Flat rental in Warsaw

I understamd like the word "FU$K" is used here ?

Could be.

Please don't repeat utter b0llocks that was first written by a Spanish real estate company. As of 1 January 2025 the actual number of Brits living in Poland (i.e. having a valid residency permit of any type) was 7,510. Have a look at table 42 (193) in the GUS Demographic Yearbook 2025.

stat.gov.pl/obszary-tematyczne/roczniki-statystyczne/roczniki-statystyczne/rocznik-demograficzny-2025,3,19.html

Since when is United Nations a Spanish real estate company?


polskiobserwator.uk/coraz-wiecej-brytyjczykow-osiedla-sie-w-polsce-nowe-dane/

So, basically we have a city the size of Toruń or Kielce made up entirely of Brits. 0_0


Yeah, right. Bollox, huge bollox, GUS bollox. *rolls eyes*

Since when has polskiobserwator been a source of UN data? The source of the 184,900 number is Spanish real estate agency 5 Real Estate, as made clear by Polskie Radio. polskieradio.pl/395/7789/artykul/3574359,poland-jumps-into-top-10-destinations-for-uk-migrants-as-numbers-quadruple

But if you want to claim the number is from the UN, give us a link to that number from the UN.


No, the population of neither Torun nor Kielce is anything even close to 7,510.


Yes, it's not as if GUS have access to all the records regarding all residency permits issued to all foreigners broken down by nationality, office at which permit was applied for, type of permit granted, marital status of applicant, etc, etc, etc, is it? Oh, sorry, they do have access to that data and publish it annually for those who prefer actual hard data to guestimates from Spanish real estate agencies.

LOL

Dude, GUS is the last place you want to go for information on demographics, residency etc.. Those idiots said in 2020 that the population of Gdańsk is 486542 and in 2025 that it's 487371. So, they're saying that in the last 5 years the number of people in Gdańsk grew by about 800, whilst in reality we have about 120000 Ukrainians alone (social services estimate that every fourth inhabitant of Gdańsk is Ukrainian), not counting other immigrants and Poles from smaller cities and villages in Pomerania, Masuria and Mazovia who keep settling in Gdańsk in droves.

The system of population evidence in Poland is archaic and wildly inaccurate and you have been living here long enough to know that. It takes an extraordinary idiot to believe in any number given by GUS.

They have hard data, which for some things is very reliable.


Actually they didn't, as the GUS Demographic Yearbook 2020 makes clear.


You do know what the word "estimate" means, don't you? Here's an example of how to use it in a sentence: GUS do not estimate that the number of Brits who have a valid residency permit of any type in Poland is 7,510, GUS know that the number is 7,510 and they can tell you where and when those permits were issued and to whom.
Also, those "social services", do they get more money or less money based on supposedly needing to provide services to more people? So, they have an vested interest in what the number of Ukrainians in Gdansk is taken to be. GUS, on the other hand, don't care whether the number of Brits who have residency permits in Poland is seven, seventy or seven hundred thousand.


It's actually very up-to-date and accurate for Brits: if we don't have our papers in order. we'll be pulled over when trying to leave the Schengen Zone or refused entry to the Schengen Zone. Which is why one can say with a huge degee of confidence that Brits are not a source of demand for tens of thousands of flats/houses in Poland.

f%ckin hell , thats horrible. the more polish info is misleading for poms the better. iI want them ripped off completely. Esp by the polish women.

It was a 2022 Demographic Yearbook, in which they gave data for 2020 - Gdańsk in bottom right corner...




Actually, it's the other way around. They are municipal workers and municipal revenues are often tied to registered residents in a way that punishes higher numbers. From a city's perspective, additional registered residents may increase costs more than revenues, especially if they are immigrants or low-income workers. As a result, cities are institutionally resistant to rapid increases in official population. When you add to this a wildly inaccurate residency registration system you have a recipe for statistical disaster.

All in all, I would rather believe a "Spanish real estate company" (or any other private company for that matter) than GUS when it comes to statistical data.

Unless you really think that influx of war refugees from Ukraine, and huge internal migrations to Gdańsk, resulted in an increase of 800 people in 5 years. In such case I suppose you will believe anything and there's no point arguing with you.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics.

I remember a few years ago when the government in PL published data saying that every man, woman and child in Łomża drank 5 litres of vodka a week. They hadn't distinguished between sales and residency and hasn't taken into account that Łomża had all the supermarkets for many miles around.


Several years ago my street was officially the most expensive street in Poland. Thing is, there's only been one house sale there for years and that was a particularly expensive one.

Exactly.

I would only modify it by adding 'GUS statistics' as the last and ultimate level of statistical bullsh*t.

Interesting how we go from

to

I guess such reading skills would explain why somebody thinks that a Spanish real estate agency publishes data for the UN and that polskiobserwator.uk is a branch of the UN.


That's a clear case of there being insufficient data for any conclusions to be drawn. Sometimes not enough data is drawn, for example the number of Ukrainians who entered Poland and didn't later move elsewhere in the Schengen Zone simply isn't known, so it has to be estimated. But the number of Brits who live in Poland is known, because Brits need a residency permit in order to live in Poland, and the number of permits issued very certainly is known, and published.

BTW, can I ask what the official source you're referring to? Last I heard individual house sale prices weren't public information and no government body publishes any data it has about house sale prices. Unlike, to repeat myself, the number of residency permits which enable Brits to live in Poland, which most certainly is published.

Afaik it comes from estate agents every year. Basically a PR thing.

So, rather than being an official statistic it's just yet more bullshit made up by a real estate agency, just like the number of Brits living in Poland in 2023 being 184,900. Although I suppose at least with the stat you gave there isn't clear and reliable data showing it to be utter bullsh!t, unlike the laughable claim that number of Brits living in Poland in 2023 was 184,900.

It's an annual press release about districts and streets.


Hard to know how anyone arrived at that figure.

Unless it's UK passport holders, many of whom in Poland are Polish, both from the post war diaspora and returnees from the post-2004 migration wave.

It's probably not Poles coming back - the number would most likely be higher then. There were almost 800k Poles in the UK in 2017, and only slightly more than 400k in 2024...

money.pl/gospodarka/polacy-ewakuuja-sie-z-tonacego-okretu-polska-podgryza-wielka-brytanie-opinia-7234210631228384a.html


A United Nations / migration study reported that approximately 184,900 Britons lived in Poland in 2024, up from around 41,000 in 2015, reflecting a significant increase in migration from the UK to Poland in recent years.

polskieradio.pl/395/7789/artykul/3574359%2Cpoland-jumps-into-top-10-destinations-for-uk-migrants-as-numbers-quadruple-%E2%80%94-study?utm_source=chatgpt.com



Hmm... whom would I rather trust: United Nations or GUS wizards?

Worth remembering that only some of those eligible applied for citizenship and of those who did and were able to get it, only some returned.


That number stretches all credibility.

Why? The UK has higher population than Poland and the economy hasn't exactly been great recently. If 800,000 Poles could at some point emigrate to the UK, why can't 185,000 Brits come in the reverse direction?

Well one big reason is they are not able to work in Poland.

Even if they could legally work then they will be unemployable without Polish

As good as any other major European country and no problems getting jobs since there is steady industrial development.

As far as I know there are no stats that suggest a ridiculous number of people have suddenly emigrated to Poland or elsewhere. The number you cite would mean that there are more than half the number of British citizens there are there are legally registered in Spain where there are whole communities that are majority English speaking,

Also there would be issues of work permits as well as a language barrier since those of us who speak Polish well are rare.

Any chance you can actually link to any UN data? Rather than telling us that the UN said so because a Spanish real estate company said the UN said it.


It's clearly utter bollocks. For the claim to be true, one in every 200 people in Poland would need to be a Brit, which is laughable.


Oops. Yet more facts that disprove the claims of the Spanish real estate company.
I'm wondering if there are even 185 Brits in Poland who speak completely fluent Polish. Pretty much all the 'Brits' I've met in Poland who were as comfortably speaking Polish as English were actually Poles (in the eyes of Poland). I can only think of two in all the years I've been here who weren't officially Polish but were completely fluent in Polish.

How much was it sold for?As I do plan to buy one eventually in Poland.Thanks

unf in the next 20 years there will be a lot more. good i reckon. just stay white. we don't need the rubbish from UK. unless they are highly qualified medical specialists.

An astronomical amount, hence it distorting the stats.

And no, Deepak, I'll not give the price so you can trawl online and see the street name.