I have noticed a trend lately wherein weird little Polish no-marks have decided to make careers as 'content creators' on YouTube - and their videos are all centred around claiming the British are sh*t in one way or another, and of course the Poles are much better.
youtu.be/-DML6mZ5njI?si=2b2x-6BJIh9FLVYE
youtu.be/a1Im8ISpCwY?si=bBraeu_Y4LynTDew (I warn you, the replies in this one one would make Mother Theresa and the Dalai Lama start thinking about mass Polish deportation).
youtu.be/avlcEbckNPc?si=QJbkoS_X4c0CrjYL
^ just a few examples. The platform is full of them. Sometimes they frame insults as 'questions' but they know exactly what they're doing.
Every video's comments are full of Polish ars*holes bleating "I leeve in the Eengland 15 lata and I agree, they're a terrible people. Beautiful Poles and Polska so much better." Makes me want to vomit.
Apparently (or so these sh*theads on these videos tell me), British people are fake and duplicitous and Poles are honest and straightforward. So honest and straightforward that they'll bottle up all their bile about their hosts and then spew it out among themselves online in their own language in these hatred get-togethers. Got it. Yeah, that's that famous Polish straight talking they keep telling me so much about.
This is very, VERY c*nty behaviour IMO and stuff that Poles would not tolerate for one second from any migrants in their own country, the rabidly nationalistic f*cks. If you've spent more than about five minutes in this flag-festooned, irony-free place you will know exactly what I mean.
What is their problem? They move abroad in huge numbers, having every home comfort they could wish (try being any kind of foreigner in Poland, we get nothing here, it's grim), being endlessly accommodated by the nation and native population - and then turn around and just pour scorn all over us at every opportunity.
It is absolutely pathetic. Can they just not help being pr*cks?
What I also find hilarious is when Poles emigrate en masse to a country (e.g. the UK), and then complain about other migrants living there and lamenting that the cities they live in are no longer English, German or French. :D
I like what you're doing here and in other threads, WarSore. If foreigners read your posts, it should discourage them from coming to Poland. Keep up the good work! *thumbs up*
Yeah, I've noticed that too - hilarious. "Where are all the English?!" They seem to think they're better than black and Asian people whose families have lived in our countries for generations - Magda and Pawel turned up sometime after 2004 from a 'white' European country and that means they think they should get preferential treatment. Every other minority community says the Poles are racist and arrogant.
Re. discouraging foreigners: what would be amazing poetic justice would be if, with Poland's much-lauded economic rise, IT were suddenly subject to vast amounts of economic migration from a poorer and culturally different country, e.g., Bulgaria, Romania, maybe even Albania or Turkey if they joined the EU. According to my dream scenario, these immigrants then proceed to sh*t-talk Poland absolutely mercilessly all over the internet, and Poles finally get a taste of their own medicine - which they really cannot stomach. I'm living to see this day.
their kids who've grown up abroad often don't see themselves as Polish
They shouldn't see themselves as Polish. When their parents emigrated, and decided to stay abroad permanently, they became Plastic Poles. So what should their children be? Double Plastics?
They are better off being British, German or even (though I pity their fate) French.
what would be amazing poetic justice
It is a warm day but I shivered. I hope it never happens in Poland.
Just keep doing what you're currently doing and everything will be all right. :)
When their parents emigrated, and decided to stay abroad permanently, they became Plastic Poles.
Depends. Liverpool is closer to Warsaw than Szczecin is. 2.5 hours on the plane v. a day on the train.
People assimilate to different degrees, however it is easy to live in a bubble nowadays watching one's own TV, buying Masmix, Jogobella and even bags of sugar from home.
@jon357 I meant to reply in the other thread - how absolutely maniacally nationalistic, against integration, and arrogant about "our country's stuff" do you have to be that the supermarkets now cater for your demand for Prymat black pepper, Polish energy drinks that taste exactly like every other, and so on? Meanwhile, imagining Biedronka selling anything for any of Poland's minorities is like some kind of fever dream fantasy - unlikely in our lifetime.
Don't know about Biedronka as they have a very specific model to only present a limited choice; but Auchan and Kaufland have Ukrainian sections and big city Auchans also have a Vietnamese section.
Retailers are well organized in any country - they will fill any vacuum where they think they can make money.
Who is owning the Polish stores in the UK ? I was wondering if previous generations from India, Greece etc were just releasing the premises and putting a Polish sign up ?
Guys, please, you are like all foreigners - clueless. Let me explain...
Assimilation only makes sense and is to be expected when people from lower cultures assimilate to higher cultures. Hence, it's obvious that we expect all foreigners in Poland to assimilate whilst expecting Poles anywhere in the world to assimilate to those inferior cultures is unreasonable. Get real.
@jon357 Actually, I mean Tesco and Sainsbury's! It's crazy in there, you'll find half of Zabka there now, all laid out for our gracious and grateful guests in their own sections.
Basic spices, Prymat-branded. Tymbark juice (that is just like any other fruit juice).Tiger energy drinks. And that's just the cupboard aisle - then you look in the Poles' dedicated fridge containing all the chilled home comforts these princes and princesses would otherwise desperately miss
Along with the multiple varieties of kabanosy, kielbasa and those awful parowki things (and the vomitous sledz and cottage cheese), you've also got generic-as-f*ck Mlekpol/Mlekowita yellow cheese. This is a refrigerated, perishable product that's being laid out for them, because they just need it so desperately, and it's basically identical to every other generic yellow cheese you can get in counties all over the world. But, y'know, it's the Polish one and "the Polish one is better" - which might as well be this lot's national motto.
These aircraft hanger-sized French and German places in shopping malls don't represent shopping in Poland. I hate it when people try to pretend they do, it's just so f*cking disingenuous. It's a bit like when Tucker Carlson tried to persuade people that all the Russians are doing their everyday shopping in huge, expensive Auchans there: youtu.be/DmHv6y4HQbA?si=aRlIC74uWAOPwxdP
I am willing to bet you that the 'Vietnamese section' (in reality likely a 'misc Asian section' that's mostly store cupboard goods) is completely dwarfed by the dedicated Polish areas (chilled and cupboard) in every single normal-sized Tesco and Sainsbury's on pretty much every highstreet in the UK. Meanwhile, what's the only supermarket that's always within about 10 minutes' walk wherever you live in any Polish city? You know the answer.
hen Poles emigrate en masse to a country (e.g. the UK), and then complain about other migrants
Poles are very far from the only nationality to do this. It's completely normal for those new to a country to be out of sorts and frustrated and to vent for a while. Eventually it cools down.
amazing poetic justice would be if, with Poland's much-lauded economic rise, IT were suddenly subject to vast amounts of economic migration from a poorer and culturally different country
Ukraine before the pandemic doesn't count? The process wasn't problem free but what was astounding was how few problems there were....
how absolutely maniacally nationalistic, against integration, and arrogant about "our country's stuff" do you have to be
Back in the 90s I remember an British guy (I think English but partly Welsh if that makes sense) who was very upset that Ruch didn't care British press or British cigarette brands.... same guy actually bragged that after 10 years in the country he spoke no Polish (apparently his wife did everything for him and I suspected she had channeled her maternal instincts into sheltering him from reality).
@mafketis Ukrainians might as well be Poles with a bit of Cyrillic. They are your next-door neighbour and possibly one of your most similar neighbours culturally (that's probably why they don't mind your food, weather and conservatism). That's like English managing to cope surprisingly well with mass Irish migration. Ok, we didn't do too well with that during the mid-20th century, but we're pretty fine with each other now.
Out of sorts and frustrated due to adjusting is one thing, but I am seeing Poles ****-talking en masse, and many say "I leeve in UK 20 lata", etc.
I can imagine why a certain kind of Englishman would miss his fags and newspapers in the 90s, especially if it was pre-internet. But do Poles really need your own ketchup, black pepper, energy drinks and fruit juice in every reasonable-sized supermarket in the land? Gigantically entitled.
@mafketis I don't think that's the problem here. But if your countrypeople, hundreds of thousands of whom live pampered lives in my 'oh-so-masakra' country, could just stop comment-bombing literally every internet platform with insulting sh*t about us for five seconds flat, I would really love that and it would make bearing Poland a lot easier.
Dude... I'm an American (no Polish ancestry whatsoever) who's lived here.... a long time. I vented mightily for a few years about everything wrong in the country and then I eventually calmed down (still complain but not the clueless 'people are so rude!' culture shock stuff that newcomers are famous for)
And bureaucracy is sooo much easier now. I had to renew my residence card last year and the whole process was very easy, requiring just three trips to the urząd (to leave off the online forms I filled out and the other necessary documents; then for a quick in-person interview and then to pick up the new card). Easy Peasy!
Empik did,
Pre-Empik (hard to imagine, I know...). I remember finding anything in English I would want to read was a big challenge then... but I didn't expect random Ruch kiosks to carry the Atlantic or Vanity Fair....
This guy had actually been homeless in the UK. Apparently he had been doing fine in an office career and then economic disruptions meant he lost his job and ended up on the streets for a time. Apparently there was a program then that trained some homeless people as English teachers and then sent them out of the country. He was very upfront and not embarrassed about it (good for him!) But knowing that I could think of at least three other Brits from around that time that I suspect had been in similar straits as their presence in Poland was otherwise hard to explain and they all had tells about having been up against it as some say.
@mafketis You're lucky, buddy. Majority of Poles think the sun shines straight out of America's dupa. That's why we always get all the blame for 'gifting Poland to Stalin' and other WW2 nonsense resentments.
It's bizarre. I go to the supermarket here, nothing but Polish stuff. I fly back to the UK, go to the supermarket, more Polish stuff, lol. Meanwhile - get this - people like this absolutely silly woman are saying Polish supermarkets are so much better because "there's so much choice" youtu.be/KCmkyqTsx5s?si=VJtnofEhaQInj1Ag < look at the comments btw, more smug "UK is sheet" rubbish.
You literally have vegan kabanosy now at Tesco: tesco.com/groceries/en-GB/products/309189332?srsltid=AfmBOoohNjG_Gd5k3aeQDPENKMPpt_RZUuYK3vT6uPwi0UnLxeb6EDGW
I have to trek halfway across town to a shopping mall for the merest hope of much more than anything catering for 'Polish tastes". Live in some town and Biedronka or Stokrotka are all you get unless you drive for an hour. What a comedian.
Majority of Poles think the sun shines straight out of America's dupa
Not anymore.... attitudes are a lot more reasonable now. And.... I remember an article in Wyborcza about 20 years ago about a sub-genre of disco polo made in the US (after it fizzled out in Poland) where the main subject matter was how terrible life in the US was.... I can't remember any names
Living in another country always involves disruption and alienation.... but you'll get over it.
then that trained some homeless people as English teachers
There were courses for educated unemployed and one of the possibilities was learning to be a language trainer. I employed a guy (I'd actually known before; he was a journalist but had worked for 20 years in the same niche magazine and didn't really have transferable skills when the magazine went bust) who'd done such a course. It was life changing for him. Not a great teacher however sadly for so many it's just a means to an end.
Living in another country always involves disruption and alienation.... but you'll get over it.
Culture shock. It comes and goes.
Poles in the U.K. often suffer from this, in part because they have a hard time with the mindset of those ardours them, especially in industrial regions where most of the jobs are.
Poles in the U.K. often suffer from this, in part because
Also, Poles in the UK are mostly (not all but probably over 51%) from those who were not doing well in Poland in part because of limited educational and social capital.
I remember hearing wild stories about Greenpoint Poles (by a person who'd spent time there) and they said these were country people (a lot from around Suwałki) who would have trouble adjusting to places like Warsaw or Wrocław....
It is funny how the souls of those Brits are so brittle. They had the Empire for a better part of 200 years, and they didn't learn anything. That's why they are sometimes called little Britons, as mentally they remain peasants of old from the little Isles. lol!
Who is owning the Polish stores in the U
Pakis? --
Along with the multiple varieties of kabanosy, kielbasa
No. People used to be able to get sausages from an Irish guy in Mokotów who made them however his neighbours grassed him up to Sanepid out of spite.
Poles in the UK are mostly (not all but probably over 51%) from those who were not doing well in Poland in part because of limited educational and social capital
That's a fair call. Police in some parts of southern Poland said there was a massive drop in crime because so many of the local young Buraki left after 2004.
I was once on the phone (in my home town) and after finishing, a young lady said to me in Polish "Ooh, Pan is a long time in England because Pan is starting to speak with an English accent". When I told her I live in Warsaw she went quiet then whispered "I've heard Warsaw is a very big city".
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