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What would Europe look like with Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian Commonwealth today


scrappleton  
20 Sep 2009 /  #91
I agree absolutely, in fact i believe that we should cut all alliance ties with America and keep our relations only on business like level.

Sounds good! Russia wants the whole arrogant continent they can have it. It would take them about 10 months. No need for nukes. The US theatened by the EU... hahahahaha.

Your stink is threatening .. that is all. Have a good day szlatcha.. You are all noblemen. I know.
Sokrates  
20 Sep 2009 /  #92
First point, Sokrates, Costa Vs ENEL 1964. Does that mean anything to you?

Doesnt ring the bell, care to elaborate?

Second point, Rockefeller and his kind have plans to whittle away national sovereignty and let's just say that he has power and influence.

There's a long long way to go for that.

They can have Ukraine

Not without a major war. One that Russia cant really afford.

Even the noises of having Ukraine in the EU and NATO is producing heated discussions.

Personal theory of mine, if Ukraine went into EU it would naturally gravitate towards Poland due to similar interests, if 90 milion people and two economies start speaking with one voice they'll eventually aquire more leverage than any single country from the Western Europe, so particular interests of old members mess up EU yet again.

It would take them about 10 months.

At present Russia would have problems even with single states but Russian military weakness is for another thread and yeah EU is a viable competitor against US, a massive market, advanced technology and half a bilion people.
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #93
First point, it established the supremacy of EU Law. You are part of a supranational entity, the days of pure national sovereignty have been severely diluted.

Long long way? All he needs is the nod from the top brass. He has his ideas.

Sokrates, slow down. I was shocked that you said they could have Ukraine. You misread what I wrote.

I agree with your last point but that's not what I was trying to say. The boat will be rocked far too hard before that point is reached.
slo  
20 Sep 2009 /  #94
That ally is not able to settle its internal issues and after 20 years of independents is divided into three distinctive parts.

Oh, please. Don't repeat to me those propaganda things. Ukraine is "divided" in the way every old European nation divided more or less. There is not "three Ukraines", but rather thirty three. Look to Poland attentively, even it is recognized as one of much mono-ethnic nations in the world still their elections map got some patterns.

They are not able face Wolyn massacre and in Lwów they are making obstacles for Poles

Are you talking about some nationalistic supporters in Ukraine? Oh yes, as in Poland, Hungary, everywhere you can find such peoples. For last 20 years Ukrainian state government is very courteous to Polish-Ukrainian historical past.

And what about restoration for owners of land and houses ?

You will be surprised, but Ukraine is one of most respectful countries toward the International law. Go and claim your sized by Red Army house in an international curt. Ask Romanians about how Ukraine is civilized in International law matters, they must confirm.

The best ally would have settled those issues long time ago

Ukrainians could not as they are independent for 18 years only.
Sokrates  
20 Sep 2009 /  #95
I agree with your last point but that's not what I was trying to say. The boat will be rocked far too hard before that point is reached.

One of the problems with Russia is that its unable to stop, the moment it gets things rolling its heading for an European war that no one including Russia will want but due to Russian mindsets will be inevitable.

Also Scrappleton.

US has a lower GDP then EU, less people then EU, you might want to revise your views:))
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #96
We have not much to fear. They lost against Chechnya :)
Sokrates  
20 Sep 2009 /  #97
There's not much satisfaction from a won war if half of your country glows at night.
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #98
Again, that's not the point. Could Chechnya win against 27 EU states?
scrappleton  
20 Sep 2009 /  #99
US has a lower GDP then EU, less people then EU, you might want to revise your views:))

No I don't, come and get it , Szlatcha. Nazis had you in less than a month and you had 40 divisions. No there is nothing whatsoever to fear from the EU. You are not warriors. The Russians know this too. We have better technology than the Nazis and a much bigger military comparatively.

You want it .. you come and get it. Please, it would be very amusing. We'd have that continent in 6 months or less.
Sokrates  
20 Sep 2009 /  #100
Nazis had you in less than a month and you had 40 divisions.

30 to be exact :)

You are not warriors.

True, our history is totally peacefull, by the way you should thank Tadeusz Kościuszko for not being a warrior and not saving your army at Ticonderoga or not fortifying West Point.

Also make sure you remember Kaziemierz Pulaski who trained your half witted cavalry into a fighting force to be feared:))

Seems like we had quite a large contribution to your war of independence for not being warriors :)))

The Russians know this too.

Given that Poland occupied Moscow twice i beg to differ :)))

have better technology than the Nazis and a much bigger military comparatively.

Actually while your technology is decent your military is not all that large at a milion something :)

We'd have that continent in 6 months or less.

You sure you'd find it on a map though?:) You know by being an arrogant ignorant twat you're only reinforcing the stereotype :)))
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #101
How about that Commonwealth? ;) :)
scrappleton  
20 Sep 2009 /  #102
You sure you'd find it on a map though?:)

One can probably smell an unwashed European. We found it in WWI and WWII okay. You recall that right, Szlatcha. You proud nobleman. Pride is dangerous, no?

You know by being an arrogant ignorant twat you're only reinforcing the stereotype :)))

Actually man.. The European has probably stolen that distinction from us long ago. At least when we are arrogant and can usually back it up with something.

Actually while your technology is decent your military is not all that large at a milion something :)

Unlike yours, US military has seen real battle here of late. That makes up for lack of numbers. You would lose in the trenches.. or better yet run away and capitulate. I have seen modern European men.. this decade. The are effeminate and weak. Not fit for the trenches and hand to hand combat. Russians proved that nicely in Stalingrad too. Although you have to respect the Wehrmacht.

30 to be exact :)

39 at least. I've seen it documented many times. You scurried like roaches more or less after a few shells. Bravo.

Kościuszko and Pulaski for quite a while ago.. Modern Poles are not these proud warriors.
Sokrates  
20 Sep 2009 /  #103
Kościuszko and Pulaski for quite a while ago.. Modern Poles are not these proud warriors.

Which is why a contingent of 2500 Poles succesfully holds a province thats normally held by 5000 Americans?:)))

Unlike yours, US military has seen real battle here of late

Oh yes there's plenty of recordings of proud american soldiers fighting handcuffed prisoners in your various concentration camps, heroes:)))

The are effeminate and weak.

Unlike the manly 600 pound Americans:)

At least when we are arrogant and can usually back it up with something.

Yes, you can usually back it up with even more arrogance :)))

How about that Commonwealth? ;) :)

Nothing is impossible in the future.
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #104
The European? Wow, which country is that breed from? I always thought Europe was a continent ;)

Fighting weirdie beardies in a country with old weaponry. Not even winning at that :)

Wow, you'd think Sun-Tzu was an American!
scrappleton  
20 Sep 2009 /  #105
Unlike the manly 600 pound Americans:)

You will wish we are fat if we come for you, Szlatcha. You will wish it and wish it but it won't be true.

Which is why a contingent of 2500 Poles succesfully holds a province thats normally held by 5000 Americans?:)))

After Americans have done all the fighting to subdue the place. :-D :-D : ))))))

Yes you are amazing Szlatcha.. Why don't you give me more tales of heroism from the 1600s?
Lodz_The_Boat  
20 Sep 2009 /  #106
We have no reason or wish to fight Americans... just a particular gang works in PF... throwing alot of crap. Its the SSBB Gang...with other leutenants....
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #107
Lodz, it's a forum, roll with it. Europe shouldn't fight with America. We are just winding Scrappy up. Well, I am at least.
Ironside  
20 Sep 2009 /  #108
One of the problems with Russia is that its unable to stop, the moment it gets things rolling its heading for an European war that no one including Russia will want but due to Russian mindsets will be inevitable.

I don't think there is something like Russian mindset .
At last those in charge are very realistic and cunning and learned as to the ways of the world.

You will be surprised,

I'm surprised.

Ukrainian state government is very courteous to Polish-Ukrainian historical past.

What do you mean by that?

Seanus
Don't bother to wind him up, I think he is actually Russian agent employed to change sentiments in Poland and Europe to Americans.
I think he is doing great job :D.
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #109
Oh, I know who he is, don't worry about that. I can be pretty resourceful when I want to be.

SeanBM may have sth to say about Polish-Lithuanian relations. Mickiewicz and Słowacki established a sound connection. All Poles would have to do is to get used to the Lithuanians saying things like 'byla ladna' instead of 'była ładna' in their dialogue.
Ironside  
20 Sep 2009 /  #110
Oh, I know who he is, don't worry about that

Could you tell me?
As I don't understand him.

Russian agent

would make sense at last:).
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #111
I can't divulge that kind of info, sorry ;)

That Commonwealth would appear to be too much of a pocket within Europe, the kind which Crow looks for. Cooperation is fine without branding it a Commonwealth. Just look at the Commonwealth in which Britain, Canada and Australia are members. Who really gives it a second thought these days?
Ironside  
20 Sep 2009 /  #112
hat Commonwealth would appear to be too much of a pocket within Europe, the kind which Crow looks for. Cooperation is fine without branding it a Commonwealth. Just look at the Commonwealth in which Britain, Canada and Australia are members. Who really gives it a second thought thes

Commonwealth in EU as it is today wouldn't make much sense .....but in the future ...who knows?

can't divulge that kind of info, sorry ;)

PM me?
:P

Good night!
Seanus  
20 Sep 2009 /  #113
If the price is right ;) ;) Good night, Ironside.

A Commonwealth is an antiquated notion of yesteryear.
Bratwurst Boy  
20 Sep 2009 /  #114
No there is nothing whatsoever to fear from the EU.

That's correct!

You are not warriors.

Oh please....If Europe isn't THE continent of wars and warriors, of the greatest empires in history, than what is (Rome, Spain, Charlemagne, Great Britain, France etc.), it's in our blood!
Seanus  
21 Sep 2009 /  #115
Come on, BB, they have Vietnam to look back on ;) ;)
Bratwurst Boy  
21 Sep 2009 /  #116
You know...looking at the mess of Afghanistan I won't make any Vietnam jokes anytime soon...
scrappleton  
21 Sep 2009 /  #117
If Europe isn't THE continent of wars and warriors, of the greatest empires in history, than what is (Rome, Spain, Charlemagne, Great Britain, France etc.), it's in our blood!

Yeah, it was in your blood; you don't have that same amount of dynamism you once had. You could get it back if you could fashion a Wehrmacht like outfit for the EU. This would take a lot of cohesion and money (which you'll probably have) however I don't know if you can do it anytime soon. Besides the British will probably lean more towards the US.

Like a lot things with the European, they see the soldier job as lowly and embarrasing. A lackey existence. Young guys in US / UK / Canada / Aus. don't see it that way. It's often seen as a noble calling and an adventure.

they have Vietnam to look back on

Yes as we are walking down memory lane: you have the Zulus to look back on.. and Washington's ragtag militia. It's tough to defeat an army that isn't really an army like the Viet Cong. They would fire and then run away and pretend to be a farmer for a few months. Send out little kids with grenades and so forth. These were not warriors.
Seanus  
21 Sep 2009 /  #118
How many Scots were killed by Zulus, Scrappy? I'm Scottish, not English, so I'd like to know.

The Viet Cong were not classic warriors but they knew their terrain and played awful mind games which left many American troops scarred. Again, read Black Market by James Patterson. A Nam Vet became a terrorist against the US owing to where they sent him.
scrappleton  
21 Sep 2009 /  #119
How many Scots were killed by Zulus, Scrappy? I'm Scottish, not English, so I'd like to know.

WTF? There were Scotties at the Boston Massacre I suppose some caught a few Zulu spears and Boer bullets from time to time. Are you really that damn dense to say no Scottish fought in these wars? You're ones always hopping down the damn road with John Bull. Tell yourself how many died!
Seanus  
21 Sep 2009 /  #120
Where did I say that no Scottish fought? I know some did but just not how many.

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