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Polish-Hungarian friendship - reality till today or just a phantasmagoria


kabcsi 1 | 10  
30 Oct 2008 /  #1
I'm hungarian and met a lot of polish people at the university and in international camps.
Everyone was friendly, but the most tight relatonships were always tied between hungarian and polish youngs. We have a bunch of historical examples too:

1. In the time of Battle of Mohacs thousands of polish troops disobeyed the order of their king and ran to help the hungarians

2. AFAIK Báthori István is a loved king of poland 'till nowadays

3. In the time of 1848 revolution in Hungary many polish generals helped the hungarian army (for example: Josef Bem)

4. In the WWII hungarians refused to fight against Poland

5. Polish support in 1956

6. On March 12, 2007, Hungary's parliament declared March 23 as the Day of Hungarian-Polish Friendship, with 324 votes in favour, no vote against and no abstention and on March 16, 2007, Polish parliament declared March 23 as the Day of Polish-Hungarian Friendship.

What's your opinion about this friendship?
OP kabcsi 1 | 10  
30 Oct 2008 /  #2
Oh, and don't forget the proverb:

"Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki"
"Lengyel, magyar két jóbarát, együtt harcol s issza borát"
"Polish, Hungarian are two good friends, they fight and drink their wine together”
polishgirltx  
30 Oct 2008 /  #3
i like hungarian goulash, therfore we can be friends... ;)
McCoy 27 | 1,275  
30 Oct 2008 /  #4
Bucharest is a really nice city ;)
Svenski 1 | 159  
30 Oct 2008 /  #5
hmm..a ghoul hungry for goulash from Hungary
OP kabcsi 1 | 10  
30 Oct 2008 /  #6
Budapest is a nice city ;)
Crow 137 | 7,992  
30 Oct 2008 /  #7
Polak, Węgier, dwa bratanki, i do szabli, i do szklanki"

yes, just don`t forget that `szabli` (sablja) is Serbian word, same as Visegrad (Vishegrad).... and same as King Matijas himself, Hunyadi Janos (Sibinjanin Janko) and Petefi Sandor (Aleksandar Petrovic), ... who were of Serbian origin and same as Hussar (Gusar) concept began in Serbia, not in Hungary and same as Vatzi street in center of Budapest was in fact Ratzy (Serbian) street formed by Serbian traders, etc, etc...

Then, explain to Poles why Hungary promote German interests in the region (Balkan).
McCoy 27 | 1,275  
30 Oct 2008 /  #8
Budapest is a nice city ;)

i've never been to bulgaria ;)
southern 75 | 7,096  
30 Oct 2008 /  #9
Polish-Hungarian friendship -

Cicciolina or Marianna Rokita?
OP kabcsi 1 | 10  
30 Oct 2008 /  #10
Then, explain to Poles why Hungary promote German interests in the region (Balkan).

I'm not talking about a Balkan-Hungarian friendship... it's about polish-hungarian friendship. Hungary was an ally to Hitler, yet Hungary received more than 100000 Polish refugees after the German invasion and even established schools for Polish children. The Hungarian army also refused to take part in the crushing of the Warsaw Uprising by the German Army.

Attack against Yugoslavia is an other question. It not reflects the relationship between poles and hungarians.
southern 75 | 7,096  
30 Oct 2008 /  #11
Just tell me,where polish troops in Budapest 1956?
Crow 137 | 7,992  
30 Oct 2008 /  #12
Attack against Yugoslavia is an other question. It not reflects the relationship between poles and hungarians.

it weakened Slavic South...

speaking about Hungarian hostility on Serbians... historicaly it dirrectly weakening Polish flank on the South and opening pass to the Germany which that way cut Polish acces to the Adriatic zone and Black see (traditional sphere of interests of old Polish warlords, Kings and traders).

It also cut Russian access to the Adriatic but, its bigger problem for Poland. It is because that situation force Russians to accept German schemes (Germany controls the region, not the Russians or Poles or Serbians). Germany absolutely profit. Poles are forced to retreat without manuverable space. Weaker Serbs, weaker Poles. That`s how it is from the beggining of time.

Hungarians only helping to Poles to died in silence.
OP kabcsi 1 | 10  
30 Oct 2008 /  #13
Just tell me,where polish troops in Budapest 1956?

In 1956 Poles didn't send troops, but they gave blood for the injured and the polish red cross transported about 50 tons of medicament with up to 15 planes to hungary. The polish support was much bigger then the american or any other help!

Hungarians only helping to Poles to died in silence.

Hungary didn't have a choice. They widthstood as long as they could. But the pressure was too much. But after this step prime minister Teleki committed suicide, because he couldn't forgive himself for this step. But I believe that Hungary really didn't have a choice!
southern 75 | 7,096  
30 Oct 2008 /  #14
Are the Hungarians still interested in Transylvania,eastern Slovakia and Vojvodina?
Do they like Austria?
OP kabcsi 1 | 10  
30 Oct 2008 /  #15
Some extreme right-winged groups are still interested the former parts of Great Hungary of course. But the majority accepted the unchangeable....
Austria isn't as much "problem" as Romania, because they didn't receive so much territory. So I think even between the right-winged Austria is ok.

But this revisionist ideology reflects only some extreme right-winged groups' mentality.
Sasha 2 | 1,083  
30 Oct 2008 /  #16
:)) No room for Russians in this topic as far as I understand, right? But I'm frankly glad you have a good relationships.
OP kabcsi 1 | 10  
30 Oct 2008 /  #17
Everyone has room in this topic ;) Just write down your opinion, experience about this topic... Or the historical problems
southern 75 | 7,096  
30 Oct 2008 /  #18
of Great Hungary

What is your opinion Crow?Should Great Hungary be a reality?
This kabsci sounds like Hungarian.
OP kabcsi 1 | 10  
30 Oct 2008 /  #19
This kabsci sounds like Hungarian.

Yes I'm a hungarian if You mean I speak as a hungarian.
And if you're interested about the name Kabcsi, i will tell you that too:

Kabcsi came from the hungarian word Kabóca which means a kind of grasshopper, and the formative "-csi" means little something (just like Charles -> little Charlie)

This name was given to me by my girlfriend. In hungary if you love someone you often call him/her Kabóca, and my gf put a formative to the end, so this is the history of my nick.
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
30 Oct 2008 /  #21
Hungarian brother, I think Poland-Hungary have one of the best relationships which two countries could ever have. We have always respected each other, and have shed blood for each other. The proverb which exists is the only such proverb I can think of in the world, which most of the population in each country can recite.

One more interesting fact to add to your list.

Genetic kinship
Recent genetic research[1] prove that this pledge has a factual basis. Both Polish and Hungarian populations have the highest frequency of the R1a Y gene in Europe. Two people will have the same Y chromosome marker only if they originated from the same father. This article does not cite any references or sources. ... In human genetics, Haplogroup R1a1 (M17) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup, that is spread across Eurasia. ... The human Y chromosome is one of two sex chromosomes, it contains the genes that cause testis development, thus determining maleness. ... A genetic marker is a known DNA sequences

So you see, bracie, that we are not only united in respect and outlook, but we are also blood brothers.

This is a very nice video about our Brotherhood.
youtube.com/watch?v=_YJVO6jPaR0
dcb  
30 Oct 2008 /  #22
Lengyel-Magyar Barátság Party 2007.09.29 Győr V2 Music Club ;)



Węgrom - A Magyaroknak




Crow 137 | 7,992  
31 Oct 2008 /  #23
Hungary didn't have a choice. They widthstood as long as they could. But the pressure was too much. But after this step prime minister Teleki committed suicide, because he couldn't forgive himself for this step. But I believe that Hungary really didn't have a choice!

i do believe that German pressure was crucial for Hungarian attack on Yugoslavia in WWII. It also contributed to Hungarian involvement during dissolution of Yugoslavia. I won`t even comment 1999 when both (and many others)- Poland and Hungary were forced to took part in NATO bombardement of Yugoslavia. We clearly see today that NATO represent tool of German expansion and EU institution where German, Franch, British, USA interests coordinates with plans of Islamic league.

but, constant problem in Hungarian-Serbian and Hungarian-Slovakian situation is also idea about Greater Hungary in the some heads of Hungarian elite

It would be much bater that Hungary completely join in Poland (frankly, Hungarians are of Slavic origin just with Hun linguistic influences). After all, territory of today`s Hungary was core of Great Moravia- vast Slavic Kingdom. Polish-Hungarian joint state would for sure prevent implementation of German schemes in the region. That would greately relax political situation.

Then, Serbia would be also interested to join what would geo-strategicaly restore political realm of Sarmatia Europae, ancient Baltic-Balkan Danubian line.

With Serbia in combination, Polish manuverable space would increase to the maximum. Economies of many former Yugoslav republics are still dependant on Serbian market, Serbian language speaks about 25 mil people in the region. All products produced in Serbia has dirrect acces to the Russian market. Our agriements with Russia provide us also privileged acces to Russian resources, etc, etc.

With Poland, Serbia can count on good Polish-Vatican relations and can profit from it. In general, Catholic-Orthodox relations would be improved thanks to our dirrect partnership. On the long run, Germany would become minor player and Poland crucial partner of Vatican`s foreign policy.

Only Serbian condition for sure would be- neutrality on current military alliances and strictly independant foreign policy of joint Polish-Hungarian-Serbian [let`s say] economic union. Serbia would also take on itself obligation to provide Russian political support for Polish-Hungarian-Serbian union (confederation). Poland-Hungary would secure that so called west accept all this.

Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Montenegro, Croatia, possible even Ukraine, Byelorussia and Baltic states would follow and join us.

Opened questions (of all kind) between those who are interested to become members of such eventual confederation should be object of public disscusions so that public could see what is problem. We can even form Confederal Court which would suggests how problems should be solved.

this was just my oppinion but many more here could be said

If you ask me what is receipt for Poland to become world power and big player, it is scenario described above. Why Hungary wouldn`t support this. Let us all profit, not that always others decide for us.
Marek 4 | 867  
31 Oct 2008 /  #24
'Bucharest is a really lovely city.' I agree, too bad it's not in Hungary--:)
Guess you must have meant to type 'Budapest' (he-he)
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
31 Oct 2008 /  #25
Crow

Hungarians are NOT Slavic! In fact they get quite offended when compared to Slavs...

Hungarian-Slovakian situation

You call this a situation? Under-statement wouldn't you say?
Crow 137 | 7,992  
31 Oct 2008 /  #26
You call this a situation? Under-statement wouldn't you say?

explain what`s your point
southern 75 | 7,096  
31 Oct 2008 /  #27
Hungarians are NOT Slavic!

They have R1a haplotype about 55%.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1a
Marek 4 | 867  
31 Oct 2008 /  #28
The 'point' is that calling Hungarians Slavs is rather much like calling Turks Arabs since they live in the same general neck of the woods.

Magyars are decendants of Huns (from HUNgarian, get it??-:) who moved across the North Urals into Central Europe and established settlements in what is today called 'Hungary' (until 1918 though, much of what is today Romania, but let's please not drag the failed Trianon Treaty into it!! This is, after all not a Hungarian Forum). The Huns were Asians, not Slavs, much as the Swedes, strictly speaking aren't Slavs either, they're Germanic, yet are perhaps distantly related to the proto-Slavic Rurik.

Shelley's point is not such a small one, I'm afraid.
OP kabcsi 1 | 10  
31 Oct 2008 /  #29
Crow

Your idea of a Polish-Hungarian-Serbian Union would be never possible. The world-politics will never let such things happen. Besides: our leaders and dumb nationalistic groups of slovakia, romania, serbia and hungary will never support this because of hundred-year hatred. I will gladly see a Great East-European or even a "Europe-Between" (=eastern Europe including the region from Finland to Greece) Union. But I'm afraid this only remain an idealistic dream...
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
31 Oct 2008 /  #30
explain what`s your point

If you need me to do that then you really are stupid!

Shelley's point is not such a small one, I'm afraid.

Thanks for explaining :) Everyone is fooking Slavic as far as Crow is concerned!

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