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Abuse in relationships (my first Polish girlfriend)


ZIMMY 6 | 1,602  
12 Dec 2009 /  #181
feminists? You probably dont even know the meaning of that word.

It's obvious that I know exactly what feminism is about and have more than noted that in some of these threads. Don't be intentionally naive.

have you ever thought for one second why domestic violence against men came about? Do you think that women maybe got sick of being punch bags??

Typical female excuse on your part. When a woman hits a man women ask; "what did he do to make her hit him?" When a man hits a woman then women conversely state, "he is such an abuser". No questions asked.

You seem to be that kind of woman who fears the reality that women abusers exist and in large numbers.

The abused became abusers...sad but true - it has nothing to do with feminism.

Once again, your prove my point. So you seem to be unaware that female abusers do it because they can and not because they were abused.

As to feminism, the vast majority of so-called feminist leaders either deny female abusiveness or pretend that it is rare. You are evidently unfamiliar with the many articles and statements from feminists in that regard. So yes, feminism is part of the problem in understanding the totality of domestic violence.

menweb.org/battered/satel.htm
Yes indeed, with women like you its 'always his fault'.

.....from the link "feminists have stretched the definition of abuse to include acts of lying, humiliation, withholding information, and refusing help with child care or housework, under the term "psychological battery." A checklist from a brochure of the Westchester Coalition of Family Violence agencies tells women if their partner behaves in one or more of the following ways, including "an overprotective manner," "turns minor incidents into major arguments," or "insults you," then "you might be abused."

Of course by that definition, all men have been abused, but feminists don't know logic.
nomaderol 5 | 726  
12 Dec 2009 /  #182
have you ever thought for one second why domestic violence against men came about? Do you think that women maybe got sick of being punch bags???? The abused became abusers...

have you ever thought about this too:

when one person kills another person s/he is put into the jail... when one person (ex bush, saddam, etc) kills millions of people they are clapped and live luxury lifes and these kinds makes the rules.. if you clap and dont blame suchs, you will see their reflections (husbands) in your houses. women, do not cry. this system (violent capitalism blessed by you women screaming power power power!) is a product of you and your dog males..
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602  
12 Dec 2009 /  #183
I've gotta go......but the following link is too much fact and reality for females who have bought into the feminist misandry that is so prevalent in our current cultures. Indeed, they can look at the studies listed in the link below and it still won't register with them; that is how defensive these types of women are.

csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
kuki - | 2  
12 Dec 2009 /  #184
and I certainly don't have a history of being violent

right, you don't.smashing your laptop, because you got angry with your gf, punching walls, wardrobe door, smashinh up a little table and throwing mugs at walls.nah, you'reot violent at all.

Justysia knows nothing about the situation?yeah, and if you could, you'd say the same about me.lol

I've done nothing wrong.

nah, of course not.i'm just making it up.

All the so called stuff

was actually mine

oh was it?

she was whacking me round the face with it

you have to be joking!you STEPPED ON IT.ON PURPOSE.

what happened that day

you should tell!you like sharing your little stories with others on this forum, so go on then!tell it!
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
12 Dec 2009 /  #185
kuki

i had a bad feeling about this guy right from the start and i warned my friend about dating him. i am not intending to bring up any stuff i know about, i think you should lay low for a while lefty and learn to control your bad temper outbursts.

All the so called stuff that was hers she talks about was actually mine

so you destroyed your own straighteners and you smashed your own phone? do you know how rediculous this sounds? even if they belonged to you, it would be well scary to watch you do it!
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
13 Dec 2009 /  #186
For instance, if a woman hits a man, women more often than not will say: "what did he do to her to make her do that".

Zimmy, why are you so one sided? do you have stats on how many women say that
peticular sentence??

women are in competition with each other, same as men are , so if someone
gets into a fight, or a woman is hitting a man, the first thing I think of is how
many drinks she sucked down to get so beligerant. cause normal people dont
do that.

if the guy is hot, why would I side with the girl??

I might go up to him and ask why she hit him and console him.. same as many other
girls might do because they have a natural tendency to mother.

I think your just throwing out sentences , because none of what you come up
with Ive witnessed.

ive also experienced being in between two friends, one or the other has hit/started
the argument, your friends with both, both are talking to you, both have valid points
both have done something to hurt the other, what would I do. I cant take sides, because
both are my friends, and thats how it is now a days, there is equal parts female and male
friends now a days, so its not like what you describe, because there is more coed
friendships.

I think your relationship- your past with your ex, has put you in a place zimmy
that none of us will understand, I dont know if she abused you, but I cant see
someone becoming so obscessed with this type of thing unless hes suffered a massive
breakdown in his life/marriage.

not saying your not a good person, but you have to let go of this vendetta you carry
because its way to much. you do sound like a true woman hater at times and maybe
thats not how you feel, but it is all about perception and you definately have not
stood up for any females /or anything that is about it.. maybe I missed some
conversations on here, but even now I come back here and there and the conversations with you are still the same..

sorry, thats what I am seeing.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
13 Dec 2009 /  #187
Typical female excuse on your part. When a woman hits a man women ask; "what did he do to make her hit him?" When a man hits a woman then women conversely state, "he is such an abuser". No questions asked.

Its not really an excuse now is it, men have been abusing women for centuries, now just because a few women (certainly not the same numbers of men) give a bloke a slap, we get whining fannies like you crying about men being abused!

womensaid.org.uk/domestic_violence_topic.asp?section=0001000100220036&sectionTitle=Statistics

1 in 4 women in the UK suffer domestic violence Zim, I suppose these are all "feminists"

Once again, your prove my point. So you seem to be unaware that female abusers do it because they can and not because they were abused.

Women hit back out of desparation, women dont just decide to start attacking a man, women are not built that way, they are not wired that way, years or even months of abuse can change a person.

More stats for you Zim:

homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/reducing-crime/domestic-violence

not saying your not a good person, but you have to let go of this vendetta you carry
because its way to much. you do sound like a true woman hater at times

He sounds like a complete bloody nut! We're not women Pattie, we're "feminists" lol :D Zimmy there are shelters for battered men in the UK, we are aware that this happens, but when it starts happening on the same scale as it happens to women, then you can have equal sympathy. By the way if you look at abuse against men, its usually gay couples, so the abuser is actually male!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are they feminists because they're gay??? PMSL!
time means 5 | 1,309  
13 Dec 2009 /  #188
give a bloke a slap, we get whining fannies like you crying about men being abused!

What bull ****.

Abuse is abuse or do you think female to male abuse is fine?
southern 75 | 7,096  
13 Dec 2009 /  #189
Some systems women use in the metro to gain better position:
1.Kicking your ankles ''by accident'' in order to make you move.My answer.If she does this again,I give her a kick as well.

2.Coughing in your face to make you move.My answer:If repeated,i cough with spit on their face.
3.Pushing all over to make you move.My answer:I do not mover no matter how hard they push.Then all their pushing power gets back to them and they stop.Or better:When they start to push I get fast away so they have no support and fall down.

4.Small punching on your back to make you move.Pull your hands to make you move.Once I turned around and punched her the same way she did.She was shocked.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
13 Dec 2009 /  #190
What bull ****.

Abuse is abuse or do you think female to male abuse is fine?

I have already stated its unacceptable for violence by either. But its just quite ironic that some knob like Zimmy to come on here crying about women abusing men...whoops, sorry feminists abusing men...When women have been putting up with this crap for years and in most cases dont talk about it because they are so ashamed or believe its the norm because they've been subjected to it for years.

1.Kicking your ankles ''by accident'' in order to make you move.My answer.If she does this again,I give her a kick as well.
2.Coughing in your face to make you move.My answer:If repeated,i cough with spit on their face.
3.Pushing all over to make you move.My answer:I do not mover no matter how hard they push.Then all their pushing power gets back to them and they stop.Or better:When they start to push I get fast away so they have no support and fall down.
4.Small punching on your back to make you move.Pull your hands to make you move.Once I turned around and punched her the same way she did.She was shocked.

You've dated some classy women is all I can say.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768  
13 Dec 2009 /  #191
interesting, so because abuse happened to other women, it's ironic that Zimmy doesn't like it happening to men? Where's the irony? Unless of course he is the one who abused all women throughout history, if that's your case for irony then i guess everything's clear.

I'm not sticking up for the guy cause I think he's coming off a little too hard done by but I don't think you've presented anymore balance on this subject than he has.

bye.
nomaderol 5 | 726  
13 Dec 2009 /  #192
An (honest) woman once told me a universal truth and that is; "women will try to get away with as much as possible until a (real) man tells them 'no'."

she isn't honest. just a bluff, a blow, a cheap fake game. i never take suchs as serious. when 'no' is said by a real man once there should never be 'yes' anymore. a brave heart is needed for that. 99,9999...% of people say this, but, they change to 'yes'.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602  
13 Dec 2009 /  #193
Zimmy, why are you so one sided?

I overview; the one-sidedness is all yours as you ignore all the facts while continuing to believe the standard hogwash.

I think your relationship- your past with your ex, has put you in a place zimmy
that none of us will understand,

Typical female projections; cut out the psychobabble. I deal with facts when it comes to issues, not 'feelings'.

sorry, thats what I am seeing.

So you did not look at my links which conclusively give you real facts and not the agenda driven nonsense that is so prevalent. Like many women you see what you want to see and not what has been objectively presented. My next comment below gives such an example.

now just because a few women (certainly not the same numbers of men) give a bloke a slap,

I cannot believe this poster even braved looking at my links, and if she did then either her comprehension skills are seriously lacking or she "sees what she wants to see".

Women hit back out of desparation, women dont just decide to start attacking a man, women are not built that way,

Pathetic.
Okay, here is a question for both of you. I will repost a link which has many disparate studies, that is, studies that are not related to each other or are agenda driven. Amathyst in particular seems to have bought all the hogwash that feminist organizations have spewed these past several decades; that men are evil and women are good. Pity.

Now here is my question; what is it about the following link that you do not comprehend?
csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Take some time and review the bottom lines of the various studies. and try 'critical dissonant thinking'. What that means is this; there are many assumptions we make about things which we believe to be true only to discover to our surprise and sometimes shock to be wrong. It's hard to give up ideas that make us 'feel' comfortable. Only objective and rational people can.

Get Divorce Insurance or better yet; don't get married until some semblance of equality is mandated. Divorce is frequently the ultimate abuse.
the-spearhead.com/2009/12/12/marital-insurance-an-idea-whose-time-has-come
drow21 1 | 35  
14 Dec 2009 /  #194
ive been hit by my polish gf several times and im not bleeting about it, im sure i deserved it
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602  
14 Dec 2009 /  #195
ive been hit by my polish gf several times

Leave her!

Of course your experience does not register with (most) women; there is some sort of female blind spot on this subject as women seem to have a need to present themselves as the 'victim class'. Also, many women consider the men in their lives as mere extensions of themselves. For instance, frequently women expect you to know exactly how they are feeling and they expect you to understand these ‘feelings’ even when these feelings are not expressed. So women consider men as a part of their internal chemistry, like a bowel movement.
OP Lefty 13 | 124  
14 Dec 2009 /  #196
ZIMMY

Jesus man... WE GET THE POINT!
drow21 1 | 35  
14 Dec 2009 /  #197
i know that i basically had to change who i was to make her happy , but i suppose i had to grow sometime
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
14 Dec 2009 /  #198
Typical female projections

so should I say typical male response? because you didnt really answer me, you
definately danced around the whole subject, and tried to make me look bad by
calling my post typical and psychobabble, but someone who isnt brainwashed like
you are can/could clearly see my post wasnt meant to bring on bad responses.

you just hate women, so please admit it, its obvious, you treat them badly, you
prob were a nice guy at one time before your brain became fried with this.

I overview; the one-sidedness is all yours as you ignore all the facts while continuing to believe the standard hogwash.

What hogwash? I was talking to you? talking about you not the feminist bullshyt.

earth to zimmy?? yes, can you please come back to earth because You forgot to
answer the questions properly..

Typical female projections; cut out the psychobabble. I deal with facts when it comes to issues, not 'feelings'.

so describe the facts of your divorce to us so we can better understand what
type of woman you lived with or was it all you zimmy?? can you read the sentences
I wrote before or are you just psychobabbling yourself??

you keep skipping around all the questions, and trust me no feelings were poured into
this, just asking questions which you seem to keep avoiding..

I like a man being a man, but that doesnt mean him putting me down, making
a woman feel like she is less then what she is, a man should support as well as
a woman supporting her husband because it takes two people to make it work!!!

its funny how you keep describing how women should be women, they want to work
but you never point out how many men, arent being men, there is plenty of men
who dont want to work, dont want to provide for their children.. what facts can
you provide us about these low lifes??

you keep bringing up those who have been abused ,or women who left their children
what about the men who left? or is this another denial / skip the subject so to speak.

I would really love to hear your take on those who are men who dont step up
to the plate when they have abused or denied their familys.

He sounds like a complete bloody nut! We're not women Pattie, we're "feminists" lol :D Zimmy there are shelters for battered men in the UK, we are aware that this happens, but when it starts happening on the same scale as it happens to women, then you can have equal sympathy.

I cant say that I disagree, hes managed to avoid answering my questions.

its useless to talk with him because like foreinger said, he comes on a bit hard.
so its not like people can really converse normally with him because he goes into
zimmy mode .. not discussion mode.

ahh well, thought I would try.
lol
Foreigner4 12 | 1,768  
14 Dec 2009 /  #199
like foreinger said, he comes on a bit hard.

I'm not choosing sides here, i think you all suck differently but equally.
But fyi, you've just managed to type a lot but effectively communicate very little perhaps you went on a bit of rant yourself?

zimmy mode

meet Pat19 mode

Have a nice day:)
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602  
14 Dec 2009 /  #200
This thread is about "Abuse in Relationships" (not my divorce or yours or any other anecdotal situation) and I've more than made my point that in domestic scenarios women are at least as abusive as men. That information seems to be a shock to the women here as they have failed to comment on the Feibert link which sums up hundreds of studies regarding this matter.

Pointing out facts is not ranting; ranting is asking questions, sometimes personal, which have nothing to do with the topic. To Patrycja and Amalthyst, don't join a debate club.
Amathyst 19 | 2,702  
14 Dec 2009 /  #201
I cannot believe this poster even braved looking at my links,

It has nothing to do with being brave enough, I just find you incredibly boring and like most links its about how fcuking hard done to men are....boo hoo!

To Patrycja and Amalthyst, don't join a debate club.

Thanks for the advice, now I'll give you some, dont date women, they are better off without you.

Is this your best friend Zim?

angryharry.com/esDomesticViolenceUKAFewTruths.htm
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602  
14 Dec 2009 /  #202
It has nothing to do with being brave enough,

You continue to cower behind your myths.

I just find you incredibly boring

The truth has been like a slap to your face (metaphorically speaking).

most links its about how fcuking hard done to men are....boo hoo!

As you are well aware, there is no comparison between the amount of misandry these past decades have wrought. One study noted that there was an astounding ratio of 23 to 1 when it came to women berating men in books, magazine articles, etc vs men expounding negativity to women. ... and todays women wonder why men have tossed chivalry.

Is this your best friend Zim?

Angry Harry (among others, and the list is growing ladies) is pretty good. You should read him objectively instead of from your imprisoned feminist soul.

dont date women, they are better off without you

I often reject women who show an interest in me; after all, I only have so much time for my current two girlfriends.

Double standards (as usual) but at the end, some hope for objectivity.
youtube.com/watch?v=zaMAPiYStf4&feature=related
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
15 Dec 2009 /  #203
Zimmy come on man, you're just some girl (probably Shelleys) taking the pyss out of people, you can tell me on pm i refuse to believe you're dead serious about all that.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,602  
17 Dec 2009 /  #204
You know Sokrates, I (still) like you too much to be upset with your frequent ignorance in subjects related to gender. In fact, I like you so much that if you walked into a fine upscale restaurant, I'd let you buy me dinner with drinks.

.boo hoo!

Are you the woman in this video?
youtube.com/watch?v=qX526XnTMq8&feature=fvw
nomaderol 5 | 726  
18 Dec 2009 /  #205
I often reject women who show an interest in me; after all, I only have so much time for my current two girlfriends.

a very, but, true feminist saying me she has a bf and she is happy. i listen her silently and wait and see (not by eyes) her after a week or two. Unhappy... i dont know if she has a bf or not.
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
19 Dec 2009 /  #206
my current two girlfriends.

Lodówka and Wazelina? i'm sure with those two, you have no time for women

a very, but, true feminist saying me she has a bf and she is happy. i listen her silently and wait and see (not by eyes) her after a week or two. Unhappy... i dont know if she has a bf or not.

oh oh who might that be
beckski 12 | 1,617  
19 Dec 2009 /  #207
Are you the woman in this video?

That video looks fake and very planned.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
20 Dec 2009 /  #208
You know Sokrates, I (still) like you too much to be upset with your frequent ignorance in subjects related to gender. In fact, I like you so much that if you walked into a fine upscale restaurant, I'd let you buy me dinner with drinks.

I can't decide whether you're pulling my leg or are you really this creepy.

All that closet dislike toward women, i bet you've got more teenage girls buried in your garden then even Southern.
southern 75 | 7,096  
20 Dec 2009 /  #209
bet you've got more teenage girls buried in your garden then even Southern.

I don't have them in my garden.
Lir  
20 Dec 2009 /  #210
i bet you've got more teenage girls buried in your garden then even Southern.

Phew.:(

I don't have them in my garden.

:(

What is this forum really about? I wonder cos it seems less and less about Poland these days?

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