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Common surnames in Poland NOT of Polish origin ?



TheOther 5 | 2,921    
19 May 2017  #61

Nothing at all comes up for that surname on familysearch.org or other sites.

There's a marriage record from Cuyahoga, Ohio, which lists a Rebecca Froudist:

familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3AFroudist~


Dorota2017Perth    
19 May 2017  #62

@TheOther
Thank you for this. Yes we had come across Rebecca Froudist. Your link has provided us with a bit more information which is terrific.
TheOther 5 | 2,921    
19 May 2017  #63

Can you tell as a little bit more about your parents? Where did they live in Poland? Warsaw? Were they Jewish, catholic or protestant? That's very important if you want to ever find your ancestors.
Dorota2017Perth    
20 May 2017  #64

My father I have only recently learned was Jewish ! Dad lived in Warsaw. My mother lived in Novogrodek. My mum is still alive and is Catholic. Dad converted to Catholicism because of Mum and became a devout Catholic.
Dorota2017Perth    
20 May 2017  #65

There is also a listing of Refugees from the Vilna Refugees Archive which we recently came across. #1339 Froudist Mirjam-Margarette Korenberg 1902 Michalin and Froudist Chaskiel Warszawa 1902 Warszawa. My father was born in 1902 (not 1901 as I previously had stated). We haven't a clue who this Mirjam-Margarette is ?
Dorota2017Perth    
20 May 2017  #66

Yes we do... she would be my father's first wife.
TheOther 5 | 2,921    
20 May 2017  #67

Could it be that there was a typo in the refugee listing of the Vilna archive and the maiden name of Mirjam-Margarette was Kronenberg or Kronberg(er), or that her first name was actually Miriam?

Here's one Miriam Korenberg (and there's another one mentioned in the record):
familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AMiriam~%20%2Bsurname%3AKorenberg
Dorota2017Perth    
2 days ago  #68

@TheOther
This is the only reference we've ever read regarding my father's first wife. We just don't know if the spelling is correct or not. Thank you for taking the time to do your own research. It's very much appreciated.
TheOther 5 | 2,921    
2 days ago  #69

Froudist Chaskiel Warszawa 1902

Have you seen this already?

yvng.yadvashem.org/nameDetails.html?itemId=6680943&language=en
Dorota2017Perth    
1 day ago  #70

@TheOther

No I have not seen this website. It's in the process of being completed, so no way to start doing a search. I have added this link though to our ever growing list. I
Chemikiem 4 | 863    
1 day ago  #71

Froudist Chaskiel Warszawa 1902 Warszawa.

If he is a person of interest to you, also look for him under the name Henryk, his other given name, as well as Chaskiel. He is the first Froudist listed on TheOther's previous link, using the initial H:-

polishresettlementcampsintheuk.co.uk/passengerlist/dorsetshire1951sep.htm
Dorota2017Perth    
1 day ago  #72

polishresettlementcampsintheuk.co.uk/passengerlist/dorsetshire1951sep.htm

@Chemikiem
Yes we've seen that. Thanks anyway. That list shows my Father and Mother and two older sisters and a brother. My older siblings were born in the what was called the Belgium Congo. Then they left that settlement (my father was in charge of a Polish refugees at a camp in Koja) and sailed to Liverpool England, before resettling here in Australia. We just can't get any solid information about my father's family before the second world war. The name Rebecca Froudist that has suddenly appeared in 1928 in Ohio marriage records is now a new lead. But between 1928 and WW2 there's nothing and before 1928 nothing. Where on earth has this Rebecca Froudist come from ??? She was listed as the mother of Paul J Dorfman who got married in 1928. Which means Rebecca was probably born late 1800's as her son Paul J Dorfman was 27 in 1928... this wedding was in Ohio !!
Chemikiem 4 | 863    
1 day ago  #73

Where on earth has this Rebecca Froudist come from ???

If I'm right she came from Poland and was born in 1879. Have a look at these entries on familysearch.org for her son Paul J Dorfman.

familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22paul%20j%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Adorfman~

The second listing shows the marriage of Paul J Dorfman to Vera Kaplan in 1928, and lists Rebecca Froudist as the mother, and Hyman as the father. No surname is recorded, but it would have to be Dorfman I'm guessing! Birth year is estimated for Paul and his wife.

familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2Q7K-8TL

I don't like to second guess anything regarding genealogy, but I don't think the first entry on that list can be ignored. It is from the 1930 Census, two years after the 1928 Ohio marriage. It lists a Paul J Dorfman as living in Chicago, with a father named as Hyman Dorfman, a mother named as Rebecka Dorfman, and a Vera Dorfman listed as daughter-in-law to the head of the family Hyman. If it is not them, then it would be one hell of a coincidence having all three relevant names in 2 different families.

The record gives Rebecka as being born in Poland and her age as 51, which would give an 1879 birth date. Hyman is listed as being born in Romania. Immigration year is given as 1910.

familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSGK-KFD

You may already have seen my next link which is in regard to Henry Proudist, but I thought you might find it interesting if you haven't. One of his paintings is up for auction in Australia. At the bottom of the page is a link to more of his work. The painting comes from the Miriam Stannage estate ( well known Australian artist who died last year ). I read a little about her, and it appears she went to evening classes with Henry.

invaluable.co.uk/auction-lot/henry-froudist-untitled-meeting-ink-and-water-137-c-bad4ed5872

I have also found a 1952 passenger listing for Froudist ( presumably Henry ). Location given is Fremantle, Western Australia.

search.findmypast.co.uk/search/united-states-and-canada-records/passenger-lists-leaving-uk-1890-1960?shipname=largs%20bay&o=firstname&d=asc&page=1
Dorota2017Perth    
16 hours ago  #74

Oh thank you so much. My mind is all over the place now with so many new bits of information. My father was a very well known artist here in Perth, Western Australia. Miriam Stannage, my mother's dearest friend, passed away last year. She had some of my fathers work. She always made reference to my father in her books and exhibitions as she credits dad with so much of why art was so important to her. He taught and mentored many very highly respected artists here in Australia. He has permanent pieces exhibited at the Art Gallery of WA. He was also commissioned to do a portrait of one of our Prime Ministers (John Curtain) which has been on display at Parliament House for decades now.

Chemikiem
I really appreciate the time you have spent helping us. I will slowly sift through all the information. It's now becoming really like we might find some connections to extended family. We always sort of felt like orphans. I had only ever known my aunty (deceased) (my mums sister) and Grandfather (deceased) (my mums side) and that's it. No other family members other than my siblings and my immediate cousins. So many questions left unanswered and out of respect to my father we have made it a life long ambition to find some of his lost family. DNA might then be the next step.




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