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Polish conscripts to German army


Paulina Activity: 8 / 1,344
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22 Dec 2014  #91

she wouldn't let him

Do you know why?

I will get in touch with my auntie and see what he has told her.

Good idea :)

Btw, Hughey, if your grandfather took part in the battle of Monte Cassino you could show him the lyrics of this song: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Poppies_on_Monte_Cassino

It's a famous song in Poland.

The lyrics:
tekstowo.pl/piosenka,edyta_geppert,czerwone_maki_na_monte_cassino.html

The song:



Harry Activity: 65 / 12,658
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22 Dec 2014  #92

I'd like to get hold of his service records from both German

For the German records you need to get in touch with Deutsche Dienststelle, they have records about persons who served in the German armed forces.
Jean-Loup  
25 Dec 2014  #93

Hughey, your grandfather will probably be able to tell you much more then anything that can be found in the archives. The archives will only have technical info such as units sevred in, dates of transfer, etc. I would advise you to sit down with your grand dad and do a recorded interview with him. I have done so with many veterans who supposedly did not want to talk about the war, and with very good results. It is important family history, and important history.

As was metioned in a previous post, I wrote a book about the liberation of the region of Nice, southern France, in August 1944. The book contains a lot of information about German Reserve Division 148, whose recruiting area was in Sileasia. Most of the "German" soldiers in the unit were from Kattowitz, Hindenburg, Tarnowitz, Bytom, Zabrze, etc. I found a grave containing the bodies of 14 soldiers from the unit. Of the 8 identified, none were from Germany proper. Anybody who is a family member of a Pole who may have been a member of Reserve Division 148 in southern France is welcome to contact me: schyzowolf@yahoo.fr

For more about finding the missing soldiers (see Villeneuve-Loubet grave) and about my book: autopsyofabattle.blogspot.com battlefieldarchaeology.blogspot.com
pipco Activity: - / 1
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1 Jun 2015  #94

dh2z

I've just seen your 2013 posting about your father. I've also reveived my father's war records from the MOD and was surprised to see that he served in the German army. Like your father he was captured by the allies and immediately switched to Polish forces under British command, fighting at River Senio and the Battle of Bologna/Lombardy Plain.

The MOD also sent me his medals and his German solbuch, as well as numerous documents written in Polish. He died when I was quite young and my late mother believed that he fought at Monte Casino; if that were true he must have been on the German side at the time, judging by the dates supplied.

I followed his trail on demobilisation to a farm in the Scottish borders but, although a daughter of the farm owner remembered Polish soldiers there as a child, she didn't recall any names.

The soldbuch contains several loose photos, presumably of colleagues in the German army. As they both fought in the same place at the same time, might there be a small chance that they may have known each other?

In any case, I'd be very interested to hear if you found answers to any of your questions.
CS!11  
14 Jul 2015  #95

Dear all who have posted on here. I realise that these posts are now quite old, however, I am a research student, looking into the experiences of Polish soldiers in the Wehrmacht during WWII. Would anyone be interested in speaking with me regarding these events?
chris smith  
27 Oct 2015  #96

henrich guziolk ss ahl 1941

henrich guziolk ss Sturmmann Liebstandarte A. H . 1 pionier grenadier regiment.1 1943
Marilynhooper10  
15 Jan 2016  #97

My father was conscripted into the German Army in 1943.
I have received his military records from the Dienstelle but they are very vague- they say he was with 9 Kompanie 11 Batallion Fleiger-Regiment 71 which was also called Regiment Kapuste after Commander Gotthardt Kapuste and stationed in France.

Does anyone have any information on this Regiment please?
Also he was captured by the Americans at Gladbach in March 1945- I assume this was during a fighting retreat but this is just a wild guess.

Please can anyone help me with information?
Roger5 Activity: 1 / 1,221
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15 Jan 2016  #98

Regiment Kapuste

Was he one of the top brassicas?
Harry Activity: 65 / 12,658
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15 Jan 2016  #99

Please can anyone help me with information?

You aren't really asking in the best of places. A far better source of information will be axishistory.com, which also has a very good forum with some extremely knowledgeable posters: forum.axishistory.com
TheOther Activity: 5 / 2,796
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15 Jan 2016  #100

Does anyone have any information on this Regiment please?

These are the experts (don't get fooled by the main page by the way, they are NOT Nazis):
forum-der-wehrmacht.de/
Marilynhooper10  
16 Jan 2016  #101

Thank you all for your responses-
He was not a top brassica,Roger 5.
I shall take onboard all your suggestions.
etomecki  
23 Feb 2016  #102

My father Karol Tomecki was from Imielin, near Katowice. He was conscripted in the German army and, from the little I know, he was part of a Panzer division. My father died in 1981. One fact about his war record I do recall is that he was sent to Bulgaria with his tank unit. Would the Dienststelle website be the contact for his army record? When the war ended he was in a displaced people's camp where he met and married my mom, who herself had been shipped to Germany from Wietlin, near Jaroslaw, to work on a farm in Bavaria, then escaped to be caught and, fortunately, was spared a worse fate by being sent to work in a small gasthaus or inn (a restaurant/hotel) in Bavaria, somewhere near the town of Amberg. As kids my sister and I had little interest in learning about their past. Now that they are gone, we'd love to piece together the story on behalf of grandkids. Thanks for any help. Elisabeth
TheOther Activity: 5 / 2,796
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24 Feb 2016  #103

Would the Dienststelle website be the contact for his army record?

Yes, the Deutsche Dienststelle (WASt) in Berlin is the one to contact. If the records have not been lost during the war, they might send you a whole bunch of document copies and other information about your father. Just be prepared to wait over a year for a response. They are extremely busy.
etomecki  
24 Feb 2016  #104

Thank you, The Other. I am prepared to wait. Would you know if there is a like database that would record when (1939 or after Germany re-occupied the area in 1941) my mother was "conscripted" as a forced laborer in Germany and where she was placed. We'd love an opportunity to visit the area. Thanks again. Elisabeth
TheOther Activity: 5 / 2,796
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24 Feb 2016  #105

Elisabeth, I'm not aware of any public database that allows you to trace your mother, but there are plenty of web sites out there which might be of help. I would try the first one below for a more specific search, and the second one for some background information.

bundesarchiv.de/zwangsarbeit/haftstaetten/index.php.en?tab=1
zwangsarbeit-archiv.de/en/links/index.html

Good luck!
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25 Feb 2016  #106

Harvey Sarner in his book about Anders Army, General Anders and the Soldiers of the Second Polish Corps (1997), noted that II Polish Corps was resupplied with Polish conscripts from German POW camps in the tens of thousands. This was compelled by the break with the Soviets which eliminated recruits from the East. Since these soldiers had served in Wehrmacht they were in danger of being shot at deserters if they were recognized as such. So, it is not surprising that some used assumed or borrowed identities. However, once the tide turned against the Nazis, many found that risk preferable to being viewed as Nazi collaborators at the end of the war. It was so successful that by the time II Polish Corps was demobilized, it had a "surplus" of soldiers in excess of the limit that the Brits had placed on it. Norman Davies has also recently released a book about the Second Polish Corps Trail of Hope: The Anders Army - An Odyssey Across Three Continents (2015)
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25 Feb 2016  #107

My grandfather was with the Luftwaffe, and some other family members were with the Wehrmacht. Non of them told me they had ever seen a Pole serving in their lines. I know some were..but the numbers were small.

V/R
Lab
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25 Feb 2016  #108

Officially, the Germans didn't recognize that they were ethnic Poles. Post-war academics have generally attempted to divide RP II 's population into somewhat arbitrary ethnic groups by religion and language without acknowledging that many were "transitional" people who could assimilate into the population on the other side of the border. They rarely were given a choice to "vote with their feet" by either the Nazis or the Soviets, who assigned them an ethnicity to further their territorial ambitions and claims. Anders' Army was the one notable exception, but even then, the Soviets took a very restrictive view of whom they declared to be Polish, and thus permitted to fight under Polish command. The Polish graveyard at Monte Casino has quite a few Jewish Star of David's, as well as Orthodox and Greek Catholic crosses bearing witness to the religious diversity of the Poles from the Kresy.
dh2z Activity: - / 5
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22 Mar 2016  #109

Hi pipco

Not found anything else - I do have all records from when he was incorporated into Anders army and his resettlement to the UK in the PSC - includes the Doncaster mill that I have seen mentioned, and his Alians order.
Schmokky  
12 Jan 2017  #110

My dad was likewise drafted into the German army on his 18th birthday in 1943. Immediately upon the invasion in 1939, Eastern Poland had simply become German with German teachers, road signs etc. He had the good fortune to be sent West and not to the Russian front and he served somewhere near Arras (FR), mainly as sentry to stop coal and fuel being pinched. He was just a kid off the farm but the older Poles told him that when the invasion came, as everyone knew it would, they would all escape and surrender to the allies. They also listened to a clandestine radio which also presumably urged them to do this. He survived interrogation when the radio was discovered, the Ardennenoffensif (as he called it), the allied offensive and the fire of the Canadians before they were seen as surrendering. He was finally taken to a POW camp in Scotland where the treatment was pretty awful. It was then that General Anders, running out of men in Italy, suggested inviting the captured Poles to join the Polish 2nd Corps. My dad remembered that heŽd never seen so much food as appeared once theyŽd agreed to fight. He was given a new name and id (in case of capture by the Germans) and was immediately trained to be a motorcycle dispatch rider. He carried orders from the rear to the front line in Italy and was both wounded and commended before the end of hostilities, a stint enjoying post war Italy and his return to the UK. He was advised by his family not to return to Poland and was, thankfully, allowed to settle in the UK where he was demobbed in 1947. Unfortunately, while we remember his many stories, we never wrote them down. They would have made a great book. His name was Jan Szamocki and, in 2 Corps, it was Jan Polachowski.




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