Polish attitudes towards ex-Soviet republics joining NATO

"Too late, unfortunately. They got rid of them in 1990s. They were naive when they believed not only the Kremlin but also the West which vowed the protection of Ukraine`s independence and integrity.

@ pawian"

sort of like Polish people are naive today to believe kaczynski an duda by sucking up to americans nato would protect them?

Yes,. exactly. The only possible option for Poland to deter Russian invasion is to integrate further with the European West so that we become a fully European country.

Which is crap militarily (except maybe the UK).... so that leaves NATO or subjugation to Russia (Russia doesn't do partnership or allies - it's held at bay or dominates).

Yes, I know. :):) By integration I meant sth else, maf.

"Yes,. exactly. The only possible option for Poland to deter Russian invasion is to integrate further with the European West so that we become a fully European country."

whwt makes you think if it came down to it poland wouldnt be treated like ukraine or like it was at yalta? why would wmerica a country thwt makes fun of poland in popular culture and full of jews in power eho dislike poland and its right wing racist politics treat it any different than ukraine or the way it did in 45? a country like poland no one cares or talks about especially in us media unless it has to do with racism or anti jewish pogroms is going to help it? a non diverse country in the wge of metoo and camcel cukture and ven biden supporting blakc lives matter? Kamala Harris would make sure if or when she finds out just hownright wing and racist polish people wre wnd their govt they would be left in the dust lol. she would make sure of it wnd blakc loves matter would too.

Something irrelevant. The only thing that keeps Russia in check is the threat of brute force. It's really the only thing they understand.

Kamala Harris would make sure if or when she finds out just hownright wing and racist polish people wre wnd their govt they would be left in the dust lol. she would make sure of it and black lives matter would too. oh wnd especiwlly once she finds out poland was trump's puppet a puppet state of trump full of antisemites and racists and no diversity due to kicking out jews in 68. usa would never support such a country officially and under any non trump govt.

No, it is more complicated, Horatio, than you can dream of in your philosophy. As an Am, you don`t know everything about relations between Slavic nations. You have spent here too little l time to grasp all nuances.

The Russian state (which is what I mean by "Russia") is not really a "Slavic nation"... it's an aggressively expansionist empire and there are extremely few examples of it ever being a good neighbor or reliable ally and lots of examples of it acting in an awful way.

The Russian (ethnic Russian) people are a different question. Most of them are mostly fine people (just apathetic politically).

Integrating (how?) with "Europe" will never deter Russian aggression against Poland - only the prospect of massive resistance (which only NATO can deliver) will.

WTF? Are you lefties all retarded? It like EU brass, sure the EU has problems caused by the EU to remedy that they prescribe much more of the same and faster. Either you are full of it and just make some stuff as you go along or you are retarded. What is your angle>? Why would you lie? Who would buy into it?

Anyway explain how EU would defend Poland from an invasion? With what army?

Also Poland had been an European country from the start. Doesn't need to become one


What do you mean?

Do you want NATO dissolved? Its fine with us too!!! Since its our tax dollars thats paying for Euros defense, while weasel Germany refuses and cheats not to pay its own way! Cool! We dont have to defend the Leftard Eurotards anymore!! LOLOL

There is an equally important leverage as the military - economic. The West can boycot Russia economically with quite good results. I mean total boycot. They only need to be motivated enough. What will their motivation be like if Poland is threatened? Will they all stand up for us like they would for, let`s say, Germany?

@pawian

Biden has already backed down to threats by Putin by recalling his destroyers..... weak leadership from Biden.

Lucky for Russia, there is China that can wreak havoc with the US dollar and bonds.

Yes, but Russian trade with Western Europe exceeds that with China. Besides, the Chinese will demand Siberia for their own colonization one day so if I were the Kremlin, I wouldn`t rely on them so much.

You can't argue from both directions. China would come in when Russia is boycotted and, therefore, there is no trade.

Really?
I haven't checked it out yet, but I find that very hard to believe.

Don`t be such a Doubting Thomas. Here you are :
statista.com/statistics/1100708/russia-leading-foreign-trade-partners-by-volume/

I have checked this out and that is true, but Western Europe is not a country.

If you look at countries, China is their main export partner.

You are twisting the facts.Again.

yes, it is.


How can I twist anything if you said it was true??? Sorry, but your thinking lacks logic.

Your 'thinking' just a wishful thinking based on a thin air.
So, I was right in saying you are a moron that jeopardies Poland's interests and security for some high strung dreams that have nothing to do with reality and everything with you being a simpleton.

No, you never said it before, you are making things up as usual. ):)
Actually, it is you whom we always suspected of being the Kremlin mole in the forum for your fascist views, so harmful to Polish interests. E.g, you have always claimed that Poland should retrieve the lands which once used to be Polish and now belong to Ukraine. That is a real nutter`s idea or Kremlin agent`s. Simple.

I did, many times, I haven't put it all in a one sentence before that's all,.


Yep, you are a simple simpleton and a whole new level of stupid. You are unable to formulate even a basic argument to support your opinion.

That's the first thing you notice about leftists. They can't answer the first question to justify what they push. They ignore it, twist it, turn it into a hahahaha joke, or just play stupid.

Because your questions are senseless and completely irrelevant - I have seen it many times here.. You formulate them such to make the answer impossible on purpose. E..g, while buying a second hand car, you ask "How old was the granny of the owner when she died? " Who cares about such details???


That rant always reminds of that song by Perfect. It is a good description of your activity here: Bla Bla Bla.

No.
My questions are: What rate of abortions would be alarming? How many refugees would be too many? Can society with 20% gays be viable? Stuff like that...

Grannies never made it to my list.