Poland's economic future?

They absolutely did - up until they realized that Poles were far better than the muslims that were flooding in as we don't behead british soldiers, drive into crowds with trucks, cause rape statistics to skyrocket, etc.. Now Brits love Poles because they do the hard work in your country (kind of like Mexicans in US), while Muslims sit around popping out kids like rabbits, taking in loads of welfare, selling t shirts at stands, and marching with Sharia4UK, No Democracy We Want Sharia, etc signs. You cucks have even allowed them to set up a parallel legal structure in the form of sharia courts.

And Britain should be for the British, hence why I support UKIP. Unfortunately, there's too much cucks in your government (labour) who turned UK into United Kaliphate and London into Londonistan.


exactly, which is


Although it is a bad thing when Christians suffer because of it and there's ramadumb or some stupid allah crap plastered on public buses, yet the lords prayer gets taken out of private movie theaters...

You can keep your United Caliphate and capital Londonistan. We Poles won't allow our country to became a migrant hell of neckbeards and ninja women like France and parts of UK like Tower Hamlets. FTS! Polska Dla Polakow now and forever!

White Christian Europeans are praising Poland for resisting the communist unelected commissars and refusing to allow our country to become a hotbed of terror, rape, and all the bad things muslims brought in. Our government even makes anti-migrant videos, paid in part by YOUR tax dollars (thank you). That's the Poland we Poles want and the Poland we Poles love. CBOS stats don't lie - Poles simply don't want to become a migrant hell like France, Germany, UK, etc.

There's your problem right there. Thinking that you are in some way "better" than others. I experienced this first hand when a Polish friend thought British Asians were "dirty." Result of racism and ridiculous attitude such as that? No longer a trusted friend.


I did suggest to Wulkan that we have voice mail - the same challenge goes out to you - with Ziemowit as judge of my ability to communicate in Polish. Shall we say 500 zl to the charity of the winners' choice?

I have no idea what gimp means, but less of the insults or I will flag you up.

You mean "We Americans......."? You don't have a voice here.

Actually, as a Polish citizen, I do and I exercise it = )


Europeans and Chinese were smelting iron while other peoples still hadn't invented the wheel and lived in mud huts... for example, what can Afghani migrants offer Poland when most Afghanis don't even know how to read and write and the majority of their education is based upon the Koran and how to disassemble and AK47? In Poland, they'd at least have to work if they don't want to starve or freeze to death but the liberal regimes in France, UK, Germany, etc. have made is so these people have don't have to work, don't have to assimilate, and can continue staying at home (paid by taxpayers) and do little more than pray, pop out kids, and get involved in radical islam.

@Dougpol1

I don't live in America right now, but I still have a voice in what happens in my country, while those in America working on H1B and permanent residents paying taxes have absolutely no say in influencing the policies of the government in my country. Borders are real, sovereignty matters, and citizenship is real. They are the only thing that make a country what it is. Citizens and non-citizens are a very clear distinction, harking back to the days of the Romans and the Greeks. It doesn't matter whether you don't "like" it or don't think its "fair." Feelings are not facts.

Kind of similar in Poland - residents can only vote in small local elections. That's why it's so funny to hear non-citizen residents tell citizens they don't have a voice in the country lololol


Facts don't have feelings - Ben Shapiro

Not really. I have no say in the politics of my own country. When I return there, I will apply to be put back on the electoral register. Whilst here, I am bothered about Polish laws and politics as they effect me. The politics of your day to day life, if you have any sense, pertain to the country in which you are domiciled. Just an opinion.

If somebody loves Poland so much, they should return. In the meantime, they have no moral right to tell the rest of us how we should live.

No moral right? Your morals are for YOU, my morals are for ME. Whatever you think is moral is quite frankly irrelevant, as what is legal is an entirely different matter, the only one that matters in fact. I vote by absentee ballot over here, and I donate to political campaigns that I believe in at home, because its my country. As an expat you have absolutely no legal right to influence the political process in the country that you're a guest in. You may have lived there 10, or 20 years, but until you attain citizenship you are merely a guest, albeit a long term one. These are inescapable facts, much to your chagrin it appears.

So when did you live in Poland then Sig, if I may ask? Dirk never has, but at least he holds a financial stake here. Pol-Ams who have never ever set foot in Poland really shouldn't have the vote -it's just a way of getting bleeding hearts to prop up the economy with their donations.

not even when he was a wittle kid?

@Dougpol1

You're moving the goal post in this conversation, lets focus on one thing at a time. I'm American, so I've never lived in Poland, I vote by absentee ballot in American elections. With regard to where Dirk has or has not resided, it's immaterial to the question of citizenship and what legal rights that grants versus non-citizens residing in a country. I've met plenty of people middle east who hold a US passport, and have never lived in America, however they still have more legal voting rights than a non-citizen who has lived in America for 30 years. So do you have any factually based argument to dispute that, or is your argument just basically "thats not fair!" ?

Well, if they are Polish citizens they have the same rights and privileges as any other Polish citizen, which exceeds that of residents BY LAW. Like it or not, that's the way it is and that is what is enshrined in the Polish constitution. Like I said, the schitzo drunken bum sleeping in Wroclaw's square every night has more say in our government than any resident. Same with a Polish American, polish Brazilian, etc. that holds Polish citizenship. One could be born in Poland, leave the country and never set foot in PL again, and still have more say than a resident who's lived in PL for 30 years. Such is our constitution and legal code. That persons' citizenship also cannot be taken away lest they revoke it or by government order (usually due to spying for a foreign government, subversion, treason, etc.) And just because you find it 'unfair' doesn't mean itll change. If you feel that strongly about voicing your opinion and voting, then learn Polish (which you should've already done after living in the country for decades) and get your citizenship. Otherwise, leave the affairs of Poland to Polish citizens and our democratically elected officials.


Nahh we've already conned the EU to do that for us. Few more bil till 2020, then hopefully Polexit is in the cards, lest Brussels and unelected commisars like Timmermans change their behavior of course

In any case, this is about PL's economic future - not citizenship, residency, etc. Idk why doug has to keep bringing this up. This isn't the first time you've expressed that Polish citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote or have a say in the country. Are you jelly that you don't have citizenship and hence keep having to cry foul just because Polish citizens are exercising their democratic rights and privileges?

Poland's economic future is better than any of it's western neighbors. Poland's GDP growth has outpaced every single Western EU nation for years and years and will continue to do so. We don't have a million migrants and their soccer team of kids which we have to support either so we can use that money to actually care for Polish senior citizens, not foreigners who recently arrived. We won't have to spend huge sums on anti-terrorism operations and police patrols as our country doesn't have to deal with suicide bombings, vehicle rammings, etc. Furthermore, PiS has put a lot of stake into gaining new partners in China while strengthening its positions with the V4, Ukraine, and USA. All in all, the future is bright for Poland. Western Europe had it's time. It was once mighty and powerful, till they let a bunch of cucks rule those countries and totally change the demographic makeup of W. Europe. If they had at least imported smart hard working people like the Chinese or Mexicans or Koreans, we'd be better off. But they made their bed - npow they must lay in it. Poland, Hungary and V4 have dediced against such a policy - and it's paid off handsomely for them and will continue too for decades. While W. Europe will continue to have more and more no go zones popping up, more Islamic terror, more parallel structures like sharia courts, and ever increasing rape statistics, Poland and V4 will be an oasis for Christian Europeans. Indeed, Obran said that he welcomes refugees from Europe - those seeking refuge from the retarded liberal neurosis of German, French, etc. regimes.

The total number of Poles living in US that use to vote in Polish elections is like 20k people. Get a life.


So what ? Do you also expect us to drive on the left sides because that's what you dudes are doing ?

One of the hardest things I had to do in UK lol. Honestly I'm kind of surprised I was able to even rent a car at Heathrow with a US license and no like special paperwork. When you're use to driving always on the right it's almost impossible to suddenly switch. I'd especially get messed up on right turns and accidently veer into the oncoming (right) lane

I found it pretty easy switching. I drove across most of USA (CA to MA) in a right-hand drive, and it was fine. I don't like driving in Poland, though, mostly because of the driving culture and roads - it doesn't feel very safe, especially in the east.

In UK, if you drive near a US airbase, where they're living on 'American soil' and drive on the right, you will sometimes see them on the wrong side of the road when they drive off the base onto public roads, having forgotten to switch. Happened to me a few times.

^^^oops, I meant drove across USA in a left-hand drive (US car)

I do speak Polish to a rough intermediate level Dirk and could pass that test thanks. When I moved here, the interior ministry insisted that I would have to give up my British citizenship if I wanted Polish. Now I am too old to care. Like you are Polish by birth, I am British and not Polish, so your citizenship can do one - especially when it's all a bad joke because Pol-Ams like you and Sig colour the actual results, and in fact you don't know what goes on - because you ain't here.

Fairness has nothing to do with it. I would have too much pride to vote in an election that doesn't affect me personally.


Source? Why do I not believe that?

But we're not talking about that. We're talking about the Pol Am Neo-Cons affecting policy, who have never even set foot in Poland, who think they know the European situation, and what constitutes Poland's membership of the Union, and who spread their race based filth on this board. And you're not excused either, with your hatred of this and that. Do your parents know of the tosh that you spout here?

Yes, and as long as they are a Polish citizen they can vote, in accordance with Polish law


No, and why would they? Besides, we tend to have similar opinions on topics like the migrant crisis, the diluting of Christian Europe, PiS pwning the EU at every turn, etc. Plenty of posters here write blatantly anti-Polish things which I'm sure the Poles in their lives wouldn't appreciate. '


You're right the topic is 'Poland's economic future.' Why do you insist on continually talking about citizenship, residency, etc? I'm trying to move away from discussing this further as there is simply no point. You're upset for whatever reason that Polish citizens are exercising their constitution right to vote. If you want your voice to be heard and vote in our elections, gain citizenship.


What hatred? I am pointing out facts. For example, it is fact that Swedish rapes have skyrocketed ever since the migrant crisis. It is also fact, according to German police, that migrants commit the vast majority of violent crimes including sexual assault.

Poland doesn't have to deal with such riff raff and we don't want to. 3/4 of Poles reject migration from ME and Africa according to CBOS. It is our sovereign right to determine who to let in and who to not let into our country - we won't allow a commission that we didn't vote for to tell us who to take into our own country.

Poland has a bright future as long as it keeps this up. Poland's growth has OUTPACED analysts' forecasts. Wages keep going up, unemployment keeps going down. The Ukrainians are a huge asset too as unlike the migrants that are in Germany, France, etc, they actually work! They're not the same economic migrants who at home all day, collect benefits and pop out kids and to top it off march in the streets demanding sharia law... Nope, instead Ukranians go to work - even if it's a low paying job they're more than happy to actually have a job and work. Poland also have more and more FDI flowing in - much to the chagrin of the liberals and PO who kept saying that nationalism would drive away investors when the opposite happened. We're growing faster than Germany, France, UK, Spain and nearly every European country - certainly higher growth than any Western Euro country. To top it off, we've managed to avoid terror attacks, nonstop rapes, a state of emergency, and do not have any no go's sprouting up in Poland. We're doing fantastic. It seems the more Poland moves away from EU and the dictates coming out of Brussels, the state of the economy improves. Plus, Poland has a ton of clout now especially amongst countries that are now ruled by a right wing party. They recognize and applaud Poland's resistance - even in UK and those in UKIP have a ton of admiration for what Poland has accomplished. We will never allow our buses to have garbage plastered about ramadamadingdong or have ninjas wandering our streets. We will not take up a stagnant currency and will keep our zloty so that we continue to have total sovereignty over our currency. All in all, Poland is doing fantastic and it will keep beating almost every EU countrys' GDP growth for the foreseeable future. Good job Poland!!! Poles and our government lead our economy to such a status that even our neighbors are jealous and compliment Poles for their huge successes in such a short period of time.

Wrong. Ireland had 5.2% growth last year, not to mention 26% in 2015.

Huh ? Google it up !!! You dudes have been ranting about this issue for years but you have no idea about basic facts. What a friggin comedy.

What, come on, it's great fun. There's no stress at all relating to being caught, and as long as you treat every other driver as an imbecile, it's fine.

That wasn't a real growth but basically an error in GDP methodology.

@delphiandomine

No country has achieves 26% GDP growth short of a huge boost of capital after a war or a huge downturn. Ireland had negative growth the years before thats the only reason why they hit such a high number in 2015. 3.5% gdp is good, 4.6% like poland hit is amazing. Irelands economy is also smaller thab polands - about half the size in nominal terms. Having such high growth is actually unhealthy as it leads to inflation, ridiculous high credit rates, etc.

Better? No, Polish citizens had/have this right granted to them by the EU treaty. Others without papers and illegals have no right whatsoever. That basic.

WTF are you talking about?

@Dougpol1

Let me clarify once again. I'm American, not Polish.

Moving on, I've taken a look at you rebuttals and I find them to be completely lacking in substance or coherence. Specific examples and facts are pointed out on the issue of citizenship, and you choose to move the goal post or to respond with your emotions rather than something resembling a logical argument. Second, with regard to some of the issues Dirk has raised about the deleterious impact of migrants, you don't refute any of the assertions made with regard to that impact, and write something rather vague and also completely irrelevant such as "do you parents know the "hate" you spew." For instance, if rapes in Sweden have not risen 50% since 2006 according to BROT, then refute that with a statistic that proves the counterfactual. If the 10% rise in all areas of crime in Germany is not committed by 90% migrants, then please regale us with the opposing statistics which prove such a point. However, you will earn no points here with your emotional nonsense and hyperbolic labels. That tactic is fast becoming a joke, and your labels are fast becoming totally irrelevant.

When you think you can write something resembling a coherent and factually based argument, feel free to join the adults. Until then, you've been bested.

Stop lying, The only thing you have suggested to me was a boxing match which at the end of the day you couldn't afford, after all those lies how decent money English teachers make LOL

The problem is that you are not taking into account of the various factors behind this increase. Sweden has since 2006 introduced laws that make sexual more easy to prosecute, and it is proven that people are more willing to report rapes by foreigners than by locals (especially if the culprits are known).

The same counts for Germany. If we consider a) the number of refugees and b) their average age, it is not surprising that they are responsible for an increase in crime reports. If you introduced a large number of young Poles to Germany, you would also see an increase in crime. This in fact actually happened after free movement applied to Eastern Europeans. Furthermore, the largest number of refugees (Syrians) is not more likely to commit crimes than native Germans of similar age, the problem is that a relatively small group (North Africans) are very likely to commit crimes.

They're more likely to report foreigners, can you please cite the study you are referencing which backs up this claim?

No, you are making a false equivalency. After the free movement of people Poles did not engage in running people over with box trucks, blowing themselves up at concerts, or committing 1,000 sexual assaults on a single night in a single town. The scale and proportion are completely different, you are comparing apples and oranges my friend.

This is all very easy to talk about because its not YOUR family member whose life becomes irrevocably damaged and changed due to these people. I'll agree with you about Syrian refugees and not ask you to cite the source, because I believe it to be relatively accurate. The issue is, NONE of the people other than Syrians have a legitimate claim to asylum, ergo they should not be in Europe, ergo they should be deported and repatriated at the earliest possible date, but first possibly serving a prison sentence in total isolation and solitary confinement. That would please me.

I thought you didn't like the European Union and multinationals? Because it is they who are responsible for anything "fantastic", meanwhile, where i live, highly qualified people are still offered career jobs starting at a miserable 3,500 zl, the roads and pavements haven't been touched since 1924, and my neighbours with their fancy cars are still burning coal.

It is true that PIS have finally fixed the weather - it's blue and beautiful:)
And Dirk - it's not "We". You are not Polish, but Pol-am. There is a big difference between the two. Our problems are not your problems. that's what I am saying - you are patronising us by pretending otherwise.


Most do. Sidelines - in my case, shipping documentation and some corporate acting. Sorry to disappoint. and please do ask Ziemowit for his index cards - I did offer you a Skype chat to test my Polish. It seems to hurts the NeoCons and emigrants like Iron that some of us with some community spirit actually live here and contribute to GDP, and it's lucky that we do, or we couldn't afford to police your racist Independence Day "marches."

Decided to abdicate on the coherent argument bit and just stick to anecdotes and personal insults against Dirk to obscure your complete lack of competence to discuss complex subjects like this, ey? Ok, fair play to ya.