Why are some Polish people dark complected, and others very light

They also murdered countless hundreds of thousands of Assyrian Christians and Greeks. Now as for this remark.


No the Turks are as filthy now as they were back then. Unlike the Germans whom I have no great love for (or at least I don't for the Lutheran Prussian variety) they have at least admitted and apologised for their attrocities and paid some restitution. Be it to the Jews, Poland and elsewhere. This has applied to both the German Church and state.

The Turks as a state and as a population (both at home and abroad) deny that any genocide ever took place, have never paid any compensation and maintain they have nothing to apologise for. Worse still their government and immigrant communities campaign actively around the world to suppress all acknowledgement of these crimes. Now sooner if a country, state or municipality wishes to pass a resolution recognising the genocide or it's desire to erect a memorial in their honour and memory, do the Turks make threats about such actions damaging relations with them. They just don't accept that the genocide of millions of helpless defenseless Christian men, women and children is anything that a Muslim nation should feel ashamed of or even bother to recognise. Until they do they remain filth in my estimation both as nation and people. The Germans are our brothers and sisters and absolute saints in comparison.


Not sure if you granny isn't having you on there a little bit. My mother is from the Tatras and she is blue-eyed and fair (as is the vast majority of her family). At very least she has never mentioned that people there are appreciably darker than elsewhere in Poland. For what it's worth I'm blue-eyed and very, very white (and was easily for example the lightest person in my high school graduation photograph) and blondie/redhaired. My father was from Silesia so I guess he deserves some credit also for my appearance. I will concede one possible point though. I can not help but notice how similar the folk costumes of the Polish mountaineers and Slovakians are, as well as the dance and the singing (check it out on youtube to see what I mean). The languages are mutually intelligible and the Slovakians in general do seem to be significantly darker, at least hairwise than most Poles. So perhaps due to promixity there might be something to it afterall. But I still think even so our mountaineers are probably a shade lighter in general.

When the Tatars raped and pilaged their way through Poland, children were conceived. These children were raised as Polish. Many Poles have a bit of Asian blood in them.

My grandfather's family comes from southern poland where the mongols/tartars had at one time held control. The mongols were notorious for raping and pillaging so you can imagine were alot of the slanted eyes and darker skin tones of some southern poles and their ancestors come from. My grandfather's eyes are deeply slanted and he is olive complexioned. The other thing is alot of mixing has happened through the ages with countries like Lithuania, Turkey, and Romania.

It's like anywhere in the world; people mix and the genes are immortalized in that population, when they meet up in random pairings of people in the form of an offspring they are expressed, until then they lay dormant.

Interesting thread. My 18.00 student had a fairly dark complexion for a Pole and I only knew he was Polish because of his name.

Fascinating discussion.

I would like to ask one question. If you've never heard of her, google "EWA SONNET". She is a Polish pûrn star ;) an extremely beautiful girl.

Don't worry, I'm not asking you to look at pûrn, just her face (she's also a Pop Music star in Poland right now).

My question: She's an extremely dark-haired brunette with olive skin. Black eyelashes and jet-black hair. That's as good an example as any of the so-called "dark Poles." Can anyone explain the ancestry of dark Poles such as her?

Read the thread. It has 10 pages of different theories of this "phenomenon".

Trouble with your theory is that there was no massive infusion of Mongol DNA, and we all have origins somewhere around India.

Some Polish people are dark hmm it can be due to tatar genes or Turkish ones.

Many Polish women like Greek and Italian men or Africans, and their children may be dark, as their fathers.

Again the invasion force was only 10.000 strong and only concentrated in the south of Poland, so it is highly unlikely that they could have left any significant imprint on the population.

Essentially, Natural Selection dictates the amount of pigmentation in one's skin, relative to an absolute mandate - The "Prime Directive" : Human reproduction. The human reproductive process can only succeed through it's regulated use of the Vitamin D group.

The Vitamin D group, and it's regulation, here defined as a "Bare Bones" statement : Is dependent on the bodies ability to screen out harmful ultra violet ray's from the sun at a given geographical location, accepting only that amount required.

The body does this through it's secretion of Melanin Pigmentation, which is adaptive, and evolved with the human loss of body hair, the original state of genus Homo. In recent prehistory, we became adept at protecting ourselves from harmful radiation through clothing and shelter, which has reduced the action required by Natural Selection.

If one looks at a map of the earth, and starting at the equator where the sun's ultra violet ray's are maximized, you'll note that here, the cradle of civilization as we know it, human skin Melanin Pigmentation is the greatest, allowing the body to reject the sun's harmful ray's and immediately release the resultant heat. Concurrently, the human body itself has evolved in small ways in support thereof.

As one goes North or South from the equator, in direct proportion, skin pigmentation is decreased based on need - a regulator - producing a steady "supply" of vitamin D. In the extreme Northern and Southern latitudes, the human need for the sun's ray's is absolutely essential, therefore, the body produces virtually 0 pigmentation resulting in skin that appears almost translucent, some "seeing" a pink hue, a result of blood flowing within the body.

I've read that it takes somewhere around 50,000 years for skin pigmentation to change from black to white, or white to black if geographical locations were changed.

Some here may question the presence of the Inupiat and the Yupiks (Eskimo's) presence in these latitudes. It's with these people that Natural Selection has stood still, or move at a snails pace, whereby these "explorers" from the Asiatic tribes of East Asia have failed to drop their heavier pigmentation. There is a reason for this : their diet.

Their bodies are "flooded" with vitamin D through their intake of seal, whale, fish - specifically the "fat" of the animal's. This infusion of vitamin D coupled with the lack of sunlight suffices for reproductive needs. Ergo: The process of Natural Selection is on "pause".

Trivia : The process of Natural Selection applies to all animals and plants. Did you know that the Polar bear, a species of Grizzly Bear, has black skin and it's guard hairs are actually translucent and hollow ?? It's underfur is translucent as well but solid, trapping a layer of air that does not permit the cold sea water to touch the skin. The fur appears white since it reflects light.

24 years living in Alaska.

its not that rare to see olive colored skin poles i have met a few and am one myself.

It's not rare at all!

I was curious about this as well not just for polish but irish too. my grandfathers family is welsh and they are dark and my grandmother is 100% polish. she has dark hair and brown skin tone and light blue eyes. when she was a baby her hair was platinum white blonde. my mother and aunt and uncle are also dark and tan easily, the only dif is my mom inherited green eyes from her welsh father. my cousins and i though both have GERMAN fathers and we are the only blondes in the family !! but whereas i don't tan at all they inherited the ability to tan so easily from our polish side. i think genetics is such an interesting and curious thing

If what I have read in the History/Genealogy threads is true (and I have no reason to think it isn't) my Polish last name infers family roots of Indian origin.

Or not ... :)

The reason why Poles have dark features is that they have connections with South Asia.

Genetics ( From Wikipedia )

Polish people show the characteristic R1a genes of a common male ancestorship at a very high frequency of 55.9-56.4%. Such large frequencies of R1a have been found in South Asia and Central Asia.[35]

Not from India - Indus Valley which is Pakistan today.
Slavic people ahve same geneology as the people that live in Central Asia, i.e. From Kashmir to Karachi, from Afghanistan, Tajikistan etc..

I being a Kashmiri think it is a good thing - sadly you Slavic people do not.
But yes it brought me very closer to my ex who was from Slovakia and looked very kashmiri, jet black hair, light brown eyes and naturally tanned skin especially in the sun.very brown.

Indians ar enot the same as "us" they wish to hijack our history, land, and everything that is our identity.

Indians are darker skinned of Dravidian "South Asian" Heritage..the few lighter skinned, aryan looking ones are well due to intermixing of our kind and their kind.

As someone who is fluent in the language I can assure you that Dom means house and Cygan means Gypsy

I'm brown-eyed and dark complected. My mom's people had a strong Armenian branch.

That is a huge lie. There are no C or O haplogroups in Poles, Russians or Ukrainians.

Truth is most Tatars likely kidnapped Poles & Bought Poles into their Tatar line.

So thus the Polish genes went into the Tatars & not the Inverse.

Same is rather true with Germans. There is much more Polish blood in Germany than German blood in Poland.

Because alot of Poles became Germanized &thus became assimilated into Germany.

Same is true with Tatars, Mongols, Vikings ect.

Poles are actually the most pure people in Central & Eastern Europe. Even Germans have more Asiatic genes than Poles do!

Very few nations are more pure than Poland.
Even Sweden & Norway & Iceland have more Asiatic genes than Poland.

The only nations that might be more pure than Poles are possibley Ireland, Scotland & Maybe Iceland.

Is tough. Poland is in the top 5 most pure nations in Europe though.

Why some people live in the USA and some live in other countries? ....................................
How about some smart questions for a change?

Well it could just be because some people stayed out in the sun too long...

yeah, one possibility :-) Then again why is this even important? lol

High Caste Indians are closer related to Europeans than to Dravidians.

Yes, Well our Male line of R1a is shared. But, Our Female line is seperate. Central Asians & Indians differ on the Female Genetic line than Slavs.

When it comes to the Female line we are more like other Europeans.

The female line seems to be more accurate. For Example Cameroon & the Hausa in Africa are mostly R1b (male line) But, The Female line of Cameroon is the same as other Africans.

Well the result is Cameroon people look like Africans because of the Maternal DNA.

The Oldest R1a Haplogroups are on both sides. In Poland & Slovakia isthe oldest R1a in Europe. In Asia it is India Pakistan.

With oddly Central Asians being the younger R1a.

How this happened is a huge mystery & it causes lots of questions & little Anwsers.

It is still not known where R1a started.

My personal guess is that R1a started in the North Caspian & then split with half going to Poland & Half going to India. Thus this is why these two areas are the oldest.

But, It seems that from Poland then R1a moved East into Russia & then Central Asia. This is supported by DNA, the fact that Central Asians were once mostly Light haired & Light eyed.

Also that the Central Asian R1a is younger.
It is also supported by Kurgans & the movement of the invention of the wheel.

The oldest evidence of the wheel is the Bronocice pot in Poland 5,500 yrs ago. By 5,300 yrs ago a Wheeled cart was found in the Ukraine.

By 4,600 years ago the First chariots were found in the andronovo culture in Central Russia (Who were the Aryans) The Aryan Invaders to India.

But, Later Turks from near Mongolia moved in & mixed with Central Asians so they became more like Mongolians

that explains why your women look much better than your guys :-)

Since mean only have the Y, there isn't enough space for handsome looks.

Yes, Well, Eskimos are able to eat Cod Liver, Fish ect to get Vitamin D.
This is why they are not so pale.

When, Europeans entered Europe during the Glacier everything was frozen & thus it was not possible to get the Vitamin D Rich food in high enough amounts to be able to get enough Vitamin D.

Now apparently One of the genes for Pale skin is rather recently.
But, That is only ONE of the genes for Pale skin!

The Idea is that the other gene for Pale skin in Europe is the Red hair gene, Which causes Red hair, Freckles & Pale Skin.

That Europeans Originally looked more like this.
BUT
At the end of the Glacier Europeans gained a new Mutation with Pale skin which could also Tan. Which was more adaptable to the increasing sun light at the end of the Glacial period.

To me Poles & Other Slavs & Some Scandanavians seem to have this gene.

That is why alot of Slavs & Enough Scandanavians have Pale skin but can tan very well.

Unlike inthe British Isles where people often seem to have trouble tanning & where the skin color trait they have seems to be more of the Redhaired kind which has trouble tanning.

I think it is because Britain is in the path of the Gulf stream they get so much cloud cover& rain that they never got enough sunlight to have a big demand for tanning.

Close to 50 percent of British Islanders have Red haired Genes. So, It seems that this is the reason why British Islanders have a different skin than us.

Alot more British Islanders have Pale skin, Pinkish skin & Freckles than Slavs or Scandanavians.

Slavs & Scandanavians seem to have more of a Honey colored skin that is pale in winter but can tan well in Summer.

With Blonde hair it seems to have come about during the middle of the Glacier. Anthropologists have said between Ukraine & Lithaunia is where the Blonde haired gene started.

So Poland isr right there.

my guess is the Blonde haired gene likely came about for hunting purposes. Because, Red hair sticks out like a sore thumb in the Glacier with only white snow.

Blonde hair blends in better & thus is camouflaged better for the Arctic Hunt than a Red head.

Blondes seem to be better built & tougher & Taller too which fits well with Hunting. You look at Slavs, Germans & Scandanavians & Scythians ect who had alot of Blonde hair.

Through out History we were much tougher than people in places like the British Isles & France ect where more Dark hair & Red hair is found rather than much Blonde.


Does it explain why our Girls look alot better than Western European girls????

Norwegians have the most R1a Haplogroup in Western Europe & Norwegian girls seem to be the best looking in Western Europe.

It seems the R1a line has tougher men & better looking women.

Even in Scotland the most tough clan leader that kicked out the Vikings was Somerled of R1a Haplogroup.

Vikings were alot tougher than British Islanders & Vikings have alot more R1a Haplogroup.

Oh yeah & Most Western Europeans are R1b haplogroup it also comes from Central Asia.

The difference is the path. The R1b people are thought to have gone through Anatolia to get through Europe while R1a people through Siberia to get to Europe

Sunlight didn't "increase" at the end of the Glacial Period. In fact people moved further and further north as the glaciers retreated and thus went into areas with more and more diffuse sunlight. This is because the curvature of the earth which is unchanging.

Look at what caused the Little Ice age. Well, IT was the Maunder minimum of sunspots / solar activity ect.

What caused the warming up since the Little Ice age?

Well, Since the Maunder minimum we have seen increases in Solar activity.

Something that the Co2 Global warming nuts tend to keep hidden from the public.

Through out the past century we have seen a higher Solar Activity in the last 50 years than in the first 50 years of the last century.

The UV rays of the sun are not prevented from reaching one's skin by cloud cover.

True. But, They do make a difference.

You are more likely to get a sun burn on a hot summer day than a cloudy winter day for a reason.