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Trying to find town of origin, Dubrawska name


Kimberly
7 Apr 2024 #1
I have been working on my Great Grandmother's genealogy. Her name was Eleonora Dubrawska SAS. She was born in Poland in 1851 (the family story places her near Krakow). She died in Italy and the Italianized interpretation of the town is listed on her death certificate as Camiliec. The only other information I have is that she had some nobility. Her father's name was Michal Dubrawski SAS. Another genealogist found his name listed in a book titled: Materialy do genealogii

szlachty galicyjskiej. In order to follow up on this, I need additional information. The book listed the family nobility being confirmed by halicki sad grodzki r. 1782. In another portion of the book, the listing has his name and other names associated: 1240. DUBRAWSKI h. Sas Michal 1. Franciszek i Marianna z Broszniowskich, 2 Jerzy i Katarzyna z Przedborowskich; 3. Jan i Zofia z Zoledziowskich.

Leg: Halicki Sad Grodzki 1782.

Will any of this information narrow down a location for me? I know the nobility was fairly common. I am just trying to find a lead for records.
jon357
8 Apr 2024 #2
Camiliec

There's a Kamiliew however it's near Plock.
Kimberly
8 Apr 2024 #3
@jon357 I have nothing that ties them to that area but thanks for the response.
Paulina
8 Apr 2024 #4
the Italianized interpretation of the town is listed on her death certificate as Camiliec

There doesn't seem to be any place called "Kamilec" or "Kamielec" in Poland and the way it's spelled ("Kamiliec") could suggest Eastern-European origin. There's a city in Ukraine that was part of Poland in the past which is called Kamieniec Podolski, which I've seen on some Russian sites written as "Камелец-Подольский" (Kamieliec-Podolskij") for some reason, so maybe it's some bad case of misspelling a name...

The only place name remotely similar in Poland seems to be a village "Kamieniec":

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamieniec_(wojew%C3%B3dztwo_dolno%C5%9Bl%C4%85skie)

There's a Kamiliew

Kamilew
Alien
8 Apr 2024 #5
There doesn't seem to be any place called "Kamilec" or "Kamielec" in Poland

But there is Kamieniec and quite often.
Paulina
8 Apr 2024 #6
@Alien, I know, I wrote about it in my post, in case you managed to miss it...

and quite often

Could you say where they are then? I've managed to find another one:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamieniec_(wojew%C3%B3dztwo_warmi%C5%84sko-mazurskie)

...and Kamieniec Ząbkowicki, but that's it:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamieniec_Z%C4%85bkowicki
Alien
8 Apr 2024 #7
Could you say where they are then?

Kamieniec Pomorski or Kamieniec Wrocławski as examples.
Paulina
8 Apr 2024 #8
@Alien, thanks, that's rather far away from Galicia though...

halicki sad grodzki r. 1782.

Btw, the halicki region is in Ukraine now (it used to be in Poland in the past).
Paulina
8 Apr 2024 #9
And halicki region is part of historical Galicia:

Materialy do genealogii szlachty galicyjskiej.

Paulina
8 Apr 2024 #10
SAS

According to Polish Wikipedia the first members of this coat of arms appeared in Ruś Halicka (more or less the area of Red Ruthenia, I guess) in 1359.

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ksi%C4%99stwo_halicko-wo%C5%82y%C5%84skie
Kimberly
9 Apr 2024 #11
Thank you all for the input. Polish genealogy is certainly not for the faint of heart!
Kimberly
9 Apr 2024 #12
@Paulina
Yes, I have started expanding my search to include this area. Never occurred to me to look in the Ukraine and Russia. Amazing where genealogy will take you.


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