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Poland reverse of fortune in dating


OP LukeXX 4 | 75  
18 Aug 2009 /  #61
how can one fake being a loser?

I'm not sure myself as it can be like to fake being a loser.
But that can be simply go down to their level, talk simple, don't bring up anything intellectual as that would definitely spoil any chances to success.

For wife I would choose polish girl because any long term attempt to handle the constant ukrainian girls unpredictable moody changes and their manipulations to gain the upper hand will lead to chronic depression where only alcohol can help.(no wonder why slavic men are such heavy drinkers).

I remember the times not long ago when the town's local loner (in Southern Europe), that dodgy virgin guy well into his 40s still living with his mum, would get married to a East European. You thought it was incredible what a little money and a dating agency can do.

Then the phonemenon extended. All those guys going dry for year back home, uneducated with nothing going for themselves, would suddenly score in Poland. It was the time anyone could do it there.

Now, I'm not saying that one should bring a girls back home as a throphy, but on the other hand neither totally swallow one's pride and principles. A local girl would be the best I think.

There are about 1.5 billion people with internet access world wide, so what are the chances of meeting someone with the same idea as yourself?.
Must be one in a million?.

Well UNLIKE YOU I'm not in this blog to get the girls. I'm just here to share my opinions with any one person.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #62
How many brothels did you go to and how many prostitutes did you meet?,

I thought we had here serious discussion.I don't visit prostitutes anymore although I have heard that polish are among the best ones.(if not the best ones).

Keep in mind that russian,czech,ukrainian and even polish girls will tell you that prostitutes from their countries are the best because of some reasons.They are also surprised that german girls can be prostitutes since in their opinion they cannot cause erection due to their appearance.

Good description of yourself there Southern.

My techniques work all over Europe.It is not just the polish girls.When there is western girl you just get more advanced,when there is eastern european girl you get more simple.

But in home country you have to get control over the guys as well.If you don't control the guys,you are not respectable,the girl notices that and goes for your friend who is more respectable because he can control you.I mean that personality issues matter a lot.

While in eastern Europe it does not really matter if you control the guys because you are on your own and there are no guys to control.So sb naturally good with women has a much easier task in eastern Europe because he avoids the burden of being able to control the guys.

This is all.There you are on your own.No network,no support.Advantage for some,disadvantage for others.
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #63
Well this explanation give some credit to Polish girls, and I never thought about it.

It was too easy, perhaps wrongly to put it down only to bad taste in men.

Yes, there must be some expanation. Obviously, certain types of guys by the way they look, dress, speak etc. are sending out certain signals which don't sit well with Polish girls. The same attributes send out totally different signals to other girls.

Personally, I think the 'easy girl' label may have something to do with it. Polish girls are so afraid of being labelled 'easy' and they tend to perceive a handsome, confident, well-to-do guy as someone who is picking up lots of women. Being with such a guy might make them think 'Eeeeek, everyone will think I'm easy' or 'If I go out with this guy it means I am easy'. So they are more comfortable dating a less appealing guy. Which, of course, is quite absurd, because that in fact makes them easy for certain types of guys who don't normally get much action elsewhere - which is a lot of guys.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #64
Polish girls are so afraid of being labelled 'easy'

I remember a polish girl who told me:''I am very easy.''
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #65
how can one fake being a loser?

You dumb down as others have said. Keep it simple, don't appear too intellectual, don't let them think your are successful in business etc. (even if you are). From my experience in Poland, the guys who are themselves simple have been the most successful.

I laugh when I see on the Internet companies setting up Polish branches of seduction schools whose methods were developed in the west. The best 'technique' is no technique.

Personally, though, when I'm 'in the field' I have to make jokes and tease the girl but that's rather to entertain myself, so that I don't get too bored. However, I sometimes get the impression that I could achieve the same result or even better by cutting out the personality.

I remember a polish girl who told me:''I am very easy.''

That's very rare :) Though you might hear them say that in a self-pitying kind of way.
OP LukeXX 4 | 75  
18 Aug 2009 /  #66
LukeXX:
Well this explanation give some credit to Polish girls, and I never thought about it.
It was too easy, perhaps wrongly to put it down only to bad taste in men.

I'm quoting myself, but after some pondering I think I'm on something here.

Do Polish girls have really bad taste in men?

This is a question that cannot be avoided. You can put it donw to how they feel about themselves, inferiority complex, etc. But in the end no doubts it has also to comes down to bad taste in men.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #67
From my experience in Poland, the guys who are themselves simple

Simple and primitive.The girls there are intellectual and are attracted by primitive types.Even very macho etc.
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #68
No, you dont actually know anything, all you see is what your pathetic little brain signals are computing.

You are not saying anything with these comments. This is a discussion. The topic might not be of global importance, but it's still a discussion. So try to make a proper contribution instead of insulting everyone whose opinions you don't agree with.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #69
You are not saying anything with these comments.

Shelley actually admitted that very mediocre guys get hot girls in Poland.
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #70
OK, I missed that. Anyway, I think it's pretty obvious. I haven't heard anyone really contradict this observation.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
18 Aug 2009 /  #71
Shelley actually admitted that very mediocre guys get hot girls in Poland.

Mediocre foreigners (the ones who cant score in their own countries), MOST Polish women do just fine with inteligent, good looking Polish guys, no need to waste time on the second best bargain basement stuff that's landing at various airports around Poland from goodness know where.....;0)

You are not saying anything with these comments. This is a discussion. The topic might not be of global importance, but it's still a discussion. So try to make a proper contribution instead of insulting everyone whose opinions you don't agree with.

Do you honestly think I can respect a fool who makes such retarted statements. My post about British men was for a joke, since Im British and know British men very well, they come in all shapes and sizes with all different attributes, good and bad, Ive had chavs give up their seat on the bus and had well dressed guys exit a lift before me (which is rude)..so you can never tell what kind of a Brit he is until he displays the kind of manners he possesses, its a cultural thing and Polish people are not aware of these little things...
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #72
You guys agree with each other, it reinforces your twisted logic.
There are about 1.5 billion people with internet access world wide, so what are the chances of meeting someone with the same idea as yourself?.
Must be one in a million?

This is simply incorrect. There are actually plenty of foreign guys in Poland with similar opinions, admittedly guys of southern European descent tend to be the most vocal about this.

I expect girls on the forum probably think these opinions are fuelled by our bitterness and frustration. And while it true that guys who continuously voice negative opinions about women tend to be driven by bitterness on some level, that does not mean that there is no truth to those opinions.

Do you really think that we have separately come up with the same 'random' observations? Come on, man, if there is a pattern there must be something to it.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
18 Aug 2009 /  #73
Man, let me confess I liked your comments at first. But this overstretched sarchasm .. ops... wait ... makes me .. wait ... keep yawning ... ops wait ... now.

i was thinking about this reply, this is the first time on this forum someone has been annoyed because I said they were not an ass.

I thought we had here serious discussion.I don't visit prostitutes anymore

That was a serious question.
I have seen it in many countries.
Thailand is a perfect example.
The girls might not be out and out prostitutes but they are not with the big old European guy for his intelligence or good looks.

I think a lot of the time it is very okay, both partys get something.
There are of course many exceptions but we are not talking about those yet.

Alx123
I expect girls on the forum probably think these opinions are fuelled by our bitterness and frustration. And while it true that guys who continuously voice negative opinions about women tend to be driven by bitterness on some level,

This has been the most sensible thing I have read from you so far on this thread.
I don't think it is just the girls on the forum, is the only bit I would add to it.

that does not mean that there is no truth to those opinions.

No but it does not prove any truth to the opinions either.

Do you really think that we have separately come up with the same 'random' observations? Come on, man, if there is a pattern there must be something to it.

I agree and you have just answered your own question with this statement.

I expect girls on the forum probably think these opinions are fuelled by our bitterness and frustration. And while it true that guys who continuously voice negative opinions about women tend to be driven by bitterness on some level

southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #74
Thailand is a perfect example.
The girls might not be out and out prostitutes but they are not with the big old European guy for his intelligence or good looks.

Thailand is for pedos.You cannot compare Poland to Thailand.No pedo travels to Poland.There are no ladyboys in Poland,no mass prostitution.

There are polish girls who go for money of course.What Luke,Alx and me are trying to say is that there is a big proportion of polish women who date consciously mediocre guys independantly of their income and probably because of romantic reasons which we cannot understand.

We cannot understand where lies the attraction and where the perversion and low self esteem.
TheOther 5 | 3,711  
18 Aug 2009 /  #75
We cannot understand where lies the attraction

Maybe those guys have charme and are good listeners? The looks are only important when you first meet. Afterwards they're just a "nice to have".
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #76
Maybe those guys have charme and are good listeners?

No.They would never be chosen by westen women.
OP LukeXX 4 | 75  
18 Aug 2009 /  #77
Let me reinforce this point by adding that when it comes to bad taste in men (for whatever reason that might be), Polish girls are on a class on their own. No contest here.

Of course I can think of occasional instances of European girls who go out with low quality guys.

But here we are talking of something on a national scale.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #78
when it comes to bad taste in men (for whatever reason that might be), Polish girls are on a class on their own.

Czech girls are no exception to this trend.They also choose very disproportionate partners.However they are somehow forgiven since they do not take appearance into account.
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #79
I agree and you have just answered your own question with this statement.

The point I was making was why have we made this particular observation (irrespective of whatever underlying feelings/motives you believe we have)? Why not, for example, 'pretty Polish girls only are interested in rich guys' or 'pretty Polish girls are only interested in very handsome guys' or 'pretty Polish girls only go for guys with long hair'...why? because those things are not true.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #80
'pretty Polish girls only are interested in rich guys'

This is partially true.I mean ''many pretty polish girls are interested in rich guys.''
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #81
Do you honestly think I can respect a fool who makes such retarted statements

Why are they retarded? You have been saying nothing, only dishing out insults. If you think the topic is dumb, don't contribute. If you disagree with the opinions, then explain. Who are these MOST Polish women? How much time have you spent in Poland? Sounds like you are making this up to me.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #82
We have however to admit that the average polish girl is a mis-match for the average polish guy in western eyes,that is why there seem to be so many mis-matches maybe.
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #83
Actually, I've seen more handsome Polish guys who seem to have stuff going for them with unattractive girls and more unappealing Polish guys with very attractive girls.

This is one thing I don't quite get about the culture. If I was a Polish guy, seeing all these attractive girls around me who give little importance to a guy's looks and other obvious outward signs of coolness, I would not want to end up with an average or below average girl, knowing that theoretically I have the same chance as everyone else. Yet it's strange, everyone gets to hook up with everyone and I rarely observe any signs of envy or dissatisfaction among the guys with the less attractive girls. There is a certain harmony in the Polish dating society.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #84
all these attractive girls around me who give little importance to a guy's looks

Are you sure?I think polish girls pay attention to guys' looks.And in 2002,2004 I seldom saw a mismatched couple,like it is the case now.Maybe it has more to do with destruction of the social network.I mean some ugly guys may have become richer while there was equality before and girls chose by looks.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
18 Aug 2009 /  #85
Why are they retarded? You have been saying nothing, only dishing out insults. If you think the topic is dumb, don't contribute. If you disagree with the opinions, then explain. Who are these MOST Polish women? How much time have you spent in Poland? Sounds like you are making this up to me.

I've been to Poland 3 times, I also have Polish friends (well one that lives in the country now, the girls have gone home with their husbands - rather attractive husbands I may add), I’m almost sure that Polish women would probably say the same as me, after all they are women and maybe you are just a tiny bit bitter because you didn’t score, because had you got laid, you wouldn’t be here crying about Polish women..Simple really.

I've changed my mind you are not an idiot, that’s an insult to simple minded people, you are just a loser and women can smell this a mile away..Hence the reason you didn’t score your pathetic approaches (premeditated - probably rehearsed in front a mirror, didn’t work...contrived and controlled) it didn't work..

As for mismatched couples, you see it all over the world...to each their own....You only noticed it more because of your bitterness and obsession with it.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #86
Yes,I recently was in Agia Napa in Cyprus and saw an absolutely mediocre looking english guy with a hot woman.The mismatch was so obvious that I thought she was polish and talked to her in polish only to discover that she was actually english!

I also saw a lot of mismatched english pairs in Sidari Corfu where english pairs travel for romance.
I didn't see so many mismatched pairs in Sweden,Germany(socialism effect?) but I also saw a lot in USA.
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #87
I've been to Poland 3 times, I also have Polish friends.

The first two lines of that post seemed like an attempt at making a constructive contribution, the rest just nonsense assumptions. For your information, I can pick up a lot more girls than I get because I'm not looking to get laid with as many village girls as possible, despite what impression you might get. I've been through that and I know that game well - I had more than some, not as many as others, but enough to teach me what type of girl I should be going for and, more importantly, what type of girl I shouldn't. I don't believe in rehearsing lines/routines etc., I'd rather be myself...I was just giving examples before of what type of stuff works.

I do, however, think that the dating scene in Poland works in very weird ways and makes interesting discussion. You say there are mis-matches all over the world, but in previous posts you have gone on and on about how any loser from England can hook up with a Polish girl in the UK. You are contradicting yourself.

Again, it comes back to the same question....why do we focus on the mis-match thing in Poland (and the Slavic region in general, I guess)? Why don't you hear of this elsewhere. Many Italians in Italy are very bitter about their women, and a lot of them end up in Poland. Their main gripe is that good-looking Italian women are only interested in money or fame. An exagerration perhaps. But you don't hear of them complaining about their women's (lack of) taste in men, though. But why the mis-match thing in Poland? Could it be because there might be some truth to it?

And I don't think it's always such a bad thing: Luke's stories about the disabled guys - well, I also feel happy for those guys. In those cases, it's great there are places like Poland. However, as southern says, there are also loads of guys who are totally undeserving of the attention.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #88
and the Slavic region in general, I guess)?

In Ukraine I did not see mismatches(except the common old foreigner-young average looking girl phenomenon).
In Czech Republic I saw a lot of mismatches but again it is explained given the local culture.
In Slovakia I saw very few mismatches.Among serbian girls almost no mismatches.In Hungary some mismatches but not very common.

In 2004 when I visited Poznan all good looking polish girls were with polish guys.Now I noticed less girls,much less boys and a lack of pairs.
Alx123 - | 180  
18 Aug 2009 /  #89
Are you sure?I think polish girls pay attention to guys' looks.

They pay attention, but they don't give it too much importance. Unless you mean that they pay attention to bad looks ;) I've seen really good-looking guys walk into a bar in Krakow (which is quite rare) and not a single head would turn. In England, the girls would be like "Whoaa, he's fitttt!" As I wrote above, this in principle is a good thing for men in general - but if a guy is also a loser, obviously lying about his background, etc. (e.g. those African guys in Krakow who pretend to be from Jamaica or UK) then it makes your stomach churn a bit.

In Ukraine I did not see mismatches

Oh man, I don't know where you were in Ukraine....but in one particular disco in Lviv, I remember seeing some rather shocking mismatches. Pretty local girls with really cheesy, overly-horny guys, I'd say probably from Turkey, whose style appeared to date back to the Michael Jackson Thriller era. I don't know if they were dating, but the fact that the girls were giving them the time of day was bad enough. Worse than in Poland for sure.
southern 75 | 7,096  
18 Aug 2009 /  #90
but in one particular disco in Lviv, I remember seeing some rather shocking mismatches. Pretty local girls with really cheesy, overly-horny guys, I'd say probably from Turkey

I did not see that.When were you in Lviv?I have never seen mismatches in Ukraine except in the case of the rich russian men followed by models.

I also saw mismatches with russian girls when they come for vaccation but again most of the cases involve average looking russian girls and some of them probably date to get an employment so I am not sure.

Only in Czech Republic I saw obvious,extraordinary mismatches but there again a lot of things are hidden so you never know.

To be with sb in disco means nothing.If you saw me in polish disco,you would think I got all the girls myself.

Have you seen polish girls systematically dating Blacks,pakis,Turks and Arabs?I saw it in some cases and it was rather disgusting even more because it involved beautiful girls and mediocre looking guys.(except in the case of one Arab who was good looking).

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