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What would Europe look like with Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Commonwealth today


Sokrates 8 | 3335  
21 Sep 2009 /  #121
you don't have that same amount of dynamism you once had.

And that must be why we have a higher GDP than USA, because we lack dynamism!

You could get it back if you could fashion a Wehrmacht like outfit for the EU

So tell me how is Wehrmacht different from the German or French armies of today?

This would take a lot of cohesion and money

Why? The collective European armies are already equal to US army and unlike US UE doesnt spend a significant amount of its GDP on armaments:)

Besides the British will probably lean more towards the US.

Even without the British Europe has more money and manpower than US, there's Germany, France, Spain and Italy, there's the Low Countries, Portugal, central and eastern Europe.

ike a lot things with the European, they see the soldier job as lowly and embarrasing.

You're an uneducated idiot (which you have proven by continous stream of bull and ignoring answers that humilitated you and revealed total ignorance) in most European armies army is seen as prestigous work, its well paid comes with high public trust and recognition.

It's tough to defeat an army that isn't really an army like the Viet Cong.

If you werent an uneducatec moron you would know that Vietnam had a regular army with weapons, uniforms etc, and you were losing against them as well :)))

These were not warriors.

Who are you to say that you ignorant little retard? They rarely gave up, fought to the last and showed nearly inhuman courage and endurance, you can read it in your own veterans diaries, the problem with you as with most of your subhuman breed is that you people dont read, learning is beneath you but apparently spouting bull is not.

Young guys in US / UK / Canada / Aus. don't see it that way.

Canada? Australia? Those are some of the least militant states check their numbers and military spending hillbilly boy.

As for UK, its the only country in Europe that has a serious issue with soldiers obesity, the only other army that has one to such degree is US army, apparently americans are warriors, keyboard warriors like you :)))
scrappleton - | 829  
21 Sep 2009 /  #122
ignorant little retard

uneducated idiot

uneducatec moron

.. actually you misspelled 'uneducated' here. Look up the word 'irony'.

hillbilly boy.

your subhuman breed

.. haha.

Hmmm ... such hate within you. And you judge the Nazis?

Tsk.. Tsk. Very sad.

Like I said you think the US is a bunch of fat chumps.. put your money where your mouth is and throw a punch at us. Like you said you have more money, more and better troops... you are supermen. We wronged you by not building a missile base for you (which is strange because it would seem by your very long rant here that you could do it for yourself??) .. Go ahead and throw a punch at us. Yes, yes.. you know all about Vietnam. Surely you the Polish by yourself could kill us with a glance.

You know one thing, baby? Vietnam was not our home.. but the Nazis ran you over and your 39 divisions like you were made of paper.. and it was your home. Where your children lived ;- ( Ouch and then the Russians did the same damn thing. :- / Like I said you weren't warriors.. just bums wearing uniforms. :-)))

Tsk , Tsk .. very sad.
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
21 Sep 2009 /  #123
.. actually you misspelled 'uneducated' here. Look up the word 'irony'

Google disgraphy.

Like I said you think the US is a bunch of fat chumps..

Dude your own statistics to which i linked you say that 2/3rd of Americans are obese and 1/3 is outright fat, it has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the majority of US citizens being obese or fat.

Vietnam was not our home..

But Washington was, if i remember correctly you started a war with Brits and they not only kicked your arse but burned your capital down :))))
scrappleton - | 829  
21 Sep 2009 /  #124
But Washington was, if i remember correctly you started a war with Brits and they not only kicked your arse but burned your capital down :))))

They sure did in the early 1800s..200 years ago. LOL.. Okay once more.. what you've brought up here was 200 years ago. It would have been similar to the Russians beating up Lithuainia today. Not really something to brag about as the British were a superpower at the time. You really don't understand history too much, huh? The War of 1812 was basically a stalemant.

Ever heard of this battle, genius:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

Does it look like we got our "arses kicked" here????

Also we didn't have 39 divisions and we sure as hell weren't beaten in less than a month.. plus the British didn't take over our country for any length of time , pull a Katyn on us. Naahh... you have that lovely distinction.

Dude your own statistics to which i linked you say that 2/3rd of Americans are obese and 1/3 is outright fat, it has nothing to do with me and everything to do with the majority of US citizens being obese or fat.

Have you ever set foot in the US... dude? You actually believe 66% of US citizen are obese? You don't know jack sh.t and you're a Euro genius, hahaa.
PlasticPole 7 | 2641  
21 Sep 2009 /  #125
Maybe in California they aren't, but where I live, I'd say it's about 65% or more who are fat. It depends on where in America you are surveying.
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
21 Sep 2009 /  #126
Have you ever set foot in the US... dude? You actually believe 66% of US citizen are obese?

Yes i did and at least in New York and Chicago where different branches of my family live most of people you see on the streets are fat or overweight, i've never seen so many fatties anywhere else to be honest. If these two cities are to be treated as a template (and i dont see why not) then yeah Americans are grossly fat :))
Seanus 15 | 19668  
21 Sep 2009 /  #127
I don't think 66% are obese at all, more like 10% I'd say but I'd have to think about the BMI relative to your average American. It might be closer to 30% in that case.

Detroit and Houston are the 2 fattiest cities. However, 66% of Americans are of European descent.
ShawnH 8 | 1489  
21 Sep 2009 /  #128
66% of Americans are of European descent.

X generations removed, and a completely different lifestyle.
Seanus 15 | 19668  
21 Sep 2009 /  #129
Yes, quite ;) ;)
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2204  
22 Sep 2009 /  #130
Not really something to brag about as the British were a superpower at the time

and the German Wehrmacht in 1939-1941 was what? Toy army?

I can use your excuse to your own argumentation thanks!
PlasticPole 7 | 2641  
22 Sep 2009 /  #131
I don't think 66% are obese at all, more like 10% I'd say but I'd have to think about the BMI relative to your average American. It might be closer to 30% in that case.

Nationally, it's more than 10%, I'm sure. Some people start out fat from the beginning, others balloon while svelt in their youth. It depends on the age group, maybe. 35-50 yr olds, maybe 50% are overweight. 30% of those might be obese. Some cities are healthier, too, especially those out west.
scrappleton - | 829  
22 Sep 2009 /  #132
and the German Wehrmacht in 1939-1941 was what? Toy army?

I can use your excuse to your own argumentation thanks!

Sure , go ahead Reindeer Boy compare Poland in the late 30's with a former colony not even a nation for 40 years? You're welcome. 39 divisions is a lot. Anyone who knows anything about a military knows that's a lot men. Even Stalin respected the Polish army at the time. Hey, I wouldn't have brought it up if all these bastards could shut up about Vietnam for once. Losing your country is a lot worse than losing some peripheral war.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2204  
22 Sep 2009 /  #133
Thinking of the geo-political position Poland is and where USA is it's a huge difference. Specially in the 20th century

- - - - - - - Canada - - - - - -
Ocean - - - USA - - - Ocean
----- -- Mexico - - - -

Baltic Sea - - - Sweden - - - - Baltic Sea
Germany - - - Poland - - - Soviet Union
- - Czeckoslovakia - - Hungary - - Romania

A little bit of difference also specially when two of em were the military giants of thoose times wouldn't you agree? Also counting up Poland is mostly flatland

Although I don't comment about Vietnam... I know what place in American history it takes so I don't use it against any American and I have NEVER done so! Although many Americans used 1939 argument on me! Or even Qusling! That's just not diplomatic I say and rude!
scrappleton - | 829  
22 Sep 2009 /  #134
Although many Americans used 1939 argument on me! Or even Qusling! That's just not diplomatic I say and rude!

You are very sensitive for the Polish Forums.

.. My sincerest apologies for my crude behavior, Grunwald.
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
22 Sep 2009 /  #135
Actually Sean according to this:
cdc.gov/obesity/data/index.html

A whooping 1/3 of all Americans are fat. Not only is one in three Americans a pig but according to these statistics the number of lard buckets is growing.

it takes so I don't use it against any American and I

Because spraying local populations with agent orange and murdering civilians to save them from communism was so very noble of them.

(off to work)
Piorun - | 655  
22 Sep 2009 /  #136
Also we didn't have 39 divisions and we sure as hell weren't beaten in less than a month..

I wouldn't have brought it up if all these bastards could shut up about Vietnam for once. Losing your country is a lot worse than losing some peripheral war.

That was then, let's talk about now: U.S. a country of 304,059,724 (figures for 2008 for all), with a status of the only superpower and technologically vastly superior then the rest of the world in military hardware (at least that's the claim), yet still incapable of defeating Iraq a country of 28,221,180 people with a status of a third world country, or Afghanistan a country of 32,738,376 people with a status equivalent to that of a stone age. Both wakened by recent wars and isolation from the rest of the world with no modern weapons at their disposal to speak of. Yap indeed something to be very proud of. Tell me how many years had it been?, and no end in sight. I suppose this must be way more embarrassing for you, at least after five and a half years of war we can honestly say we were on the winning side but you, what can I say? I guess this speaks for itself, The War in Afghanistan (2001 and counting), The War in Iraq (2003 and counting). Any Idea of when you will claim victory like in Vietnam and go home without achieving any of the initial objectives. We did not lose our country the war was on going for our people and soldiers throughout the war years, much like you have not won in Iraq and Afghanistan (still on going) but you are losing face and respect in the eyes of the world even those at the stone age level, which has to be a much, much, much more humiliating for you.
slo 1 | 51  
22 Sep 2009 /  #137
The Russiаns don't want Poland anyway. Ukraine is what they want

That's naive. They got a lot of land to ignore further land expansion. But they can't manage that land properly to make internal peace. That's one of main reason why they are looking for aggressive actions outside to satisfy at list this way questioning about the quality of life Russiаns. Ukraine or Poland doesn't matter, just another neighbor. The only way it is explain to Russiаns (not to military obsessed regime) that there can be another liberal way of living in peace.

Problem is that Germans and Italians - actual supporters of current Russiаn regime, can't listen to Russiаn radio and read Russiаn Internet to get what they really want.

Russian sphere of influence (for Ukraine) or turn into a third world dump serves nobody, least of all Poland.

Ukrainians were brainwashed by Russiаn empire and Soviet propaganda to be a confronting nation against Poland (starting from Gogol and his rotten "Taras Bulba"). Brainwashed with much more effort than inland Russiаns. If Ukraine independent fallen and aggressors wipe out its pro-democratic elite one more time. Polish people would get such upset and aggressive neighbor it is hard to imagine today. Ukrainians never trusted that stupid brainwashing because in every village some alternative pear to pear history existed about the Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Commonwealth particularly. But if betrayed by brothers from Poland...
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
22 Sep 2009 /  #138
But if betrayed by brothers from Poland...

Oh come on, what did we do? Burn some cities, impale some people and you go and use big words.

I'm addicted to this blasted forum.
slo 1 | 51  
22 Sep 2009 /  #139
Oh come on, what did we do?

You must watch that new ridiculously expensive Russiаn movie (Tarаs Bulba, 2009) on Ukrainian-Polish matters... :-) The only things Polish did not do wrong in 16-th century Ukraine by this movie it is that they did not dry out Blаck See :-)
Seanus 15 | 19668  
22 Sep 2009 /  #140
Sokrates, 1/3 is 33%. Just a reminder. It goes without saying that there are fewer obese people than fat people. If 33% can be fat, about 10% are likely to be obese. Also, you posted one source, that's never enough unless it's purely factual.
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
22 Sep 2009 /  #141
Also, you posted one source,

Scroll back i posted a different one claiming an even bigger number.

Here's another one:
boingboing.net/2005/08/25/american-obesity-sky.html

I can keep posting if you want, the numbers vary but never go below 1/3 and the conclusion is always the same, at least one third of scrappletons are fat.

You must watch that new ridiculously expensive Russiаn movie (Tarаs Bulba, 2009)

It was awesome! The only thing Poles didnt have was a Death Star and Darth Vader, we were so evil Empire! :)
Seanus 15 | 19668  
22 Sep 2009 /  #142
I'll give you a prize if you can tie that back in with the thread idea, Sokrates ;) ;)
Sokrates 8 | 3335  
22 Sep 2009 /  #143
If Commonwealth would still be here Americans wouldnt be fat and stupid, its that simple.
Seanus 15 | 19668  
22 Sep 2009 /  #144
Sorry, that's a fail :)
OP szczeciniak 4 | 92  
23 Sep 2009 /  #145
What would Europe look like with Polish–Lithuanian-ukrainian Commonwealth today

The human mind craves fantasy. But fantasy itself isn't stable. Myths and legends are constantly shifting. What was believed yesterday, is laughed at today. re-examine the former Cold War battlefield!!.

Note the changes around the globe, and the changes in Washington.!!

and What do i think will be happening over the next 20 years? (my cristal boll )
i dont know!! but i know that, united countries like poland- ukraine and lithuania have a chance to stand up against foes and bullies in Europe

so Polish–Lithuanian-ukrainian Commonwealth would be a good thing, for poles:-&
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2204  
24 Sep 2009 /  #146
You are very sensitive for the Polish Forums.

.. My sincerest apologies for my crude behavior, Grunwald

Oh I am mostly taking all in a comical way but how you wrote it wasn't funny at all. Or other to say it like that...

My sincerest apologies for my crude behavior, Grunwald.

I also apology if I ever offended you earlier or I will offend you in the future wich I don't really mean to do.
scrappleton - | 829  
24 Sep 2009 /  #147
but you are losing face and respect in the eyes of the world even those at the stone age level, which has to be a much, much, much more humiliating for you.

Humiliating? Because the world doesn't like us? Did you actually type that? No, most Americans don't really care. I don't care because no matter what we do it's wrong.. or not enough ... or too much. If I had my way we'd be as isolationist as possible and pull out of every base in Europe , S. Korea, S. America, Japan .. etc. Especially out of Europe which naturally is the most expensive..

I have written several senators asking them to consider this and am considering making a few websites about it.

Iraq hasn't been a defeat and neither has Afganistan.. but you can say it if you want. Probably 85 - 90% of Iraqs communications and major roads were subdued within 2 weeks of invasion. It's pretty hard to monitor teenagers pulling out makeshift bombs out of their underpants.. but hey you're the military genius apparently. I'm sure you could do better.

If we pulled a complete blitzkrieg on these countries you'd be p.issing your pants about the human rights. Oh I forgot , you already are. Meanwhile Europeans can't even make movies or cartoons about Islam for fear of Jihad. Americans have fear in Iraq / Afghanistan.. Europeans have it on their own continent.

Sure, Vietnam was a loss, the Russians lost in Chechnya.. you win some, you lose some. However both of us will always lose with the European "intelligencia". Right now the US has to save money so yes we'll probably pull a large portion out of Afghanistan soon. Call it a defeat if you want. Poland's troops are there too (as you remind me on a daily basis).

In closing, you're welcome for the EU. It doesn't get off the ground without "dumb , fat, retarded , evil Yankee". Let's hear somebody deny that one.
stevew 2 | 29  
27 Sep 2009 /  #148
Had the Commonwealth survived, it would soon have become a constitutional democracy in the heart of Europe.

This would have had a profound effect on Russia, Germany and the Austro-Hungarians. Their regimes would have been unlikely to survive. Indeed, that is why they stepped in to stop it from happening.

Had they not intervened and had failed to strangle the embryonic democracy in its cradle, it would likely have spread. France and Poland have always had very strong ties. The two could have strengthened one another, both were moving toward constitutions along with the Americas.

There would be no EU today; it would be the Commonwealth, a greater Commonwealth which even Russia could have been part of.

Today, in reality, the Poles are finally emerging into a world where none of their neighbors appear likely to invade them or to attempt to destabilise them and they can start to expand into their full potential again.

Its as if finally Europe is ready for Poland.
Mr Grunwald 33 | 2204  
27 Sep 2009 /  #149
Its as if finally Europe is ready for Poland.

Oh Europe has allways been ready for it! In the exception of Germanic countries and Russia until now! (GB won't like it I presume though even if they don't want to be the best in Europe anymore)
JacekN - | 7  
27 Sep 2009 /  #150
Nationalities are a disease stemming from XIX century. Take Germany and Poland. Two distinct nations, speaking two distinct languages, having two separate identities bound for war.

Or is it so...?

We know that Slavs dominated up to Elbe and have even crossed it. We also know that Franks have ruled but not exterminated those Slavs. Silesian princes adopted German as their language of choice but did not cut themselves from the Piast dynasty (see Brzeg castle).

So what happend?

Our brothers have simply been germanized and forced to believe that eastern Slavs are subhuman and have no right to form a country. Slavs fought Slavs in the Second World War. Yes, we Slavs are easily brainwashed into thinking that we're fighting the enemy, while we're fighting each other for the benefit of our masters.

Slavs are the most populous people in Europe with little to say. Word 'slave' comes from Slav. Word 'serve' comes from 'Serb'. Word 'Slaby' has most certainly a root in 'Slav'.

It hurts, but you gotta draw the conclusions and learn. Smarten up, Slavs! Stop fighting!!!

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