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No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia!


PoleAmerican 2 | 12  
1 Jan 2009 /  #1
Poland is totally in the right! Poland has every right to put whatever she wants on her land. Poland is right to support Georgia. Georgia is a victim of Russian aggression. Georgia has a right to keep her country intact and Russia violated that.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
2 Jan 2009 /  #2
Poland is totally in the right! Poland has every right to put whatever she wants on her land. Poland is right to support Georgia

Everybody has a right to be stupid. What is really important here - not to abuse that privilege.
Prince 15 | 590  
2 Jan 2009 /  #3
Look on Russian. He is typical.

It is not problem that they are semi-slavic and we should cooperate with them. The problem is that they have learned to rob other neighbours. Now when oil prices go down ... maybe another lesson like in 90's will teach them something.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
2 Jan 2009 /  #4
Poland is NOT totally in the right at all. I have found many people to have miscalculated events in the Caucasus. Russia was not reclaiming territory or seizing any, just putting things right.
Prince 15 | 590  
2 Jan 2009 /  #5
Everybody knows that NATO doesn't want to invaid Russia. Russian paranoia is Russian problem.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
2 Jan 2009 /  #6
All this grandiose talk, so delusional. NATO is about checks and balances. Ukraine and Georgia are strategic assets for Russia. Putin often mentions that Stalin was Georgian by birth. Ukraine is undoubtedly Eastern European so Russia wants to retain a foothold there.

I don't think Russians really fear any invasion. More of a mild incursion into territory that they see as being essentially Russian in nature (Ukraine and Georgia)
Prince 15 | 590  
2 Jan 2009 /  #7
Ukrianians are not Russians. Georgians are not Russians.

Each country has the right for own choices.

Russians want assets :) ... well ... nothing new
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
2 Jan 2009 /  #8
Oh, I agree fully Prince. However, that doesn't mean that the Russians agree with me. They are the proverbial puppets, Ukraine and Georgia. Self determination should remain with them but Russia is hanging on for dear life.

Still, Timoshenko is quite pally with Russia so there is no imminent crisis. Ukraine has enough gas to see them through to April.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
2 Jan 2009 /  #9
Russians are those who speaks Russian, thus pretty piece of Ukraine is Russian.

Of course georgians and ukrainians do have a right to choose their way, but sure we (russians) do have the right to punish them if they will make wrong choice! The same is with Poland.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
2 Jan 2009 /  #10
Russians are those who speak Russian, that's drivel. Kasparov speaks Russian and he is Azerbaijani. A Latvian speaks Russian (as well as Latvian), are they Russian? The same goes for other Baltic states. Even older people in Poland speak Russian, I'd never call them Russian tho.
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
2 Jan 2009 /  #11
drivel? Don't think so! Today we are buying bankrupted Ukraine, but tomorrow who knows, may be we will acquire baltic states as well
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
2 Jan 2009 /  #12
You are not buying anybody. They can survive for some time longer, until Yuschenko disappears and a puppet regime is installed by Timoshenko. The Baltic States are part of the EU, you cannot just envelop them willy-nilly.

The moment you go for the Baltic states is the moment that a major conflict would flare up. Putin is too clever for that.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
2 Jan 2009 /  #13
may be we will acquire baltic states as well

You will not.

The moment you go for the Baltic states is the moment that a major conflict would flare up. Putin is too clever for that.

It would not be a good strategy, agreed.
Prince 15 | 590  
2 Jan 2009 /  #14
Well Russians want to form EU2 but they do it in very very Russian way...

Finaly if Nord Stream is going to be true... we will be forced to make aliance with Russia against the west
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
2 Jan 2009 /  #15
Who says that we cannot? Who will defend these "states"? You Seanus? I doubt!

No, certainly we don't have this stupid idea of creating new EU. We just want to take back our territories. If you like those Ests or Latvians and etc, you can take them off all. We need the baltic coasts. That is all.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
2 Jan 2009 /  #16
Alliances are not the problem. Against the West, what do you mean?
Prince 15 | 590  
2 Jan 2009 /  #17
I mean that ... Nord Sream means that Russians have Poland in their hands ... So aliance is going to be made in some way... Europe has Poland deep in her a ss. Nord Stream is the best prove. American domination is the best for Poland but ... America is weaker... Germans play in different team.

1) Aliance with America and close EU-American ties are the best for Poland or Czech republic

2) If Europe is going to build Nord Stream ... Russia is going to be second choice. Russia is anti western ... so Poland will be in such aliance.

Lets hope we are going to get more gas from Norway and green industry but now it seems that we don't have support in so called EU.

Poland is not idealogicaly against the west but it seems that "european west" doesn't treat Poland as part of family ...
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
2 Jan 2009 /  #18
Aha, in that way. Russia is not anti-Western per se. It is against over ambitious plans of the West to spread its wings into their domain.

Norway seems to play on a more level playing field. Thank goodness!
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
2 Jan 2009 /  #19
Exactly! Poles are idiots thinking that we want to include them in our state. These stupid thoughts are pushing them to interfer in russians affairs. As a result, it will bring them to open conflict with Russia. The result is obvious.
Borrka 37 | 594  
2 Jan 2009 /  #20
The result is obvious.

Agreed.
Total bankruptcy of the oil driven Russia is a fact already.
The next steep is splitting Russia into 3...4 parts.
It will take about 5 years only so we'll be able to discuss it on the forum.

I hope everybody understand that medium sized nation like Russians, surrounded by enemies only is not in position to control the huge territory on its own.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
2 Jan 2009 /  #21
The result is obvious.

Victory. More of European culture spread in Asia.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,164  
2 Jan 2009 /  #22
Nord Sream means that Russians have Poland in their hands

If Europe is going to build Nord Stream ... Russia is going to be second choice. Russia is anti western ... so Poland will be in such aliance.

Erm....is it only me or is that a kind of crazy outlook???

You hate and fear the new pipeline because of possible blackmail by the Russians, but once it's build you want to be chums with Russia???
Prince 15 | 590  
2 Jan 2009 /  #23
Exactly! Poles are idiots thinking that we want to include them in our state. These stupid thoughts are pushing them to interfer in russians affairs. As a result, it will bring them to open conflict with Russia. The result is obvious.

No but when you will supply Germany and France by gas pipe line which is several times more expenisve and dangerous (there are some other than economical reasons to avoid Poland and baltic states) ... we are going to be in Russian team... Poland will be independent ect but ... we are going to play on Russian side.

You hate and fear the new pipeline, but once it's build you want to be chums with Russia???

Read above statements. In my opinion we can clearly say stah Germans calculete this pipe line as good toll to control political situation in europe but all countries on east from Germany are going to play in Russian team. Some countries strongly oppose this project but ... Germans don't ... and Germans will pay for their decisions.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
2 Jan 2009 /  #24
We could solve the problem of energetic resources supplies years ago. It's only our fault that we haven't done that... and It was only a matter of time, when both -ids will create something like this. What's more, we still do nothing...
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,164  
2 Jan 2009 /  #25
In my opinion we can clearly say stah Germans calculete this pipe line as good toll to control political situation in europe but all countries on east from Germany are going to play in Russian team. Some countries strongly oppose this project but ... Germans don't ... and Germans will pay for their decisions.

Your germanophobia knows no bounds, doesn't it Luki? :)

How can you blame the Germans as it would be your future chums, the Russians, blocking the delivery of gas and oil, using it for blackmail, not Germany...
ConstantineK 26 | 1,259  
2 Jan 2009 /  #26
You think Borrka? Which parts do you mean? Don't say me about China, please try to invent somethig new! Or may be you mean that Poland is able to bite something from Russia? We are in different leagues Borrka. You can bark only by the orders from Washington, but remember georgian expirience! Nobody will defend you in case of real fight.
Prince 15 | 590  
2 Jan 2009 /  #27
This pipe line is 4 times more expenisve than normal pipe line. This pipe line is dangerous for enviroment. This is politicial pipe line.

Germans as it would be your future chums, the russians, blocking the delivery of gas and oil, using it for blackmail, not Germany..

You give them tool and you know that.. That is why you are going to pay for that. Poland dependent on Russian supplies and avoided by new gas pipie lines will be in Russian team.
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,164  
2 Jan 2009 /  #28
This pipe line is 4 times more expenisve than normal pipe line. This pipe line is dangerous for enviroment. This is politicial pipe line.

But once it's build screw that and you go Russia-hugging...he :):):)

You give them tool and you know that.. That is why you are going to pay for that.

How?
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 13,164  
2 Jan 2009 /  #30
Poland dependent on Russian supplies and avoided by new gas pipie lines will be in Russian team.

Well...I have news for you Luki, Poland IS already dependent on Russian supplies!
It is already for many years now...didn't hinder Poles to spit at Russians at every turn...

Actually would you be more accomodating to Russia AND Germany NOW, the nordstream pipeline might never have been become a topic!

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