Origins of Polish Genetics

It might interest some.

@Ironside

A fascinating video.

A fascinating nation.

The problem is that Poles have been living on today's territories of other countries, so this research may not be accurate. It may be better to use the word "Slavic" than "Polish" here.

The problem is that English is your second language, and most likely, you have difficulty comprehending what is said.

You mean like Saxons? Bavarians? Franks? Allemani? Goths? No need to push you'r own narration on other countries where it doesn't belong just cause of some «Germania map» from Roman cartography

Oh boy... now the truth comes out!

Our guys came and raped all the local women, that had been living there since time immemorial.

Good Germanic women, faithful to Wodan, fell to Asiatic barbarians from the swamps and forests of the East. Such shame!

What? Wait a minute... so Poles are Germanic from our mums' side?

So, I now have to switch from pan-Slavism to pan-Germanism?

What about Serbians? Are they Germanic too? Where is Crow when we need him?

It's what Iron's video says.

Your moms have always lived in Poland. Then some gopniks from the East arrived, killed their husbands, and planted their Orc seed.

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A rather ungentlemanly thing to do, but that would mean that their daughters, long time ago, were already half-Germanic, half-Slavic; and as we know from history the Germanic husbands came back with a vengeance (more than once!) and planted their seed, so it all mixed again. So, Slavs fought back and... etc. etc. etc.

Of course, Mongols, who are not Slavic, and Turks rolled over our lands more than once too. Some Tatars even stayed permanently. We mixed our dynasties (and genes) with the Balts as well (the whole Jagiellon dynasty). Swedes did their part, and we had throngs of Italian and Dutch settlers. Jews were always a closed community... but not THAT closed; in Austrian partition all sorts of mixing was going on... and so on.

To talk about nations today in terms of genetics would seem to be slightly retarded.

Sort of a carryover from the other thread (Admin move if necessary), but one of the primary reasons the Ukrainians hate you is because of the Jews.

Polish nobles did not collect taxes from their Ukrainian peasants themselves. Instead they outsourced the job to Jewish "tax farmers". As long as the Jewish tax collector paid the Pan what he was owed, he did not care what sort of depredations the Jew unleashed on the Ukrainians.

At some point - Poles and Jews began to meld in the Ukrainian imagination. It's the origin of the aphorisms like, "Worse than a Jew, can only be a Polish merchant".

In the 1930s and 1940s, Ukrainian fascists ranked their hatreds in the following priority order: "Jews, Poles, Muscovites".

These days there probably aren't that many Jews in Ukraine, and Russians are too similar to Ukrainians to make genuine hatred possible, so I suppose we are on the top of the hate list today. Oh, well... it's nice to the number one at something, I guess.

It's the Volhyn stuff.

Every time you guys get close to some kind of understanding, Volhyn blows things up again.

Ukrainians GENUINELY do not understand you, or your position. To be completely honest - neither did I - until I spent years on this forum.

They really sincerely think that you are "stirring the pot" for no good reason, other than that you know they are weak right now and rely on your help.

They feel you are abusing the leverage, in order to make them admit something terrible which will be forever a stain on their national heroes. This - while they defend you from Russian imperialism with their bodies.

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I even watched an interview where Sikorski and Sonya featured - and it was clear there that Sikorski was shocked at the genuine level of incomprehension he encountered on the subject.

Being a diplomat, he used some very kind interpretation of what was happening.

If Russians are infantile, then Ukrainians are twice as infantile. They think they are some perfect Marvel superheroes, and everyone should kiss their feet. They have no capacity to admit any wrongdoing, because their conception of self is so impossibly fragile.

They are building a Ukrainian national identity with scotch tape and glue... this identity is not yet ready to collide head on with historic events like ethnic cleansings.

You heard it from them - we are Orcs, and they are Elves. Elves are perfect.

Tell me about it.

That's exactly what a certain lovely Khrystyna was explaining to me passionately: that they never invaded anyone, never hurt anyone, were only fighting invaders in their lands, and only defending what was always theirs. And you know what... she had a brother on the frontline, was in a foreign country, and had some Polish girls being not exactly nice to her at work (envy!)... and I - the stalwart Kania, the Polish-to-the-core Torq, the anti-banderist legend of Gdańsk and beyond... I had no heart to argue with her and prove her wrong.

I am such a wimp in the real life. :(

This alone.... should make an intelligent person stop and think.

Either you are allowing Russia to "own" all the bad chapters of your history, and you treat yourself as some newborn babe - innocent to the sins of the world...

or you admit you are as ancient as Russia, but simultaneously take some responsibility.

To listen to them, they were created in 861 AD, and were then rapidly placed into some cryogenic chamber - to be opened only in 1991. Emerging blameless like the Son of God.

Every sin is chalked up to Russia's account.

And it is exactly this that puts me in a position that offends my American sensibilities. We Americans want, we search and yearn, for a winner. This detestable war has me desiring no winner. Makes me queasy.

It is retarded to talk about genetics when you have no clue about it, and even more retarded to talk about a video you haven't watched.