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Poland will take half a century to catch up with the West [240]
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You called "rubbish" 2008 figures provided by me but you still haven't proved me wrong.
Look at 2007. We paid 2.7 billion euros to the EU budget but we received 7.8 billion from it: 3 billion for agriculture and 4.2 billion of structural funds.
So in fact we paid 2.7 billion and received 4.2 billion... looks like you don't understand what the CAP is. All these huge EU subsidies for agriculture sector exist to protect European farmers from cheaper competition from outside of EU. Poland outside of EU wouldn't really need that as costs here are lower and medium tariffs would be enough to protect domestic producers. But now we are in EU and what happens ? Our farmers are subsidised by EU but much less then those from EU15, so obviously that make them less competitive than they would be If there was a real free market of agriculture goods inside of EU without any subsidies and limits of production, which they imposed on us. So saying that we should be happy that they "give us billions for agriculture" is a total nonsense, we would be much better without that stupid system. EU legalized unfair competion (something Polish governments were doing with shipyards and you know what happened) against the farmers from the new member states.
Nonsense. In Poland ~14% of working population are classified as farmers (often just to have KRUS insurence) and in EU15 countries agriculture is usually making 2-3% of GNP. Besides what's the difference If 200 cows or 120 hectares of land is owned by 1 person or 10 ??
Christ, what are you talking about ? I've never said that each Polish farmer should get the same money as average farmer in old EU, I'm saying that for the same quantity of goods they should get the same subsidies (and now of course they don't) or else that's unfair competition harming our economy, not any "goodies from EU".
OK enough of the CAP, let's go to the "structural funds".
From the same source you quoted:
Do Polski trafiło w ramach różnych polityk 7,8 mld euro, (w tym 4,2 mld w ramach funduszy strukturalnych oraz 3,1 mld na wsparcie rolnictwa)
W 2007 roku, po zapłaceniu składek do Polski "na czysto" trafiło 5,135 mld euro
Dla porównania w 2006 roku pozycja netto Polski wyniosła 2,997 mld euro, a w 2005 i 2004 poniżej 2 mld euro.
So you see that without the CAP in 2004-2007 we "got" netto only 1-1.5 billion EUR . And in 2008 we lost netto at least a few hundred million. Really impressive result of 5 years in the "fantastic" EU. 2007 results (which "somehow" you only quoted) looked quite good because then was finalized most importent projects from 2004-2006 "programming period".
In the years 2007-2013 Poland is entitled to receive 67 billion euros from European budget.
"Entitled"... with so huge burocracy and some projects being reject by Eurocrats without any serious reasons, even old EU member states with many years of experience with this whole crap are in fact using far less than 100% of funds they are "entitled to", so in case of Poland 75-80% will be a very optimistic scenerio, so that's more like 50 billion and in the same time we will pay into the common budget 25-30 billion, so we have netto +20-25 billion, so 3-3.5 billion a year, so less than 100 EUR a year per capita (and less than I am spending on chewing gums) and that's a really optimistic scenerio. Fantastic, isn't It ?
But that's not the end. We need additional a few thousand burocrats to handel these things and that cost a lot. A few % of these funds are spend on "training and promotion", so "European funds" are spend on teaching people how to use "European funds"... or on advertisments telling people how cool "European funds" are. Some of them, especially from "European Social Funds" are spent on completely ineffective and useless things, which creates some kind of "alternative economy". Add to that co2 limitis and other "goodies" and economically EU membership will be for us at best neutral.
