Polish Integration with other Nationalities

It's all relative...a concept you're not aware of!

Here is the ignorance of a 12 year old, as I was, I thought people regardless of their colour were English..silly me, when I went to secondary school (high school for Amercians) I heard to girls ripping sh*t out of each other - Jamacans don't scare their faces like the nasty Africans and Jamacans are stupid... That was my intodcution to muticulturism!

There are russian persons who give 1000$ as a tip to the waiter.

same to casino staff!...

It is great to serve the oligarches.

Really? If you call this "good" then I am even more against your dismay at Poland's ethnic composition:


bsimmons.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/the-death-of-sweden


You referred to the color of your skin on many occasions while describing your experience in Poland. Let's face it, your issue is not just any non-Pole but a non-white one.


Some of it did just happen, as you say. A lot of it happened because most blacks were, in the US of A, deemed unable to achieve much without being ensured support via what is known as "affirmative action". This "action" is in fact offensive to blacks, and that is not just me view, but one I share with many black leaders in the US.


Why is it strange? That type of people are to be found pretty much in any country. In Poland, after some 80% of the last 200 years, Poles just started enjoying Poland for Poles. You are welcome as a visitor, and as far as I know, as a resident, but for your own sake, appreciate that instead of criticizing the intolerance. Especially that you appear to have little tolerance for the homogenous nature of Poland, one of the few remaining countries where native people are a decisive majority. Only 10% of world population is white.


I have a feeling Poles like it that way, and that's what seems to irk you.


That was to be expected. When you were about 6 or 7 years old the process started full force. It wasn't about integration. It was about money. Prime real estate and prime areas were inhabited by the poor blacks and hispanics. That could not continue so they were pushed out, indeed to Brooklyn among others. The largest hit was the City of Yonkers. Yonkers had to pay $1mil a day for refusing to fund so called "affordable housing", aka "projects". We both know what these are, don;t we? Simply put, NYC didn't want the poor, Yonkers didn't want them either. Most of them were non-whites.


Some here are racists, some simply have racial preferences that differ from yours. Yes, you do show a doze of racism when you display your dissatisfaction with Poland's ethnic composition and insufficient number of non-whites.

It seems that anybody with a skin darker than mine has the right to pi.ss at us, but when we try to save our heritage, culture and tradition then we are called racists.

I mean I've made clear that I'm not for forcing integration of any kind, I'm not for importing other races, and by multicultural I never said that meant just bringing some more blacks, that would be a very limited view of multiculturalism. Since you know where I'm from you should understand that by multiculturalism I mean something more, I don't know why you're trying to make it seem like this is about black people. If I'm complaining that my black skin is an issue, it doesn't follow that we need more blacks, I think it just means that in order for greater tolerance and understanding between Poles and different races, there should be more interaction with different cultures.

This is likely to happen through festivals taking place here in Warsaw, cultural events, entering the EU, and things like preparations for the Euro in 2012. I think the latter could have a big impact in transforming the landscape.

As far as my dissatisfaction with Poland's ethnic composition, I think this homogeneity is unfortunate seeing as Poland was historically multi-ethnic, and has only become homogenous as a result of various manmade tragedies, so I'd say that today's poland is the result of sad social engineering. so I find your statement here puzzling:


Your culture and heritage has been traditionally diverse. I'm not pissing at you or at Poland, I'm just complaining about the racist elements, if you find this unfair, then I think you might have some moral issues.

However, Poland is the way it is now, and that's that. What bothers me is the intolerance that appears to have a stronger presence here than in some other homogenous places, like the rural 100% white areas of Switzerland i'd been to, where people might have stared at me funny, but I never dealt with menacing contingents. It's only normal that I should complain about innapropriate behavior.

However, I DO think there is something completely ridiculous in the idea of courting capitalism in a big city like Warsaw, letting all these foreign/international companies move in, while saying that the streets should remain 99% Polish. I see a lot of multicultural advertsiments here which I'm not quite sure what to make of, seeing as they don't reflect the city's make-up at all. But if all this commercial development is to be welcomed at all, then so should the multiculturalism that usually comes with it.

Foreigners are gonna seep in slowly but surely, I just take that as a fact, and it is an additional reason to lament the presence of racist elements in the city, because there will surely be conflict. And I have no qualms to say that it is those racist elements that should go, not the foreigners. Being a native Pole doesn't mean you can be cruel to non-native Poles, no one has a right to cruelty.

So in the end I don't know what you're problem with me is since I don't want to "engineer" anything. Multi-ethnicity has been a part of Poland's history for a long time. The recent history is an anomaly. Poland's major cities I'm guessing, are on their way to becoming multi-cultural again, because of development, etc. So my sentiments are in tune with the direction things are taking.

I'm not against Polish national identity and Polish culture - this is Poland. But I think it is unfortunate that there are racist elements here, and that they could proliferate unchecked within a homogenous environment. I welcome the trend towards multiculturalism which will bring these racist elements into the spotlight and deal with them. They shouldn't be left to stand so proud.

So Again, what I protest is racism - which is wrong since it causes other people to suffer - if you think this is wrong of me then I can only consider you immoral.

As far as my satisfaction with Poland's ethnic composition,I think this homogeneity is fortunate.
It is great to be in a place full of Slavs.

that's cool, but aren't you pissed off that the country's cultural tradition was destroyed by ******** (hitler, Stalin, etc...)

I wouldn't touch a black woman a 6 foot bar pole... does that make me racist? :)

Although there are some stunning half-cast girls. It must be that white beauty within them.

WOULDN'T TOUCH HER WITH YOURS

I don't know, I mean it is down to who you fancy, I think.
But say if I changed it and said I wouldn't touch an English woman a 6 foot bar pole... does that make me racist? (this comment is not true)

I wouldn't touch either black woman in that photo, nor would I touch the white woman behind them. Is that woman representative of all white women, no - I would be retarded to use her as an example, and I would be just as retarded to use those black women as an example of black female physical appearance.

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My take on the historic multi-ethnic composition of Poland, which is used lately to promote multi-culturalism everywhere, the truth is this:
There has been allways blood-exchange with slavic and in smaller significance nordic people from regions neighbouring Poland. Trade routes led from the Balitc to Romanic area from the middle ages on. There has allways been connection to our christian neighbours, a brotheralike especially to Hungarians.

We had a border with ottomans for some decades - diplomatic, economic and scientific, medical exchanges and respect for each other, but there was no islamic community in Poland. About 800 muslims live in Poland since the 17thC - they came from the Krim and were our militaric allies in wars with siedmiogród and sweds, they migrated to Poland in that small number coz their empire was in trouble or s.th. They habitate some small villages. They led their lives - we led ours.

Mieszko allowed in hard times the jews to settle in Poland - this was the only large scalle migration from strangers. The jews were reserved, though jewish girls married polish boys and the offspring was regarded jewish by the community. There were some problems but on the large scalle, They led their lives - we led ours.

It is unfortunate if a interracial couple is really in love determined to live their lives together - but Poland is not the place.


It's great to be in a homogenously populized country, as tourist or citizen the same.
It's terrible to go into a Bavarian pub and see a Turkey-flag hanging from the wall.

You know something? There are many Poles in Germany, but they are at least that decent not to hang Polish flags everywhere. Some though are idiots who show the Germans that they are foreigners in their own country.


It was not destroyed, by a matter of fact it was unfortunate to loose Lwów but on the other hand we returned in the areas of historic Poland and adjusted quite well to that. Many from eastern Poland were moved to the new areas in the west.

Some people do not like overly fat women, some do
so why can't someone not fancy black women, anyway I think ASG was making light of the subject.

Here we go again: "If you don't like multic-culti then you must be a supporter of totalitarian ideologies"... Goebels would be proud of you.

I don't fancy black women either, but I wouldn't post such a stupid picture to prove my point, it's not funny, it's racist...man...I really was the last person one would expect to turn PC.

Racist? No. Ignorant? Yes unless you weren't into white women. But I'm not attracted to black women at all. I find some half-castes attractive because they just look like a tanned white woman.


It was a bit of humour. I'm generally not attracted to black women. In my honest opinion they all look the same. Half Caste women can be attractive because of their lighter bronze-like tone. I don't think alot of white men are particularly attracted to black women and there are black guys that aren't attracted to black women either. The biggest put off, even for a half-caste or even white girl, is the "gangsta" chavvy talk.

tomek, you seem to know what you are talking about. I have a question, when I first came to Poland I was surprised by the un-european look of some of the Polish population, from the slanting eyes of what was told to me to be Mongolian, to what I recognise as dark skin and flat noses similar to that of black people.

I am from Ireland, no real trading root, and not much mixing, a few Norse men and a couple of English (two exactly and I know them lol)

Let us think for a moment and see that multi-culturism has done for the UK

The Chineese have set up massive sunk farms so they sell drugs.
The Jamacans have set up crack houses so they can sell drugs.
The muslims / Asians have bombed inocent people on their way to work.
The Africans are defrauding the benefits system by buying children in Africa and bringing them here so they can claim for them.
All the above run quite lucrative people trafficing too along with prostitution rings.

Yep multi-culturism is a wonderful thing.

mongols charged up to the vistularegion in some times in the history, some say you can find dschinges khan genes throughout the caucasian region up to middle europe. some dinarian faces can be identified as well. you will find darker skin - as poland once occupied the region up to the black sea - and you will find blondes as well in hungary as you will find darker skin in poland.

The flat nosed ones are generaly unsucessfull boxers.

That's not true. [planetaislam.com/poland/report.html]

"Some reports from this time mention a number of 200.000 Muslims and as many as 160 mosques."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Poland


Why? Why would you give a crap about that if you could still have a drink and the company of some friends?


Wtf? How could you radically misinterpret that statement I made? I just pointed out that your multicultural tradition was destroyed by the likes of Hitler and Stalin. It doesn't follow that you're with them if your against it. Perhaps, but that's another debate entirely.

Who said it was.... erm..darling..?

If I understand you correctly, I would not call having a preference ignorant.


Nice

Because Bavaria once had a good deal of friendly culture and it is disgusting seeing it beeing swept away by muslim chanting. Not to mention the danger Islamists supermacist pose: dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,2768038,00.html

Show me an Irish bar run by Irish, well there are a few, but you know what I mean.
It has just become a franchise.


I have to say that the American "culture" does not have the same value on authenticity as most other nations have.

I simply predicted your next step and that wasn't difficult as your attempt to make It "good multi-culti vs evil nazis" is as obvious as your obsession with racial issues.

Supremacists of any stripe pose a danger, not just muslims. And I'm sure that this Bavarian pub you're talking about was friendly enouugh for you to have a drink there along with many other customers, so what's disgusting about that? Muslim chanting? I hope it's disgusting just for being bad, not for being muslim.


Nice try, but that's just called putting words into someone else's mouth. And my obsession with racial issues wouldn't be so great if there weren't guys like you, Grzegorz_, southern, tomek, noimmigration, etc, to bring it out of me. It's kind of fun for me though I've had a boring week-end.

I didn't have to do that. The structure of that post says everything.


We didn't bring anything out of you, you mentioned your race in 2nd or 3rd of your posts on these forums and since then hardly stop talking about race issues, you are simply obsessed with that and It's not my fault. You're just a racist.

The muslims I mean are allways chanting something when they are not talking, some even start chanting when they pass me on the street. You get the feeling as if they were cursing you - our cultures just don't fit together.

And I don't say we are better, only that we should be in care of how our land should look like.

But it shows what the important aspect of multiculturalism is for you.


Do we need to state our wishes to have them known?

This is what you wrote:


Now, what would you say if I wrote this:

If blacks want to mix racially, that is not a crime, but it sure is unfortunate as it produces more blacks and less whites who are getting treated like crap in many government offices where blacks are employed. Is that something to encourage? And let me tell you that such attitudes aren't in blacks' interests, as is proven by the continuous failures of black run governments around the world (South Africa, Liberia, Sudan and a host of others) where atrocities are a fact of daily life and the civilization is but a foreign concept.


I posted a link to sites describing the situation in Sweden. Would you like a few flicks from the news too?

Except for a precious few, there is NO integration in EU. The immigrants want us to integrate with them. Are you surprised that many object? Again, the multiculturalism in EU is a complete disaster and even main stream media are slowly beginning to be open about it.


You're complaining that Poland is ethnically almost monolithic, while I think it's great. That's what many EU countries would love to have, having experienced the elusive multicultural harmony.


Hypothetically, if there were no other ethnicities in Poland, other than Poles, then how would racism be even possible, let alone proliferate. You're not afraid Poland would eventually be in a position of world domination, are you? :)


And where did I support racism pray tell?

I'm glad Poland is mostly Polish and I hope they can maintain this for at least a few decades, before the destructive "blessings" of "multiculturalism" will make it look like another non-descript street in New Jersey, New York or Oklahoma - all looking the same. Or worse yet, like another dirt road in a muslim country.

Well its understandable that if others make my race an issue, then it becommes one for me, one I feel I must discuss. And this has been the case in Poland, where my race has been an issue, and so I raised the issue on these forums here to see hat people would have to say in reasoned debate. It's not an obsession, it's just relevant to me because of the situation here in Poland, that's just obvious. In never had to talk about this, or when I did the tables were turned - I would lecture other black people about their lazy, criminal, ghetto-fabulous lifestyles that made it hard for regular blacks like me to get a job. Or I would argue with them about how there shouldn't be affirmative action, and that we shouldn't get reparations for slavery. So they call me racist too, but against "your own people." But I'm just striking the middle ground of common sense. Intolerance is wrong no matter where you go. When it is present, it must be addressed somehow.


Yeah the aspect that makes some groups among the natives more kind and tolerant.


you posted some blog from some conservative christian, whose ravings I must take witha grain of salt. Multiculturalism isn't Eden, but it isn't Hell, I can well believe that it has become unmanageable in some parts of the world, but it has been successful in others.


No I mean proliferate within Poland. And if there were no other ethnicities in Poland other than Poles, which is almost the truth, racism is still possible, against tourists who come through, or hapless wanderers.


"all looking the same?" I could say the same thing about Warsaw. Anyways, this debate with you and a couple of others has been instructive for me, but I think my point got lost somewhere since I'm getting accused of opinions I don't hold. I think I should post a topic about it