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Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #91
When were you in Lviv?

I've been there about six or seven times I guess over the last 2-3 years. I know the place quite well and the clubs (well, there aren't that many of them). I can say that Ukrainians are in some ways more clueless than Polish girls, but in other ways they are smart: money seems to rule, and many girls are good at using their looks to get what they want from foreigners - drinks, a place to stay in the centre of town, etc. Basically they behave in the dodgy ways that a lot of Polish girls would 8 years ago. However, I'm sure that's not the case with all Ukrainians. I've also met girls who claim to be ashamed of this kind of behaviour and assured me that it doesn't represent all Ukrainian girls.

to be with someone in the disco means nothing

Of course that is true, but they were actually taking these clowns seriously! Even Polish girls would have laughed them out of the club.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #92
but in other ways they are smart: money seems to rule,

Exactly.I noticed that too.This leaves Blacks etc out of competition.
Do you think ukrainian girls are easier than polish?I really doubt about that although in Ukraine I get one new girl every 3 days I am there.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595  
18 Aug 2009 /  #93
I didn't see so many mismatched pairs in Sweden,Germany(socialism effect?)

If I compare to Scandinavia, I can see that Scandinavians are more careful when choosing gf/bf. As a result of this Sweden is one of the countries in the world with the highest % of singels. That might be a reason why there are less "mis-matching" as you call it.

But this theory about "mis-matching" fails, esp. in one way. There are so many other factors to consider than just good looks. And different persons have different opinions about what's attractive. There are people who think some random EMO are more beautiful than Brad Pitt.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #94
Sweden is one of the countries in the world with the highest % of singels.

Denmark too.I always suspected that.And swedish girls are supposed to be promiscuous which is not true.In reality I found that most girls in Denmark go for vibrators or lesbo experience,they are not very interested in men,why is that?
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #95
Do you think ukrainian girls are easier than polish?I really doubt about that although in Ukraine I get one new girl every 3 days I am there.

Well, I know the Polish culture better and I speak the language so I'm more comfortable in Poland. Things are more unpredictable in Ukraine. I think if you lived in the country, you'd probably be able to find a very attractive girlfriend...or two..more easily. But if you're there for a week and you're looking to get laid, I'd say you need to be lucky. Girls over there seem more concerned money and comfort than sex. If you have a place in the centre of town, a pretty girl might come back with you for your location, or for some other thing you have to offer, but it doesn't necessarily mean she'll go all the way. So in answer to your question, I think not, if you have one week to spend in each country.

But then again, I've only been to Lviv, Kiev (3 nights) and Chernivtsvi (1 night). I don't know the place well enough.

But this theory about "mis-matching" fails, esp. in one way. There are so many other factors to consider than just good looks.

I think we have established that it's not only about looks but other factors too like style in general, personality (lack of confidence, etc.), apparent brain power, social status etc.
southern 75 | 7,096  
19 Aug 2009 /  #96
But if you're there for a week and you're looking to get laid, I'd say you need to be lucky.

I get there a girl if I stay 3 days.Last time I got a girlfriend in one hour after I arrived in airport.I think one week is faaaar too long time except you want a cluster.

If you have a place in the centre of town

I live in very average apartments.

I think you are completely mistaken about Ukraine.One time I spoke to a girl in a bus stop and when I suggested to her to go together to a cafe,she told me she wanted to go to my hotel room instead of going to cafe.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595  
19 Aug 2009 /  #97
Denmark too.I always suspected that.And swedish girls are supposed to be promiscuous which is not true.In reality I found that most girls in Denmark go for vibrators or lesbo experience,they are not very interested in men,why is that?

Ok, we can clear things up once for all. And these are generalizations of course:

1. Swedish girls are less promiscuous than the myth says. But they have a more liberal view on sex than the average European girl, that part of the myth is true.

2. I don't know where the myth that Scandinavian girls are more into lesbo-stuff than other girls come from. I have 24 years experience of Swedish girls and I can confirm that it's not true.

3. Scandinavian girls are very interested in boys. But they usually figure out very very well how the man thinks, so it's not easy to fool them.

And kissing the girl's ass is not a good method to use. Especially most of them are very good at recognizing who is faking. Marrying for money is rather rare in Scandinavia, at least less rare than other parts of Europe.
Alx123 - | 180  
19 Aug 2009 /  #98
I live in very average apartments.

I didn't know how to arrange that. I usually stayed in a hostel, so it wasn't really possible to invite guests, though last time I did pay for a room in motel which was very decent quality (large, comfortable bed, TV, modern shower) and it was cheap...plus you don't need a passport/ID so you can bring back a girl from a club without any hassles. Only found out about this place on my last visit unfortunately. It would have saved me money in bribes for hotel night porters :))

One time I spoke to a girl in a bus stop and when I suggested to her to go together to a cafe,she told me she wanted to go to my hotel room instead of going to cafe.

Where was this?
southern 75 | 7,096  
19 Aug 2009 /  #99
But they have a more liberal view on sex than the average European girl

You mean the german,english,dutch girl or the girl from south Europe?Because they do not seem more promiscuous than the former.

But they usually figure out very very well how the man thinks

This is not a big task to find out.

It is easy to find apartments in Ukraine although they are a bit more dangerous than the hotels since there is mno security on the door.

In Ukraine I have done so crazy things that they may sound unbelievable.However I lost my patience by the moody,mental local girls' behaviour driving sb to mad land.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595  
19 Aug 2009 /  #100
You mean the german,english,dutch girl or the girl from south Europe?Because they do not seem more promiscuous than the former.

Hard to say. But I think that everyone agrees that the difference is smaller now than 25 years ago.
But this is so individual that it's very hard to compare or discuss.

This is not a big task to find out.

Some people are naive.
southern 75 | 7,096  
19 Aug 2009 /  #101
But I think that everyone agrees that the difference is smaller now than 25 years ago.

First of all scandinavian girls do not dress provocatively as english girls do when going to nightclubs.They are also not so comfortable as german or dutch girls.Maybe they are more excited and crazy and finnish girls seem really easy.(is it so bad with men there?).
Alx123 - | 180  
19 Aug 2009 /  #102
I get there a girl if I stay 3 days.

Well if you spend the whole time hunting, I guess it could be enough. Still, you need to be a bit lucky I think: some of my visits to Lviv have been disasters from that point of view - sh*tty rainy weather, very few attractive girls in sight. Sometimes there are so many of them, sometimes there's just nothing much around.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
19 Aug 2009 /  #103
You say there are mis-matches all over the world, but in previous posts you have gone on and on about how any loser from England can hook up with a Polish girl in the UK. You are contradicting yourself.

Where is the contriction, both are true and do not contradict, there are mismataches all over the world and even a loser like you can date an attractive Polish girl in the UK, for some reason, some of them seem to drop their standards when when enter the UK!

Many Italians in Italy are very bitter about their women, and a lot of them end up in Poland.

LOL! Yeah I encountered a few of them round the old town square in Krakow, slimey and predictable!

But you don't hear of them complaining about their women's (lack of) taste in men,

Like they would??? Of course Italian men think they are gods gift! Poor deluded creatures.

Anyway as to the rest of your post, you are still crying about something that doesnt really concern you...As for your bragging about having plenty of Polish girls..seems like you display the same lack of respect for women in Poland as you probably did in the UK...You're just a thirsty dog who needs putting down!

I didn't know how to arrange that.

Google is your friend...There are plenty of short term let apartments in every city in the world, you show your lack of experience when travelling! so you're either not used to travelling or you are a pi$$ poor student that can only afford £2 a night! Either way, you're a bit of a knob!

I usually stayed in a hostel

Blimey, you're a classy guy!
southern 75 | 7,096  
19 Aug 2009 /  #104
Still, you need to be a bit lucky I think

You create your luck.

very few attractive girls in sight

You are spoiled by Poland where the numbers of attractive girls are huge and you do not have to search.This is not the case in Ukraine.There are many cities worse than Lvov.
OP LukeXX 4 | 75  
19 Aug 2009 /  #105
I think you are completely mistaken about Ukraine.One time I spoke to a girl in a bus stop and when I suggested to her to go together to a cafe,she told me she wanted to go to my hotel room instead of going to cafe.

This sounds to me like a story of some years back. There was a time when you could get laid on the spot in Eastern European countries. But that is long gone as far as I know.

Having lived a part of the golden era, I now find it difficult to stomach some of those same girls delusion, obviously as a result of scores of ass kissing tourists.

Polish dating is again also highly frustrating no so much for the results, that compared with other European countries can be good, but because of girls' mindset.

You cannot not notice their bad taste and say to yourself:"how can she go for that loser"?
This type of frustration gets on the way big time.
Alx123 - | 180  
19 Aug 2009 /  #106
You create your luck.

That's true. But sometimes the environment just doesn't help.

Actually, I've found that Ukrainian girls as just as attractive or even more so, especially in Kiev. As I said, you need to be lucky. A friend of mine hated Lviv - said there was no good quality girls, but he was blown away by Kiev. In general, though, the average girl on the street in Ukraine is quite attractive, more than girls in say Moldova. But in Moldovian clubs, they seem to be much hotter than in Poland and Ukraine.
southern 75 | 7,096  
19 Aug 2009 /  #107
You cannot not notice and say to yourself:"how can she go for that loser"?

In Ukraine I never felt that girls hooked with losers.
Guess what,some of the losers holding hands of hot polish girls were looking at me with envy when I touched and got numbers of other hot polish girls who they could not approach.Being with a loser makes the girl vulnerable and easy prey.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
19 Aug 2009 /  #108
It makes me wonder if any of you ever get anywhere with Polish women at all. You all sound pretty lame the way you post.
SzwedwPolsce 11 | 1,595  
19 Aug 2009 /  #109
and finnish girls seem really easy.(is it so bad with men there?)

There is a rather big difference between how Finnish men and other Scandinavian men look.
southern 75 | 7,096  
19 Aug 2009 /  #110
I guess the finnish looks are not the more attractive ones.
Alx123 - | 180  
19 Aug 2009 /  #111
In Ukraine I never felt that girls hooked with losers.

Next time you are in Lviv, visit club Metro, especially the R n B floor. You will see exagerrated versions of all the 'low life' characters you have been describing (the rapper-style African guys, dodgy Turkish guys etc.) with pretty Ukrainian girls. As I said, it's not always easy to tell who's dating and who is being used for drinks, etc. but the girls are very comfortable in such company.

I had one very hot blond sitting on my lap there once, then some African guy walked by, and she got all excited, saying "It's Snoop Doggy Dog, 50Cent" etc. and started flirting with him. I get the impression you would not have approved :)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
19 Aug 2009 /  #112
It makes me wonder if any of you ever get anywhere with Polish women at all. You all sound pretty lame the way you post.

15 year olds in their bedroom with a copy of Razzle! Take no notice...
southern 75 | 7,096  
19 Aug 2009 /  #113
visit club Metro, especially the R n B floor

I have been there 2 years ago.There was nothing like that.Maybe it has changed.The dirt spreads everywhere.
Alx123 - | 180  
19 Aug 2009 /  #114
Having lived a part of the golden era, I now find it difficult to stomach some of those same girls delusion, obviously as a result of scores of ass kissing tourists.

I can relate to that. Even 2001-2003, I would say were the last years of the golden era. I wasn't in Poland before that time but during those years I felt at times I was living on an adult comedy movie set, all the crazy stuff that went on.

And in 2002,2004 I seldom saw a mismatched couple

I did notice a little as far back as in 2001 but it was easier to justify back then...I came across characters who would have had a very hard time scoring in England, but I put it down to the Polish fascination with anything foreign and the perception of foreigners as having money. Of course, times have changed, Poles are richer and better travelled, so it's not easy to justify anymore.

Also, I think there were fewer losers around at that time - it wasn't so cheap or easy to enter the country so there were fewer foreigners and Polish society was less segregated than it is now so the differences between people in terms of wealth, style etc. were less noticeable.
OP LukeXX 4 | 75  
19 Aug 2009 /  #115
Also, I think there were fewer losers around at that time - it wasn't so cheap or easy to enter the country so there were fewer foreigners and Polish society was less segregated than it is now so the differences between people in terms of wealth, style etc. were less noticeable.

Good point. The first wave of foreigners were the cool guys. Going there took some plannnig, and a bit of taste for adventure. And prob girls were receptive to that.

In more recent times, with budget airlines etc. , you got the invasion of Western losers. Obviously those guys got on top of hight value guys in such countries as Poland (that's the point I'm making here).

In fact, I blame Ryanair, Easyject etc for ruining the 'game' in Eastern Europe. All that they brought was mass tourist, drunken Brits on a stag night, scores of desperate needy guy and I connected to this last point the total delusion in local girls.

Hopefully it will be a long time before those damn airlines manage to fly to Siberia. It's a good thing now it takes 3-4 days by train from Moscow to get there.
Alx123 - | 180  
19 Aug 2009 /  #116
In fact, I blame Ryanair, Easyject etc for ruining the 'game' in Eastern Europe. All that they brought was mass tourist, drunken Brits on a stag night, scores of desperate needy guy and I connected to this last point the total delusion in local girls.

Very true. Those cheap airlines ruined it. And the type of loser-tourists that they brought over, mostly needy and desperate, certainly contributed to the local girls' 'delusion'.

The first wave of foreigners were the cool guys. Going there took some plannnig, and a bit of taste for adventure. And prob girls were receptive to that.

Yes, I remember that. No stag parties, no hordes of drunken Brits...the first wave included more cultured guys who kept their desires in check instead of going around grabbing, groping and giving out undeserved compliments to boring girls left right and centre. There was a certain harmony at that time. The average Polish girl somehow also seemed smarter. I'm not quite sure why. Probably, as you say, they were receptive to cool guys and also there was more competition among them.
mvefa 5 | 591  
19 Aug 2009 /  #117
What's the big issue? i mean if polish girls want to try something else than tiny polish sausage, they should have the right to...
OP LukeXX 4 | 75  
19 Aug 2009 /  #118
I thought this blog was banned to the under 12 year olds.
mvefa 5 | 591  
19 Aug 2009 /  #119
well i got through :P
Alx123 - | 180  
19 Aug 2009 /  #120
As for mismatched couples, you see it all over the world...to each their own....You only noticed it more because of your bitterness and obsession with it.

This is a slightly more reasoned attempt at refuting our opinions. However, it does not hold up because I've heard the same comments about mismatches from lots of women too, who have no reason to be obsessed by it. And to quote a Polish girl who I had coffee with a few weeks ago: "When I'm abroad I can recognise other Polish girls by looking at their boyfriends."

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