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Is your line of the Polish family noble?


southern 75 | 7,096
7 Jun 2010 #31
Whether you are noble or not your fate is to clean toilets.French already had noticed in 19th century that Poland was full of princes.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
7 Jun 2010 #32
No? So i guess Zamojscy family

The name is Zamoyski !
Zamojski could be anyone .......
Seanus 15 | 19,706
7 Jun 2010 #33
I taught a Zamojski today. I don't know how popular that name is.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
7 Jun 2010 #34
Zamojski is name of peasants and less likely Jews - is more popular than Zamoyski for sure :)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346
7 Jun 2010 #35
No Iron its not, Zamoyski is the old polish (staropolski) name, currently they're spelled Zamojscy.
Ziemowit 14 | 4,404
7 Jun 2010 #37
French already had noticed in 19th century that Poland was full of princes.

Princes and princesses, n'est-ce pas ? But what you've so shrewdly noticed is not true. Poland had very few princes and princeses until the end of the First Republic (or as others translate its name: Commonwealth) which ceased to exist in 1795. The reason for that was that Poland did not aknowledge any noble titles except the general status of a simple nobleman (szlachcic). You could then be either a nobleman or a non-nobleman (a peasant or a bourgeois). The only princes of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (these were about a handful of families) were the original princes of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania who were granted the continuation of use of the title of prince in the Act of Union of Lublin in 1569. On top of that, the Sejm had awarded the title of prince to the Crown (not Lithuanian) Poniatowski family in the second half of the 18th century.

All other noble titles after 1795 were being given to the Polish nobility by the three powers which partitioned Poland. So if you think the titles were awarded in abundance, you should attribute such abundance to the actions of St. Petersburg, Berlin and Vienna. If you try to diffuse Soviet-style propaganda here by quoting the 19th century French sources, you should at least indicate these sources.
John - | 3
8 Jun 2010 #38
The rest is not worth replying.

Your thread is confusing me. As a American of Polish descent, i have the surname of Morawski. It is found on page 270 of the on-line list (it's a list of Polish noblemen as of 1887).

Now my dad, on many occasions, sat me down and explained the name difference. He stated the original name of Morawski had a accent mark above the 'O'. He always did this in hushed tones. I still don't understand why.

Also our family orchard of some 40 hectares is located in Wieś Ćwiklin, Gmina Płońsk, Powiat Płońsk

I suspect what this means is that this list and $2.39 will buy me a Dunkin Doghnuts coffee.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
8 Jun 2010 #39
He stated the original name of Morawski had a accent mark above the 'O'.

Mórawski ? Its the different name altogether!
John - | 3
9 Jun 2010 #40
Mórawski is the correct name as related by my father. So it is entirely different?
Ironside 51 | 11,337
9 Jun 2010 #41
well, don't know if the name may differ entirely or some - in Poland it would be considered as different name.
Wroclaw Boy
15 Jun 2010 #42
see my comment about many poles being delusional about their past.

No thanks I'll stick to court correspondance and await pay days. its actually grand parents not parents, her Grandmother spent about 8 years in Siberia, i dont think thats delusional.

Jews are sly, even if they're not sly they're sly.

The problem with SS is that she takes everything she percieves as fact, ive got friends etc.. she has no real insight into anything. I mean she was banging on about football the other day because of what somebody said at work - hear say second hand BS.

I mean if she had a few Pakistani friends theyd probably be on her Christmas card list but as it stands she despises them, one reason is that they flood the UK with drugs. How ill informed can one be?
plk123 8 | 4,148
15 Jun 2010 #43
No thanks I'll stick to court correspondance and await pay days.

hope you also hold your breath. lol
Wroclaw Boy
15 Jun 2010 #44
Good things do happen...... sometimes!
plk123 8 | 4,148
15 Jun 2010 #45
a lot of polish people i know think they come from noble lines but the fact is there are very, and i mean VERY, few nobles in PL... Poles are just delusional about this.. almost more then any other subject.
Wroclaw Boy
15 Jun 2010 #46
Cant say ive experienced that.

There would be very few nobles in Poland as the Russians killed most of them off, shipped off to Siberia and dying of starvation, disease etc..

How do you know its delusional anyway? a family tree spreads as generations grow, a large noble family pre 1938 would have 100's maybe 1000's of descendants by now. Even if the actual nobles were killed off by the Russians or Germans their sons, daughters, cousins would still flourish, right?

The fact is you basically accused my wife of lying based on your experiences, that may be true in many cases but not this one im afraid.
Varsovian 92 | 634
15 Jun 2010 #47
One branch of my wife's family is noble - and they suck!
frd 7 | 1,401
15 Jun 2010 #48
My grandmothers sister married prince Potocki of Wieniawa-Wirski crest, one of my uncles is supposedly he is of Lubicz-Sulimirski crest, in the straight line I've got no noble blood myself heh, mostly Czech, Slovakian and Silesian. ;)
plk123 8 | 4,148
16 Jun 2010 #49
accussed my wife of lying

no, i am saying she's delusional.. that's quite the difference my friend. ;) :D
ForVictoria - | 6
16 Jun 2010 #50
Quite frankly, I find it fascinating that so many people hope to find "nobility" in their ancestry.

Coming from a country made of immigrants who left their beloved families and homeland due to the INJUSTICES AND PAIN inflicted by "nobility", I find it ironic that the progeny of those immigrants want to be royal! What would those immigrants say about that?

True nobility is in one's character, regardless of ancestry.

The fact is, if you are a human being your blood is RED, not blue--regardless of birth.
Wroclaw Boy
17 Jun 2010 #51
What would those immigrants say about that?

"Wheres my heritage money" i suspect.
plk123 8 | 4,148
17 Jun 2010 #52
ah, here is the truth what your wife may be after. right on ;)
Ironside 51 | 11,337
17 Jun 2010 #53
Quite frankly, I find it fascinating that so many people hope to find "nobility" in their ancestry.

You thinking in terms of English nobility - money wise.
In Poland nobility was term extended to about 10% of the population not necessary landed or rich.
For a sake of better understanding instead of nobility or feudal, one should think in term of citizenship, Polish noble it first of all citizen of his country with rights and privileges unlike the others residents of Polish Kingdom!

Citizen not unlike Roman Citizen in the Roman Empire.
Nobility in English or French was called in Poland - magnate, lord or aristocracy!
They were indeed money wise - pity it was lost.
Wroclaw Boy
17 Jun 2010 #54
ah, here is the truth what your wife may be after. right on ;)

Thats a bit of a low punch PLK, although youve been in my cool book for a while now i think you may have to be relegated.

What would you be interested in other than money given the opportunity? especially seeing as we all had a round up for you.

Thats just downright cheecky sir.

I could review the thread and list the posts which put this little dispute in motion, but im not going to do that at this stage. Its your fault, and i say because youre a sad jealous plastic Pole. Fcuking typical.
Ironside 51 | 11,337
17 Jun 2010 #55
Thats a bit of a low punch PLK,

he is joking and you are taking it thick.
Should be :

Nobility as English or French would understand was called in Poland

espana 17 | 931
17 Jun 2010 #56
;)

he is joking and you are taking it thick

the guy is a little paranoid.
ender 5 | 398
17 Jun 2010 #57
paranoid

who let the bumblebee free?
joke for Poles only
how can that thing keep coming to PF it's beyond my understanding
delphiandomine 88 | 18,454
6 Feb 2012 #58
Everyone claims to be of nobility in Poland - but really, the vast majority were just peasants.
alexmac 3 | 52
6 Feb 2012 #59
I have copies of my family coat of arms
rozumiemnic 8 | 3,872
6 Feb 2012 #60
Everyone claims to be of nobility in Poland - but really, the vast majority were just peasants.

lolllllzzzz really DD you are actually starting to be quite funny.I am laughing here for real.....;D

'I have copies of my family coat of arms'
yeh i bought one of those too.
It has the sinister body louse rampant as its central motif...


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