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Poles and Americans, what do you think, are we friends or enemies?


Lyzko 20 | 6,054
14 Dec 2017  #151
The only ones stopping us politically from becoming (or remaining) "friends" are ourselves:-)
Joker 1 | 764
15 Dec 2017  #152
Poles and Americans, what do you think, are we rather friends or enemies?

Poles and Americans get along just fine except, sometimes on this forum where internet expat trolls try to split us apart.

In the real world we socialize and have good times together.

And they also have awesome food and hot women..........:):)
NoToForeigners 6 | 955
15 Dec 2017  #153
As a Pole i find Hamburgericans harmless dumb@sses. :) Quite hilarious they are. I find them.... entertaining...or amusing... like animals in a Zoo.

Actually it was a World Monkey Day yesterday or 2 days ago. Late Happy Holiday 'Muricans.
Lyzko 20 | 6,054
15 Dec 2017  #154
I submit you know nearly ZERO Americans, at best, have observed some army brats from the States who typically behave like one of the Simpson brothers abroad, this true., while never having taken the time necessary to familiarize yourself with the best of American culture (and make no mistake, we have one).

You judge the whole batch based on a single bad apple and this is wrong!

Just imagine were I or anyone to hold you, for instance, up to the standard of ALL Poles. Heaven help usLOL
Joker 1 | 764
15 Dec 2017  #155
As a Pole i find Hamburgericans harmless dumb@sses. :)

Thats why we should pull out of NATO and let you disrecptful degenerates fend for yourselves:)

Actually it was a World Monkey Day yesterday or 2 days ago. Late Happy Holiday 'Muricans.

Dont coming running to America then when Vlad decides to invade Europe. You would make a good commie again!

Oh yeah, Ill just wait until the Muslim terrorists finish taking over Europe. Nice going PC fools! LoL

Who's really the dumbass monkey NTF?
kaprys 2 | 1,675
15 Dec 2017  #156
It's nice of you to say you'd rather the US left NATO just because you disagree with someone on the internet. Pffff. ...
As for the topic of the thread, I don't think Poles hate Americans. There are some both positive and negative stereotypes of Americans but that pretty much applies to all nations.
Joker 1 | 764
15 Dec 2017  #157
I thought the :) would of gave a clue I'm kidding.
I'm just dishing out the same back at NTF who constantly attacks Americans on this forum with foul language and amazingly gets away with it.
kaprys 2 | 1,675
15 Dec 2017  #158
Honestly, guys ....
All of you need to chill out.
It's a vicious circle.
Tc ;)
johnny reb 15 | 3,141
15 Dec 2017  #159
Very well said kaprys as you make a very valid point being a native Pole yourself.
You........you are a very bright educated Pole with edict, morals, manners and show maturity.
On the other end of the spectrum we have Poles like NTF and Maffy that are completely opposite of you.
Me as an American don't consider any of the Polish immature youngsters here an enemy.
They are still young and with a lot of growing up to do yet.
So in short, I get along just fine with younger mature Poles like you and ALL the older Poles here. :-)
That's what I think as an old American Pole.
kaprys 2 | 1,675
15 Dec 2017  #160
Thnx Johnny ;)
I'd better take my own advice as I just got annoyed by that my-greatgrandparent-were-Polish poster ;)
Joker 1 | 764
15 Dec 2017  #161
Just wait until he brings up Pulaski Day! LoL

We have a Polish Constitution Day Parade in Chicago where 1000`s of these kids paint their faces red and white, drape their cars with Polish flags and drive around they city honking their horns.

Just because it annoys you doesn't seem to effect the Poles of Chicago or aren't they pure Polish like you?
kaprys 2 | 1,675
15 Dec 2017  #162
I'm not annoyed with Polish Americans, just that guy keeps writing the same things in almost every single post.

As for Polish Americans, their experience is different than Poles'. First generation immigrants' experience is different than their kids' or grandchildren's. And so on?

Are they pure Polish like me, you're asking
.. well, define 'pure Polish' ;)
idem - | 135
15 Dec 2017  #163
I think that some 'Polish American ' are like 'African American'- second/third generation of polish emigrants who have never been to Poland.:-).

I don't think that they understand Poland as for today- they live in the past and their information is based on TV/internet/some tradition brought by parents or grandparents. I can define myself 100% Polish as I was born/educated and worked few years in Poland. I visit few times a year/ have flat in Krakow.....but after have been living for 10 years in UK I lost a bit touch with every day life in Poland . Everything changes very quickly and I probably live in the past too ...what about someone who never has been to Poland or visited it once or twice?
Lyzko 20 | 6,054
15 Dec 2017  #164
I've met a number of Polish-Americans who claim to have neither knowledge of not even interest in Polish. This is increasingly more common among Poles, I've noticed, than among Russian-Americans or Hispanics.
TheOther 5 | 3,566
15 Dec 2017  #165
the Poles of Chicago

Just like all the "Irish" on St. Patrick's Day ... Americans.
johnny reb 15 | 3,141
15 Dec 2017  #166
Yes, Irish - Americans, Polish - Americans, and Afro-Americans.
idem - | 135
15 Dec 2017  #167
America is the land of emigrants so everyone has some roots....but they are 'Americans' with some European roots.
TheOther 5 | 3,566
15 Dec 2017  #168
Irish - Americans, Polish - Americans, and Afro-Americans.

Yes, and they'll all get drunk on St. Patrick's day...
kaprys 2 | 1,675
15 Dec 2017  #169
Honestly speaking, I don't think it's surprising let's say third generation Polish Americans are not interested in Poland ;)
@idem
I think your experience is also different - you grew up in Poland, moved to the UK, yet live close enough to visit Poland on a regular basis.
Bieganski 17 | 901
15 Dec 2017  #170
Poles of Chicago

Just like all the "Irish" on St. Patrick's Day ... Americans.

You're wrong and Joker is absolutely correct in his statement.

There are both mutli-generational Polish American as well as Polish passport holding Polish nationals residing in Chicago and elsewhere in North America and around the world.

As a globalist civic nationalist (with obvious fealty towards Zionism) you and your ilk may despite the reality of the Polish diaspora but that doesn't matter because since 2002 the Polish Government has honored the existence and contributions of Polonia with official celebrations each year on May 2nd:

2 May celebrates Polish Diaspora and Poles Abroad Day

In 2002, the Sejm, on the Senate's initiative, "in recognition of centuries-old achievements and the contribution of the Polish diaspora and Poles abroad to regaining by Poland of independence, loyalty and attachment to Polishness, and for helping the country in its most difficult moments" decided to declare 2 May the Polish Diaspora and Poles Abroad Day.

Source: msz.gov.pl/en/news/2_may_celebrates_polish_diaspora_and_poles_abroad_day

This position was reaffirmed by the Polish Government in 2017:

Day of the Polish Diaspora and Poles Abroad

The largest Polish diaspora is located in the United States, where in 2012 over 9.6 million people declared their Polish origin.

In a speech delivered in Poland's Sejm in February 2017, Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski stressed that "the Polish diaspora and Poles living abroad occupy a unique place in the foreign policy of the Republic of Poland. They are members of our Polish family, a part of Poland in the farthest corners of the world."


Source: waszyngton.msz.gov.pl/en/news/day_of_the_polish_diaspora_and_poles_abroad
idem - | 135
15 Dec 2017  #171
The largest Polish diaspora is located in the United States, where in 2012 over 9.6 million people declared their Polish origin.

exactly origin.....what does it mean? Someone with polish surname who can't speak polish language and whose grandfather emigrated to USA after war. These people are not Polish. They have only Polish roots/origin

Poles living abroad occupy a unique place in the foreign policy of the Republic of Poland. They are members of our Polish family, a part of Poland in the farthest corners of the world."[/quote]
Again Poles living abroad - It is first generation of emigrants people who hold polish passports. Plus of course he wants them to vote for his party:-)
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
15 Dec 2017  #172
official celebrations

What official celebrations?

See, if you were here, you'd know that no-one cares about the Polonia in the US. Poles in the UK - yes, they care, because these people maintain strong links with Poland. But Polonia in the US/Canada? Blah, non-issue, no-one cares.
TheOther 5 | 3,566
15 Dec 2017  #173
As a globalist civic nationalist (with obvious fealty towards Zionism) you and your ilk may despite the reality of the Polish diaspora

LOL! I knew it was only a matter of time before one of you PolAm/ PolCan nut jobs - or as Kaprys called you "my-greatgrandparent-were-Polish posters" - show up.
kaprys 2 | 1,675
15 Dec 2017  #174
Hey! I was talking about one particular guy who keeps writing about his great grandparents who immigrated to the US in the 19th century and how he feels offended by Poles.
TheOther 5 | 3,566
15 Dec 2017  #175
I was talking about one particular guy

I know. I only borrowed that expression from you because it was so fitting. Here ... you can have it back now ... :)
Bieganski 17 | 901
15 Dec 2017  #176
These people are not Polish. They have only Polish roots/origin

Wow! You are so out of touch with reality. And you are a coward as well. These people who you claim are not Polish obviously never heard of you before because you certainly are not brave enough to tell any of them face-to-face what you think about them.

And I'm sure that in your small minded little world the Polish Government should be more worried about meeting an imposed quota from Brussels regarding African economic migrants with inflatable orange floatation devices wrapped around their low-IQ heads rather than meeting with talented, successful and cultured Poles whom you personally don't regard as being Polish.

But your opinion doesn't matter anyway. It's the Polish Government which is actively engaging with Poland's diaspora and well established organizations founded by and committed to Polonia.

For example, take the Kosciuszko Foundation over in the United States where President Duda attended a meeting in September 2017.

PRESIDENT OF POLAND ANDRZEJ DUDA VISITS THE KOSCIUSZKO FOUNDATION

Meeting with the Scientists of Polish Origin, Members of the KF Collegium of Eminent Scientists

The meeting was not only a chance to present to the President the current leaders and thinkers in these fields, but also to find ways to help further the education of the students in Poland who wish to study and learn abroad.

This recent and important meeting with President Duda, the Kosciuszko Foundation, and the Collegium will increase the dialogue between the Polish governments and the Foundation in order to raise awareness of Polish scientific achievements in the United States and encourage the younger generation of Polish ancestry to seek support from this rich Polish scientific community.


Source: thekf.org/kf/events/KF-News/President_of_Poland_visits_the_KF

Obviously you don't move in such important, influential and high level circles (unless of course you happen to wait tables at some of the catered events), but if you took the time you would discover that there is plenty of published information out there showing other regularly held engagements which are held between the Polish Government and Polonia all around the world with meetings and events held in Poland as well.

What official celebrations? See, if you were here, you'd know that no-one cares about the Polonia in the US.

May the 2nd and held each year in Poland.

But of course you wouldn't know anything about it since the proclamations and celebrations in Poland are done in Polish and you are just another washed-up member of the Anglo expat loser back home/true forced loneliness/involuntarily celibate community who spends each day on PF (when not suspended or incarcerated) autistically ranting in English against Polonia.

Anyway, speaking of British losers and their resentment towards Polonia, did you know that 2017 marked the 200th anniversary of the passing of the great, history making Polish American hero Tadeusz Kościuszko?

No, of course you didn't.

There were many commemorations held on both sides of the Atlantic. Here is a just a glance at some of the activities:









And unsurprisingly there were no postings on PF about General Kościuszko at the time regarding his life not only as a giant of history but as a Pole living abroad in America.

I understand you lost your teaching job again. Shame that only because it could have been an opportunity for you to make amends here and inform Polish children of Kościuszko's pivotal role in defeating British tyranny.

Kościuszko masterminded the British defeat at Saratoga in the American state of New York. He oversaw construction of military fortifications at West Point which is today's home to the US Army Military Academy.

Here is some teaching material you could have used.

Presidents Duda and Komorowski have each attended solemn ceremonies at West Point honoring Kościuszko as a freedom fighter:



And the most important teaching aid you could have used is this one:

Yes! It's an actual coin in circulation commemorating the British defeat at Saratoga in the American State of New York and all thanks to Kościuszko!

And as you read this just know that there are 438,800,000 of these legal tender coins in circulation being used each day by over 9.6 million people of declared Polish origin in the United States and scores of other Polish nationals visiting and residing in the United States. Heck, there are very likely thousands of these same coins in Poland collected by numismatists and brought in as souvenirs by returning Polish tourists and as pocket change for members of the American military, embassy and business community.

You could have even set a challenged to see if any of your students had any of these coins at home.

But no.

Just another lost opportunity for you to be of any use in Poland.

You should save the image of the coin to your computer's desktop as a regular reminder that it doesn't just represent your home country's shameful past but your own personal dysfunctional present and bleak future as well.

The British, losers back home and losers abroad in any era.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
15 Dec 2017  #177
Watching a Canadian insult a Polish person that was born and educated in Poland is quite hilarious, I think.

Still, not a bad way to confirm in the minds of Poles that North Americans are not their friends. Of course, assuming that anyone actually intends to read the drivel above that seems to be nothing but one big personal attack on posters.
Bieganski 17 | 901
15 Dec 2017  #178
Watching a Canadian insult a Polish person that was born and educated in Poland is quite hilarious, I think.

Oh? But surely not as absurd as your fellow Brit Rachel Bull claiming to be Polish herself on national TV while launching into a public tirade against Polish immigration to Britain.

Our town's like a foreign country and locals can't cope with the immigrants, says mother after TV clash with academic on Question Time

She said her family is proud of its background and enjoy pierogi - traditional dumplings - from the local Polish shops.

My dad and brother used to go there every day as my dad speaks Polish, to explain to them that they have to move on because we were getting complaints from environmental health, and local residents were complaining...

I don't want it to be about them and us... but when resources are stretched that's when the animosity starts, and we don't want that'


Source: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2264799/Our-towns-like-foreign-country-Locals-cope-immigrants-says-mother-TV-clash-academic.html

Hmmm. Let's see,

- fled Poland rather than stay, fight and rebuild - check;

- purports to have a Polish connection but simultaneous sneers at the presence of genuine Poles in her own community in Britain - check;

- will only touch the pierogi from the shops because there obviously isn't a tradition of making it at home - check;

- talks about "us" and "them" when it comes to "stretched resources" - check;

- first name is Rachel - check;

- surname isn't Polish - check.

Yes, it seems the poster idem has a lot in common with Rachel Bull.

Do you know if the poster idem has discovered her own "Jewish roots" as well?
delphiandomine 83 | 17,531
15 Dec 2017  #179
Poles and Americans, what do you think, are we friends or enemies?

Stay on topic, Biegsy.
Joker 1 | 764
16 Dec 2017  #180
Kościuszko masterminded the British defeat at Saratoga in the American state of New York. He oversaw construction of military fortifications at West Point which is today's home to the US Army Military Academy.

Very interesting info, Thanks!
There is a huge statue of Koscicsko along the Chicago lakefront. A lot of Polish influence in this city despite what some foreign trolls would have you believe.

Check this old photo out 50,000 Poles in Chicago
chicagoparkdistrict.com/photos/northerly-island-thaddeus-kosciusko-monument

Ya, I think we get along just fine with one another:)

Poles and Americans, what do you think, are we friends or enemies?

You neither Polish or American, so it doesn't include you


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