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Seeking Czarniecki family members and ancestors from Lublin, also Margiewicz, Danilowicz and Andrulewicz


polonius 54 | 420
22 Mar 2013 #31
Germans and Jews named Schwarz (under whatever spelling) sometimes translated it to something like Czarnecki when they did not wish to broadcast their ethnicity.
Nickidewbear 23 | 578
24 Mar 2013 #32
Maybe we did? I don't know. I don't have us past the 1800s. We were Czerneckis and Czarneckis from Lipsk and Warszawa (why we moved to Northeast Poland from Warszawa has me beat. I understand the Andrulewiczes moving from Lithuania. My guess is that the further south in Poland and the closer to Slovakia one was meant more persecution. The Foczkos moved to Zlata Idka and Kosice once they converted.).

Merged: About Franciszek "Goral" Andrulewicz: What does this say?

About my cousin:
ojczyzna-suwalszczyzna.pl/?p=120
Magdalena 3 | 1,837
2 May 2014 #33
I can find only one sentence about him in the text (overall, it concerns the infiltration of the Polish guerrilla organisations in the Suwałki region during WW2 by the Gestapo, and talks about the people who were killed or arrested as a result).

The sentence is: "W walce z gestapowską obławą stracił dwóch wartościowych partyzantów, kaprala podchorążego Stefana Bujnowskiego, ps. "Biały" oraz Tadeusza Mikłaszewicza, ps. "Tońcio" z wsi Kukle, oprócz zabitych był także ciężko ranny w brzuch Franciszek Andrulewicz, ps. "Góral". "

Which means that Franciszek Andrulewicz was a Polish underground fighter in a guerrilla group and was wounded in the stomach during a Gestapo raid.
Polishjew
28 Jun 2017 #35
My grandparents owned a bar in Mt Carmel Pennsylvania and their name was Edward and Catherine Andrulewicz. I'm looking for family to connect with. I want to return to Israel because I believe I'm Jewish. Contact me at Protouchpaintingllc@gmail
auntnerm
24 Jan 2018 #36
@Guest
Looking for the correct birth date of Pawel CZerniecki (Czarnecki) Listed as 1843 birth died 1925, Poland However, his son Antoni is listed as being born 1840 died 1904 Poland. Someone has posted the wrong birth. Can anyone correct?
auntnerm
24 Jan 2018 #37
Looking for the correct birthdate on either Antoni Czerniecki born in Poland and died in Poland 1840-1904 and his father Pawel born 1843 and died 1925 Poland.There appears to be a discrepancy in their birth dates. Antoni is listed as the son of Pawel. Thanks
Nickidewbear 23 | 578
2 Dec 2019 #38
Merged:

Needing Help Finding Great-Great-Grandma Czerniecki (z Andrulewiczów)'s Birth Record



She was born on June 26, 1882 in Bose (or so she claimed, though the claim about being born on June 26, 1882 checks out because of her cousin Shmuil ben Movsha Morgovich dying in Merkinė, Lithuania on April 4, 1882 of tuberculosis. Her parents, an Andrulewicz [a kohen] and a Andrulewiczówa z Margiewiczów, or at least Margevičiūtė whom Polonized her name later). I still can't find her record or any other pertinent info than I've found. Can someone please help me find the record (which I've tried to find to no avail)? Thank you so much.

PS Since both Merkinė and Bose were in the Pale, [url=jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-pale-of-settlement]they would not have needed permission to legally enter Bose[/url].
kaprys 2 | 1,914
2 Dec 2019 #39
What's the exact location of Bose?
Did you get any help from Jewish geneaological groups?
As much as I would like to helpful you, the reality is that you're asking for Jewish records from Imperial Russia from what appears to be present day Lithuania on a Polish forum.
jon357 63 | 14,254
2 Dec 2019 #40
NEEDING HELP

Did you get a DNA test in the end? Ancestry.com brings up any distant relatives that have also had them; you may find they have already done a lot of the research that you're trying to do.
Nickidewbear 23 | 578
2 Dec 2019 #41
What's the exact location of Bose?

Bose is in modern-day Gmina Sejny, and it was in Gubernia Suwalski from 1866 on. Also, the DNA test sort of helps and sort of does not help, since I'm mixed and a lot of Jewish atDNA currently shows up as Eastern European on Ancestry.com. Additionally, I got some matches, though some of the relationships are quite a bit misestimated. e.g.,

1) Kevin Czarnecki [Granduncle Tony's son, unless he's the other Kevin. In that case, he'd still be a once-removed cousin, given that Granduncle Red would be his grandfather and Robert, Sr. his son.]

2nd-3rd Cousin [Actually, once-removed first cousin either way.]
Shared DNA: 229 cM across 9 segments
No Trees
Father's Side
Add to group

2) Stephen Czarnecki [Granduncle Tony's son.]
2nd-3rd Cousin
Shared DNA: 278 cM across 18 segments
No Trees
Father's Side
Add to group

3) Chris Horoschak [Great-Grandaunt Celia's grandson through her daughter Alexandria "Sandy" Horoschak.]
4th-6th Cousin [Actually, once-removed second cousin. Sandy is Pop-Pop's cousin, and thus Chris is Dad's second cousin.]
Shared DNA: 59 cM across 6 segments
No Trees
Father's Side
Add to group

I forgot why Chris got some matches to some Trudnaks outside of the Czarnecki Trudnaks at first, by the way: Valerie Czarnecki married Great-Grandma Czarnecki (nee Trudnak)'s brother John.
kaprys 2 | 1,914
3 Dec 2019 #42
Ok, since you can't find anything online have you contacted the state archives in Suwałki?
Nickidewbear 23 | 578
6 Dec 2019 #43
I just did (Thank you for the suggestion :-) ) two days ago.. I'm still waiting for an answer for them.
kaprys 2 | 1,914
6 Dec 2019 #44
@Nickidewbear
It may take a while. I waited for about 2 months after my application and they didn't find everything I asked for.
Nickidewbear 23 | 578
4 hrs ago #45
Good point. I've actually had the same experience when I've contacted them in the past, and the one at the national branch said that Bose was in Berzniki Parish. I got the same erroneous explanation with Great-Granddad's birth record. Basia on PolishForums later told me that it was in Sejny Parish (and based on the record either way, they became Anusim after the Farber-Kogan incident...which went really well with his ba'alei-teshuvah paternal grandparents 🤦🏽‍♀️!).
Nickidewbear 23 | 578
4 hrs ago #46
PS Re something that Magdalena stated a while back:

The sentence [that she translated]...means that Franciszek Andrulewicz was a Polish underground fighter...and...wounded in the stomach during a Gestapo raid.

He was murdered by the Soviets. His father Wincenty, z"l v'HY"D (as I subsequently found out) was the one murdered during the German part of the Holocaust, and both Franciszek and Janina (z"l v'HY"D) became resistance fighters as a result of their father's good influence.
kaprys 2 | 1,914
4 hrs ago #47
@Nickidewbear
Check all the clues. Don't assume anything. Just check the records.

As for ww2, the surname appears at straty.pl but I don't know if they're your family.
straty.pl/pl/szukaj
kaprys 2 | 1,914
4 hrs ago #48
As for the Arolsen Archives, there's only one result for Andrulewicz online but I don't know if he's your family.
collections.arolsen-archives.org/search/?p=1&s=Andrulewicz
Nickidewbear 23 | 578
3 hrs ago #49
@Nickidewbear
Check all the clues. Don't assume anything. Just check the records.

As for ww2, the surname appears at straty.pl...

I didn't know why they'd converted before. I'd known about some of the other circumstances. Then I found out about the Farber-Kogan Incident (which the Anti Semites later tried to use as an excuse for the Belostok Pogroms). As for Franciszek Andrulewicz et. al., I'm not sure of the exact relation perse other than that we're all Andrulewiczes (as far as Andrulewicz, I still have no idea whether we carried that name from Sefarad or wherever else and then Balticized it to "Andrulevicus", or we took it when surnames were required or short of required. Based on that some konwersji family had used forms of it beforehand and the given name "Kasis", my guess is that we carried it over. I also have no idea as to whether it comes from an average kohen named "Andreas" or a prominent kohen.)
Nickidewbear 23 | 578
3 hrs ago #50
As for the Arolsen Archives, there's only one result for Andrulewicz online but I don't know if he's your family.
collections.arolsen-archives.org/search/?p=1&s=Andrulewicz

Various sides went by several variants (even "Andreylowicus"). PS I had no idea that we had so many kedoshim and nitzolim within the family. Thank you for pointing me to all of this.


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