osiol
7 Oct 2008
osiol
7 Oct 2008
News / Should rape carry a life sentence in Poland? [146]
Rape is only possible by either physical or (in the case of rape carried out by someone who knows the victim) psychological coercion or violence. Just because the result may be less physical pain than a beating, that doesn't lessen how bad it is psychologically. I can agree that it is not as serious as murder.
But it is true that rape victims are often beaten
Rape is only possible by either physical or (in the case of rape carried out by someone who knows the victim) psychological coercion or violence. Just because the result may be less physical pain than a beating, that doesn't lessen how bad it is psychologically. I can agree that it is not as serious as murder.
osiol
7 Oct 2008
Work / Working in a Polish Office [13]
Speak Polish but swear in Finnish.
I have never worked in an office, so I wouldn't know. I assume that in an office of Polish people, the manners are on a slightly higher level than working outdoors on a shrubbery.
Anyone got any tips?
Speak Polish but swear in Finnish.
I have never worked in an office, so I wouldn't know. I assume that in an office of Polish people, the manners are on a slightly higher level than working outdoors on a shrubbery.
osiol
6 Oct 2008
osiol
6 Oct 2008
Life / Poland peasant or noble tradition? [34]
It is much more complex than that. There are not two classes of people, nor are there three as it is often claimed (this is not just Britain I am talking about). However, in Britain, there are many so-called middle class values within the working classes; a middle class derived from both working and the lower echelons of the upper class; people who seem to be upper class of some sort, but whose roots lie in 19th century working class Ireland; blah blah blah. As I said: it is quite complex.
Some base these social distinctions solely on employment, some on ownership of property, some on whether or not you had a library card as a child, or if you have seperate knives and forks for fish, whether the milk goes in your teacup before or after the tea, perhaps even by where your parents were on the social scale. In some parts of the world, if your house has a proper floor rather than one made of mud, you might be considered middle class.
Quite a few of the Poles I have worked with have, if not grown up on farms themselves, have had close family members working on farms. But agriculture alone is not enough to make social distinctions between people. Some parts of Poland have lots of small farms, other parts have much larger farms, on a par in scale with many western (or northwestern) European farms. Likewise, townsfolk may also be well-off or not.
At long last, back to Poland. Wasn't communism supposed to level out all the people into those who are equal and those who are more equal than others? I'm more interested in how history has shaped Polish society (as an example of a country which has come from feudalism, into industrialisation and through communism).
And so on and so on. What was the question?
I have been on lecture about British society and there are huge differences between former states.
It is much more complex than that. There are not two classes of people, nor are there three as it is often claimed (this is not just Britain I am talking about). However, in Britain, there are many so-called middle class values within the working classes; a middle class derived from both working and the lower echelons of the upper class; people who seem to be upper class of some sort, but whose roots lie in 19th century working class Ireland; blah blah blah. As I said: it is quite complex.
Some base these social distinctions solely on employment, some on ownership of property, some on whether or not you had a library card as a child, or if you have seperate knives and forks for fish, whether the milk goes in your teacup before or after the tea, perhaps even by where your parents were on the social scale. In some parts of the world, if your house has a proper floor rather than one made of mud, you might be considered middle class.
Quite a few of the Poles I have worked with have, if not grown up on farms themselves, have had close family members working on farms. But agriculture alone is not enough to make social distinctions between people. Some parts of Poland have lots of small farms, other parts have much larger farms, on a par in scale with many western (or northwestern) European farms. Likewise, townsfolk may also be well-off or not.
At long last, back to Poland. Wasn't communism supposed to level out all the people into those who are equal and those who are more equal than others? I'm more interested in how history has shaped Polish society (as an example of a country which has come from feudalism, into industrialisation and through communism).
And so on and so on. What was the question?
osiol
6 Oct 2008
News / Should rape carry a life sentence in Poland? [146]
DEATH BY CLIFF
Summer Holiday
Living Doll
Mistletoe and Wine
Millennium Prayer
aaarrrrgghhh! I can't take any more!
DEATH BY CLIFF
Summer Holiday
Living Doll
Mistletoe and Wine
Millennium Prayer
aaarrrrgghhh! I can't take any more!
osiol
6 Oct 2008
Life / Poland peasant or noble tradition? [34]
Istanbul, not Constantinopole, revised lyrics:
Even old New York was once Little £omża
Why they changed it, I can't say
Nobles liked it better than peasantry.
I hope I'm not the only one here to know this song.
In some countries, there are political parties that use the word peasant in their names. This would not happen in an English speaking country. It does show some of the different values associated with an agriculture-based society as opposed to an urban one. As for nobility, I would not say that this would necessarily be an urban (bourgeois?) phenomenon. Again, it seems to be a hark back to the past (feudal times?) insofar as it seems equally at odds with a society based on industry and commerce.
Every country or society has ideas about low and high culture. Is peasant vs. nobility a Polish way of looking at it, or not?
It used to be little £omża
Istanbul, not Constantinopole, revised lyrics:
Even old New York was once Little £omża
Why they changed it, I can't say
Nobles liked it better than peasantry.
I hope I'm not the only one here to know this song.
In some countries, there are political parties that use the word peasant in their names. This would not happen in an English speaking country. It does show some of the different values associated with an agriculture-based society as opposed to an urban one. As for nobility, I would not say that this would necessarily be an urban (bourgeois?) phenomenon. Again, it seems to be a hark back to the past (feudal times?) insofar as it seems equally at odds with a society based on industry and commerce.
Every country or society has ideas about low and high culture. Is peasant vs. nobility a Polish way of looking at it, or not?
osiol
6 Oct 2008
Law / Got my Polish residency [22]
Thanks for giving your story and congratulations on getting your papers. Good luck to you for your future in Poland.
Thanks for giving your story and congratulations on getting your papers. Good luck to you for your future in Poland.
osiol
6 Oct 2008
Law / Got my Polish residency [22]
Do I need help?
What's the background to this story, if I may ask?
God help you all.
Do I need help?
What's the background to this story, if I may ask?
osiol
5 Oct 2008
Work / For all English teachers in Poland (who work for only $1000 a month) [102]
Aren't they still ruled by a dictator?
Look out for tall people who are too old to still be in education. (Not serious here by the way... or am I?)
Belarus
Aren't they still ruled by a dictator?
Olecko in January 2009
Look out for tall people who are too old to still be in education. (Not serious here by the way... or am I?)
osiol
5 Oct 2008
News / Adult movie producers looking for 'actresses' in Poland or just a weirdo? [120]
I'm nearly, but not quite, so...
Southern, what about Scandinavian, Russian... um... Australian porn?
Obviously, I ask for differences / similarities with Polish!
There always has to be an expert somewhere.
I'm nearly, but not quite, so...
Southern, what about Scandinavian, Russian... um... Australian porn?
Obviously, I ask for differences / similarities with Polish!
There always has to be an expert somewhere.
osiol
5 Oct 2008
Genealogy / Petrosky - my last name [6]
It could easily have been changed upon entry to the US. I believe quite a few names were altered to make things easier for the officals doing all the paperwork and stuff.
It could easily have been changed upon entry to the US. I believe quite a few names were altered to make things easier for the officals doing all the paperwork and stuff.
osiol
5 Oct 2008
Genealogy / Do I look Polish? (Part II -- Much more detail than other topic) [109]
I hate to look like a know-all.
I could add that some people do stand out as being obviously Polish, whereas others don't. A bloke turned up at my place of work in a white van and got out. I saw him Immediately I thought to myself "I bet he's Polish." and it turned out he was Polish. Then I wondered why they had emplyed yet another Polish bloke driving a van. Why not a Polish girl? Surely Polish ladies can drive white vans!
The genetic markers studied in these DNA tests - are they really exactly the same ones that define appearance? I wouldn't have thought so.
all-know
I hate to look like a know-all.
I could add that some people do stand out as being obviously Polish, whereas others don't. A bloke turned up at my place of work in a white van and got out. I saw him Immediately I thought to myself "I bet he's Polish." and it turned out he was Polish. Then I wondered why they had emplyed yet another Polish bloke driving a van. Why not a Polish girl? Surely Polish ladies can drive white vans!
Exactly. Appearence is defined by haplotype
The genetic markers studied in these DNA tests - are they really exactly the same ones that define appearance? I wouldn't have thought so.
osiol
5 Oct 2008
History / Scotland and Poland. Mutual connections since 1576 [45]
The Border Reivers were quite an unruly bunch. English, Scottish or neither as and when it suited them. About as varied in background as you can get in the British Isles - Pict, Scot, Welsh, Roman, Saxon, Viking... Is Armstrong a Reiver name? I heard that they had strong arms from all the cross-border rustling they got up to. Would they really have liked Poland?
It's interesting to see some of these Polonicised Scottish names. I assume there may very well have been more in the past. I haven't knowingly met anyone with a Polish-Scottish name though.
The Border Reivers were quite an unruly bunch. English, Scottish or neither as and when it suited them. About as varied in background as you can get in the British Isles - Pict, Scot, Welsh, Roman, Saxon, Viking... Is Armstrong a Reiver name? I heard that they had strong arms from all the cross-border rustling they got up to. Would they really have liked Poland?
It's interesting to see some of these Polonicised Scottish names. I assume there may very well have been more in the past. I haven't knowingly met anyone with a Polish-Scottish name though.
osiol
5 Oct 2008
Genealogy / Do I look Polish? (Part II -- Much more detail than other topic) [109]
Maybe. Perhaps in some pictures more than others. (How helpful is that?)
Now I've answered your question, can you answer mine?
Do I look like a donkey?
Do I look Polish?
Maybe. Perhaps in some pictures more than others. (How helpful is that?)
Now I've answered your question, can you answer mine?
Do I look like a donkey?
osiol
4 Oct 2008
UK, Ireland / All That Manners Business [I'm Polish, moved to UK as an au pair.] [87]
As in jeden dwa trzy cztery piec szesc siedem osiol...
Manners:
Please
Thankyou
Good afternoon
Fine thankyou
Yes please
Thankyou
Do you want me to kiss your arse even more?
Thankyou thankyou thankyou...
As in jeden dwa trzy cztery piec szesc siedem osiol...
Manners:
Please
Thankyou
Good afternoon
Fine thankyou
Yes please
Thankyou
Do you want me to kiss your arse even more?
Thankyou thankyou thankyou...
osiol
4 Oct 2008
UK, Ireland / All That Manners Business [I'm Polish, moved to UK as an au pair.] [87]
Isn't it more like siema? You're not going to drone about all your aches and pains in Polish either after this word, surely.
Give yourself a little time to think about that idea.
It's just another form of Cześć
Isn't it more like siema? You're not going to drone about all your aches and pains in Polish either after this word, surely.
I guess I should print your answers and throw at her face so she would see
Give yourself a little time to think about that idea.
osiol
4 Oct 2008
News / Donald Tusk - the worst PM of 3rd RP. [79]
I'm not here to comment on Polish politics (about which I know little), but I might add that it is worth asking "What have they done?" but it is also worth asking "What have they not done?" - questions to ask of any administration.
I'm not here to comment on Polish politics (about which I know little), but I might add that it is worth asking "What have they done?" but it is also worth asking "What have they not done?" - questions to ask of any administration.
osiol
4 Oct 2008
UK, Ireland / All That Manners Business [I'm Polish, moved to UK as an au pair.] [87]
If you greet someone with "Alright?" you don't expect the answer "Actually I think of got a cold coming on and my foot still hurts a bit from when I fell over on the way home from the pub the other night, and I'm pretty low on cash at the moment so I'll probably have to turn my central heating off, but that's not so bad because it does aggravate my eczema sometimes and I suppose I ought to wear that jumper that my aunt gave me for my birthday even if it's a bit itchy and it's got a really sad pattern on it. I've always found ducks to be a bit creepy, especially on knitwear. Anyway, I'm having a bit of a bad hair day as well and I really wish I hadn't got out of bed this morning...
No. You have to just say "Alright!" regardless of what's going on.
By the way, Wyspi - I would say something about your boyfriend's mother, but I'm going to hold back from saying or even thinking unpleasant, unkind thoughts.
Imagine the calmness of a willow-lined duckpond in a village green with two swans gracefully crossing through the early morning haze of a late September morning as a Robin watches over from an old Elm stump singing its merry song. Or some sh!t like that.
If you greet someone with "Alright?" you don't expect the answer "Actually I think of got a cold coming on and my foot still hurts a bit from when I fell over on the way home from the pub the other night, and I'm pretty low on cash at the moment so I'll probably have to turn my central heating off, but that's not so bad because it does aggravate my eczema sometimes and I suppose I ought to wear that jumper that my aunt gave me for my birthday even if it's a bit itchy and it's got a really sad pattern on it. I've always found ducks to be a bit creepy, especially on knitwear. Anyway, I'm having a bit of a bad hair day as well and I really wish I hadn't got out of bed this morning...
No. You have to just say "Alright!" regardless of what's going on.
By the way, Wyspi - I would say something about your boyfriend's mother, but I'm going to hold back from saying or even thinking unpleasant, unkind thoughts.
Imagine the calmness of a willow-lined duckpond in a village green with two swans gracefully crossing through the early morning haze of a late September morning as a Robin watches over from an old Elm stump singing its merry song. Or some sh!t like that.
osiol
4 Oct 2008
UK, Ireland / SHOCK NEWS - Polish man moves to Poland [9]
Believe it or not, there aren't many Polish women around here. I haven't met any in the last two or three years other than in the Polish delicatessen in a town about 5 miles away. I'm not interested in nationality. Sorry to take the subject a little too seriously.
Extra:
Okay, so I did meet quite a few Polish women in Poiland, but that's another story.
I'd quite like a holiday in Poland. I'm going to be even shorter of money for the foreseeable future though, so the chances are pretty slim. There are a few people I would have to visit if I do get myself over there.
Believe it or not, there aren't many Polish women around here. I haven't met any in the last two or three years other than in the Polish delicatessen in a town about 5 miles away. I'm not interested in nationality. Sorry to take the subject a little too seriously.
Extra:
Okay, so I did meet quite a few Polish women in Poiland, but that's another story.
I'd quite like a holiday in Poland. I'm going to be even shorter of money for the foreseeable future though, so the chances are pretty slim. There are a few people I would have to visit if I do get myself over there.
osiol
4 Oct 2008
Love / Need advice re: Polish man. What can I do to make him interested? [50]
I thought Bartolome Jones was a Welshman through and through.
Evil donkey says take up smoking. Smoking is cool.
I thought Bartolome Jones was a Welshman through and through.
I can't bear smoking but there's something
Evil donkey says take up smoking. Smoking is cool.
osiol
4 Oct 2008
UK, Ireland / SHOCK NEWS - Polish man moves to Poland [9]
No-one gives a sh!t if there's good news. Imagine how long this thread would be by now if I had typed a load of negative stuff. It could have been about someone moving to the UK rather than away.
No-one gives a sh!t if there's good news. Imagine how long this thread would be by now if I had typed a load of negative stuff. It could have been about someone moving to the UK rather than away.
osiol
3 Oct 2008
UK, Ireland / SHOCK NEWS - Polish man moves to Poland [9]
One of the recurring characters in the world of Osioł is the man who has been renting a room off the donkey for the last year or so. (He's had to endure quite a lot of wanton vandalism, all done in the name of home improvement. Actually, he even participated in some of this destruction).
"Can you give me a hand ripping up the kitchen floor?"
"Of course I can - I am Polish."
Anyway, he decided that finishing his education was something he needs to do, so he decided after a year and a half of working in the United Kingdom, that he should go back to school. He seems sorry to be leaving. He staggered in, quite drunkenly about an hour ago after an emotional night out. He said that he doesn't want to go now because he likes it too much here.
"What the hell is that supposed to mean?" you may ask. "Surely the Poles in England (or the UK generally) are unwanted, even hated." Perhaps this man just goes against the grain of this so-called overwhelming opinion that some idiots post on this forum. Life for Poles here isn't always easy, but sometimes the media, the bigots, the xenophobes, the scaremongerers and the just plain concerned, have got it wrong.
Mr. C. as I shall call him, proved popular with everyone at work, with mates of mine who he met, with many of the random people he met on nights out with other work colleagues, and even with one or two PF members I introduced to him via the wonders of msn. He even (allegedly) had all the drinks he tried to buy this evening paid for on the house. B@stard! And a girl who reacted to him telling her that he's Polish by hugging and kissing him. Double b@stard! (Or good liar)!
I'm happy that he's going though! Maybe he will be able to take some of his experiences of living and working here back to Poland - take some fresh ideas with him, some happy memories, the ability to speak English. I'm happy because I need my entire flat back to myself and a bit of freedom from the dangerous sounds of Disco Polo. It will also be one less person at work who is more popular than myself! I will miss the rent money coming in, and I will miss having a good mate around. He reckons he'll be back in 6 months though.
Good luck back in Poland, Mr. C.
One of the recurring characters in the world of Osioł is the man who has been renting a room off the donkey for the last year or so. (He's had to endure quite a lot of wanton vandalism, all done in the name of home improvement. Actually, he even participated in some of this destruction).
"Can you give me a hand ripping up the kitchen floor?"
"Of course I can - I am Polish."
Anyway, he decided that finishing his education was something he needs to do, so he decided after a year and a half of working in the United Kingdom, that he should go back to school. He seems sorry to be leaving. He staggered in, quite drunkenly about an hour ago after an emotional night out. He said that he doesn't want to go now because he likes it too much here.
"What the hell is that supposed to mean?" you may ask. "Surely the Poles in England (or the UK generally) are unwanted, even hated." Perhaps this man just goes against the grain of this so-called overwhelming opinion that some idiots post on this forum. Life for Poles here isn't always easy, but sometimes the media, the bigots, the xenophobes, the scaremongerers and the just plain concerned, have got it wrong.
Mr. C. as I shall call him, proved popular with everyone at work, with mates of mine who he met, with many of the random people he met on nights out with other work colleagues, and even with one or two PF members I introduced to him via the wonders of msn. He even (allegedly) had all the drinks he tried to buy this evening paid for on the house. B@stard! And a girl who reacted to him telling her that he's Polish by hugging and kissing him. Double b@stard! (Or good liar)!
I'm happy that he's going though! Maybe he will be able to take some of his experiences of living and working here back to Poland - take some fresh ideas with him, some happy memories, the ability to speak English. I'm happy because I need my entire flat back to myself and a bit of freedom from the dangerous sounds of Disco Polo. It will also be one less person at work who is more popular than myself! I will miss the rent money coming in, and I will miss having a good mate around. He reckons he'll be back in 6 months though.
Good luck back in Poland, Mr. C.
osiol
3 Oct 2008
News / Should rape carry a life sentence in Poland? [146]
If it's not the missionary position, between the sheets with the lights out, it is obviously perverted and wrong.
If it's not the missionary position, between the sheets with the lights out, it is obviously perverted and wrong.
osiol
3 Oct 2008
News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]
We'll be taken to RC before long, so I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure that RC has a big future.
I have a very good job in a very nice part of the English countryside, but it does involve manual labour as well as a large brain.
Get out of my thread if you have noting to say.
We'll be taken to RC before long, so I wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure that RC has a big future.
check out www crap jobs or crap towns in UK
I have a very good job in a very nice part of the English countryside, but it does involve manual labour as well as a large brain.
osiol
3 Oct 2008
News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]
I don't think Sheepie insulted me, but I might have insulted myself.
I felt u guys start insulting its other but maybe I am wrong
I don't think Sheepie insulted me, but I might have insulted myself.
osiol
3 Oct 2008
News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]
Good advice. Someone should tell them to stop being like me too.
don't be like them
Good advice. Someone should tell them to stop being like me too.
osiol
3 Oct 2008
News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]
Of course. I'm not learning Polish for highbrow purposes. There is a side of me that is a manual labourer who works with other manual labourers, some of whom are Polish.
I know, but I'm just a more coarse individual.
is this a level of your high advanced polishness?
Of course. I'm not learning Polish for highbrow purposes. There is a side of me that is a manual labourer who works with other manual labourers, some of whom are Polish.
Yeah, insulting folk isn't my gig
I know, but I'm just a more coarse individual.
osiol
3 Oct 2008
News / Should rape carry a life sentence in Poland? [146]
True, but how wrong? Poland isn't mentioned in the comments, and the UK is only mentioned there for the possibility of the crime rate being higher in Scotland than in England and Wales. It may be inaccurate, but it is still food for thought.
Sentence.
There may be a difference. Germans, even German anarchists, wait for the green light before they walk across the road. In Britain, we just wander across when we think it's okay. The British, and certainly some others, are more inclined to do things because we, as individuals, believe it to be the right thing to do. That doesn't mean it is not always the same thing as obeying the law.
table you have presented is wrong and people are pointing it out under this article
True, but how wrong? Poland isn't mentioned in the comments, and the UK is only mentioned there for the possibility of the crime rate being higher in Scotland than in England and Wales. It may be inaccurate, but it is still food for thought.
centences
Sentence.
I think that Canadians are law abiding.
There may be a difference. Germans, even German anarchists, wait for the green light before they walk across the road. In Britain, we just wander across when we think it's okay. The British, and certainly some others, are more inclined to do things because we, as individuals, believe it to be the right thing to do. That doesn't mean it is not always the same thing as obeying the law.
osiol
3 Oct 2008
News / What is the future of Catholic church in Poland. [154]
I was responding with the generic form. You said that I chat, so I merely stated that to chat, blah blah blah. "Co ty p********z, obszczymurku" is the kind of thing I've gotten used to recently, so I thought you were quite polite.
gadaSZ, not gadać
I was responding with the generic form. You said that I chat, so I merely stated that to chat, blah blah blah. "Co ty p********z, obszczymurku" is the kind of thing I've gotten used to recently, so I thought you were quite polite.