Why has Poland been attacked so often by its neighbors?

not the sh.t we got from you or the god damn commie fvcks.

Incomplete list of Polish wars: forum.poland.com/index.php?showtopic=1290



Then your logic stinks...

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In future could you just give us a small quote from the article you're linking to ;)

Hitler wasn't the start.. Germans have hated Poles for a long time.

Fredick sure as hell did..

(From the wikipedia on Fredrick the Great)

However, Frederick looked upon many of his new citizens with scorn. He had nothing but contempt for the szlachta, the numerous Polish nobility, and wrote that Poland had "the worst government in Europe with the exception of Turkey".[17] He considered West Prussia as uncivilized as Colonial Canada[19] and compared the Poles to the Iroquois.[17]

Of course, Fredrick was also a raving homo, which the article also points out.

Hey, you are diminishing the Polish contribution in Russia`s history. :)
After all, it was Poles who successfully invaded Russia and occupied Moscow for a year or so. Nobody repeated that stunt afterwards. Germans never got to Moscow, while the French did enter it but had to leave immediately.

The Times of Trouble is a term that Russians invented to describe a period of civil wars and the Polish intervention in the beginning of 17th century. The story was made into a film by Russians: 1612. There are a few nice scenes with Polish winged riders. When a Russian child saw them, she cried out: Mommy, look, angels!

But they weren't angels.

1612
youtube.com/watch?v=1VKkc1CVSAc

Hmmm....:)

Many Poles seem to have an inate ability to wind people up. Perhaps that has something to do with it

Yes plk123....Pommern has been German for over 800 years and, recently, only 63 years under Polish administration. And before you attempt to rip that apart with some reposting of something from wikipedia, which contains mostly drivel, bear in mind that the Goths, a germanic tribe, was in that area around 2,000 years ago until the Slavic tribe, the pomerani, hence the name today, pushed them out slowly during the 5th and 6the centuries. About 600 years later, the pushee's pushed back.

That being the case, borders tend to be fluid over the centuries and most likely will be again in the future.

did someone say something about whine or wine? goes good with cheese.

Because it was inconvenient for its non-neighbors to attack.

In my view, Poland was attacked because its neighbours were jealous and fearful of what it could have become. Poland/Lit allowed the existence of Prussia and Russia in an age when political/military/social weakness was crushed.

The fact that Poland's geography was conducive to invasion is only peripheral to the real core issues. Its concepts on government liberty and democracy were exercised in the wrong era, and it paid the price, however unjustly.

You mean:

Poland = To good for this world!

:)

Some say Poland is paradise/heaven on earth, I see only Hel in Poland ;)

Freedom always brings out the best in people.

Poland is prime property. Everyone wanted some. Even the Swedish tried :)

I would say that Poland was just unfortunate to be in the middle of aggressive neighbors, but then look at Switzerland, it's been around for a while, in the middle of all the tyrannical empires that have come and gone...somehow they managed pretty well, and were left alone for the most part.

You like this view, don't you?
Be glad Poland wasn't the neighbour of England or France...

There is a story about the deposed leader of an African country, talking to the leader of another African country. The one who was still in power said to the other "I told you not to build any roads." It was the roads he'd had built that were his downfall - they made it easier to someone else's army to come in and take over.

Look at a map of Europe and Poland's situation will make sense. Bounded on the north by sea and on the south by mountains forming natural boundaries more easily defended. To the east and west there is very little. Rivers aren't too much of a defensive boudary. Notice how it is the eastern and western neighbours who have posed the most problems for Poland throughout history.

Then, of course, there is the whole international scene. Sweden's fighting with Russia in the early 18th century didn't help. Other than meddling in Poland's internal politics and generally not making friends in the Baltic area, Sweden managed to lose all of it's territories around the southern side of the Baltic, including Livonia which was lost to Russia. A westward-looking Russia doesn't bode well for Poland.

Poland shouldn't have any problem then

big difference in terrain. poland is much more conducive to being conquered just in that aspect. it just makes a hell lot easier to do.


how so? just because you don't like what i said doesn't mean it's not valid.


that's BS and you know it. kashubs weren't/aren't germanic, EVER. just because the tutons and the pruss exerted their will over the area for a little while doesn't mean that the region was theirs. i am not sure which 600 years you think pomeraniia was ruled by the krauts but you maybe off by 200-300+/- years.

the kashubs consider themeselves polish and their blood line is more slavic then sour.


i don't think the Swedes were in PL for property, neither were the Tartars.


lol but they are building some nice highways now.

"You get what you deserve!" was a clear statement...what's good for the goose is good for the gander right?


Tusk is a kashub, isn't he? His grandpops was german enough for the Wehrmacht...
Oh and the Sorbs feel quite German too...I never heard they fled to Poland to their slavic brethren...


And now exchange "tutons" and "pruss" with "slavs" and we are on the way...

Poles often bragg that Berlin was founded by slavs but somehow that seems okay and nothing bad with "Drang nach Westen"...since 2 millenia the slavs pushed west, but beware the Germans push back..now that is just baaaaaaaad, right???

THERE WERE PLENTY TRAITORS ALL AROUND.


hey, you attack nations willy nilly then get pounded by everyone else, yeah, you got it. that's what happens. it's coming US' way next.

his grandfather was Kashubian (slavic) Germans taken him by force to wermaht and he deserted after 2 weeks.


It was always Polish land google lusatian culture. You German skinhead ;)

Crap...no non-german was eligible for the Wehrmacht.
(And of course, after the defeat all where victims, right?)


Always polish? From when on? You polish dumbhead???

he was German citizen, his desertion just after 2 weeks, and joining alies army is the best prove of his Polish/Kashubian ethic group.


Lusatnian Culture is Polish culture. Anyway you are the best example why Poles have been so often invaded by Germans.

(I am not Polish)

Cut the crap!

Lot's of ex-Poles served in the Wehrmacht and we were not talking about the Sorbs but your statement "this land was always polish".

If you would had read books you would know that the Slavs invaded germanic land and pushed always further west.

Wasn't that Germans who joined Huns in their invasion of Rome empire ?

annyway Lusatian culture is Polish so this land was always Polish.

temporarily it was land of my family ...

Long life for Poland !

So you are a Sorb or what?

I am Israeli citizen.

And what makes you the expert?

Yes, the Swiss were able to defend and then keep their independence. Probably the mountains helped a lot as a natural barrier to aggressors, but beside mountains the Swiss were also indomitable warriors. Though Polish gentry was obliged to answer the king`s call and go to war in times of trouble, they prefered a quiet life in the countryside. That is why, in 18 century, the most militirised country in Europe (10% of the Polish population was gentry - the descendants of medieval knights) was unable to defend itself and fell prey to its more determined neighbours.

What a paradox, really.


Yes, it was impressive. But before it there had been millions of victims and a ruined country. If the Polish elites had been wiser, more patriotic and less corrupted in the past, Poland would come out much better.


You can`t hear or understand whining because it is in Polish. But it takes place quite frequently. It is true, though, that mostly mature people like discussing Polish past misfortunes, occupations, betrayals by "friends," ingratitude of allies etc etc. Younger generations don`t care.

Yet, Polish schools still infuse this kind of rememberance patriotism into students. We were talking about scythes as the main weapon of Polish insurgents. Look at the school play about Kosciuszko Insurection

Poles unwilling to fight for their independence ,it is something new :))))))))