German politics.

ugh

How do you view the CDU-FDP alliance

The whole country is disappointed by the FDP and if they don't shape up quick I can't see them last.
They are now down to barely 8 percent I've read...Westerwelle becomes genuinely disliked all around.

Will Gesine Schwan run for the presidency again?

Gesine Schwan has no chance against Köhler and never will have...She better forgets about it soon.
Köhler earned the respect of most of the Germans regardless the politic affiliation.

how would you rate the cabinet?

Most people are quite confused about this cabinet and wish the old gov back...seriously..
marqoz - | 195
11 Feb 2010 #441
Yeah! *throws helmet in air*

Beware! You can hit an eagle flying.

And that's it. The more Germans think about themselves as a great monolithic nation, the lesser their possessions become as an effect.

Helmets hit the eagle???
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #442
The more Germans think about themselves as a great monolithic nation, the lesser their possessions become as an effect.

Nah...we are well on our way to become Europeans...of german extraction. :)
After all we have the HRE to fall back on! :):):)
hague1cameron - | 85
11 Feb 2010 #443
ugh

don't you take an interest in German politics? Given that Schwan speaks Polish a closer alliance is not out of the question.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #444
Given that Schwan speaks Polish a closer alliance is not out of the question.

I know she is big on Poland but she doesn't hit well off with the Germans...and then...she had to go up against Köhler who is highly admired and respected.
convex 20 | 3,978
11 Feb 2010 #445
Let's stop for a minute and think. The origin of the thread was Polish-German alliance.
Let's try to find some examples of it in history. It could be funny.

The Poles as a people, or as a nation?

As a nation...

When Poles and Germans invaded the Czech Republic in '68? :)

ISAF is a bit more recent. Even though Germany and Poland are parts of different commands.
hague1cameron - | 85
11 Feb 2010 #446
Most people are quite confused about this cabinet and wish the old gov back...seriously..

But the old Gov was almost a polar opposite, surely the current Gov has more in common.

can Kohler serve for more that 2 terms, or is this his 1st.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #447
But the old Gov was almost a polar opposite, surely the current Gov has more in common.

Yes...the german electorate (most of it that is) thought so too...we all now look on and wonder in despair!

can Kohler serve for more that 2 terms, or is this his 1st.

He can not be reelected again....(he is in for further 4 years though)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_Germany
hague1cameron - | 85
11 Feb 2010 #448
Thanks for that. And good night people, it's 1:07 am here, i need a break.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,193
11 Feb 2010 #449
can Kohler serve for more that 2 terms, or is this his 1st.

It's his second and last term already.....I have to correct myself here, if Mrs. Schwan want's to run again for office she could try in 4 years.

'night! :)
marqoz - | 195
11 Feb 2010 #450
Nah...we are well on our way to become Europeans...of german extraction. :)

It would be better, anyway, than earlier less pacifist attempts.
However it doesn't seem to match the reality now.
More procreational power would be needed ;-)
...Or you have in mind some support from more 'productive' ethnoses of your Turk-Arabian-Kurdish co-patriots, developing Europeanness to some new yet higher levels of evanescence.

After all we have the HRE to fall back on! :):):)

No need for. You are already in. On the captain's bridge of Un-holy Empire. ;)


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