Why has Poland been attacked so often by its neighbors?

Excuse me, it didn't need a Gehlen to create tensions between the US and the Soviets.
And if the US and the Soviets had been good chums no Gehlen could have driven a wedge between them.
It was the fight about the spheres of influences in Europe and the US used "their Germans" as the Soviets used "their Germans" also.

(All this tensions benefitted the Germans of course...unthinkable what would had become of Germany if the US and the Soviets had stayed good chums...but that is another story!)

PS: What makes Gehlen a Nazi in your book? He was intelligence on the Eastern Front for the Wehrmacht! (The reason for his importance for the US)

Later he became chef of the Bundesnachrichtendienst...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Gehlen


...things and people are not always only black or white, right?

Etc. It's how the official files read? I'm sorry if my reasoning disappoints you, but when you're a General under Hitler you can't be 100% clean?


That's right, although there are many sources which could be biased in one way or another, especially Wikipedia, and so that's why I rather quote from the official CIA documents.

But where do you draw the line? I agree, that's really a matter of personal opinion.

There are barely any "clean" people....and who get's to decide!

this post should be example to many.Arien for a Nobel Prize!

No thank you. I'm just speaking my mind and really I don't need a hug..

hey I didn't offered you a hug!
you're a Dutch,right?beware of chessboards;)

even though Arien is a male, it's hilarious how having a female avatar makes people super nice to you...

Ah, believe me, nobody have been cared about Jews fate, Polish peasants took this as unexpected and miraculous escape. Moreove they arranged some sort of slaughter of pitiful remains of Jews who ventured to return in Poland after WWII. Let's not generalize all citizens of Polish state. It was in most part Jewish victims, not Polish in their origin.

Escape from Poland to Siberia?

Dont ddistort my words, I meant only WWII. Jews were constantly and fiercely hated by Polish peasants..., well and by priveleged classes too.

I'm not sure what you're saying exactly but, nobody cares about the jews fate? If that's what you mean then you're dead wrong. Maybe here in Poland they don't care (I don't know if that's true) but I was raised in Switzerland, and when they taught us about the Holocaust, it was all about the Jews' massacre, I never even knew that Poland was attacked. I was also raised in New York, and same there, on tv, on the news, or in school, only the Jews suffered during the holocaust. Now I know it's not true, the Poles might have suffered even worse.

I have said exactly what I have said. Just may be my Runlish is not good. Who knows? Poles hated Jews with the same fierceness as Germans and may be even more. Let's stay apart Poles and Jews in that war.


Heh, Jewish conspiracy!

'Why has Poland been attacked so often by its neighbors?'

Well you know what they say, there is no smoke without fire :)

kind of, Jewish culture is very self-centered, so in a place like the United States where they have gone very far (all credit to them for that,) they get to spread their jew-centric vision of life to the entire nation.

Why do you say the Poles hated the jews as much as the germans?

I see here a racism towards polish peasants.Why were russian peasants better?

Rommel was not bad. He defied orders to kill Jews he captured in N. Africa.

what is this? Are you Gipsy or something? Catholic Gipsy? and, so you think that you as Catholic Gipsy are closer to the Catholic Poles then other Slavs, who aren`t Catholics?

You maybe suggest that Orthodox and Catholic Serbs of Balkan doesn`t deserve chance to chose to be one (Serbian) nation? Or maybe, you suggest that Catholic Gypsies are closer to the Catholic Poles then Orthodox or Protestant or even atheist Poles? You maybe suggest that Polish nation should be split over same lines as it was case with Serbian nation? Then, what about Ukrainian nation? Czechs?

If that`s what you think, i must tell you that you are absolutely deluded. Go ask Poles what they think


it is

it was serious mistake by England (not only of England) to move against Serbians, to support and even inspire propaganda and open war against us

It was easy to win Cold War against Russia (or to say Soviet Union). Russians paying for tragic mistakes of their selfish elite. Serbs are something else. We make the difference, we move things. Our complete history is dedicated to liberation of Slavdom. Every our victory was victory of Slavic kind, every our failure was great loss for all true Slavs. Propaganda against Serbians would turn against those who lounched that propaganda.

Only Slavija!

I'm not familiar with that history, what are you referring to exactly?

Reminds me of the American soldier in Vietnam who said about a local village 'we may have to destroy the village to save it'.

I meant those people who had mixed heritage or were Kashub and Silesian. Many were put on the list against their will, many joined voluntarily to avoid repressions.They felt Polish, but were drafted in Wehrmacht anyway.

Now, imagine, if your best soccer player, Podolski (born in Poland), was forcefully drafted into the Polish army although he is German now, wouldn`t it be the same as what Germans did with Poles during WW2? :) :) :)


There weren`t too many Polish politicians ready to take up such positions. Poland didn`t have its Petain or Quisling and it is a reason to be proud.


Yes, it might be the case.

The german attitude to the eastern countries/peoples were totally different to the western countries.
You can't possible know if Poles hadn't acted the same if they were given the choice!

Once again the loony tune is off his meds,what he constantly sticks his lip out is(and btw,he is a serb nationalist) the fact that after the serbs had slaughtered men women and children on a scale unseen outside of rwanda that nato stood up and said enough .


probably that your a lunatic...

and, what should they think of you? you suggest that you are normal?

Brit and normal? Hm

lets break this down;
who has an avatar picture of a funny little cat and who has an avatar that looks like a cross between a white power badge,communist realism statues and some neo nazis lapel button?

Who breaks into every thread and talks about "glorious serbs and death to false west..." no matter how far from the thread topic serbia and serbian chauvanisim might be?

Who seems convinced that there is an entire world conspiricy against a country most people couldnt point to on a map and ,untill said countrys "glorious serb fighters" began to slaughter unarmed men and boys on an industrial scale,set up europes latest concetration camps,and turned the crime of rape into a production line of ethnic cleansing,most people had never even heard of?

Oh yeah,that l be you crow,I rest my case m'lud.


yep,a prime example of your undoubted intelekt(sic),sweeping generalisations of countries based on what? the fact that we dropped a few bombs on your army to stop your countrymen slaughtering more unarmed civilians.....if thats not normall in your eyes,sheesh.

He should just stop his conspiracy theories...the whole world is NOT out to get poor Serbia!

Who'd want it??

This is one example of many. Is everything simply based on ethnicity or what?
I don't assume every Serb to be like Crow.

Because we already havent this class, as I previousely said, about 90% of Russian citizens live in towns.


Because Polish peasants were always ignorant and illiterate, so Jews very often cheated them mercilessly during all period from the begining when Jews were granted a refuge after slaughter in Western Europe in period before Crussades.

Tipe "Walter the Penniless" in wikipedia, and you'll know someting new about this issue.

I liked Alexius attitude towards the Waleter' army.He passed them to the other side of Bosporus unaccompanied by byzantine troops as if it were possible the miracle they believed in that they would win the Turks without arms.

Typical greek attitude.I guess the West has never forgiven that.

I'm sorry for Russia, I hope Poland can develop into something other than modern agriculture. I can allways count on getting some freshly made kielbasa, fresh butter and vegetables when I visit my folks in Poland. It really makes a difference weather it is made in small scale or industially produced in large quantities. And I do not mind getting my ass up and helping my folks in the field when harvesting time arrives.