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Personal Pan-Slavic Manifesto


Bobko  27 | 2142
17 Jan 2024   #31
Ukrainians are Slavic and many ruSSians aren't.

We have 4 times more Slavic people, than there are people living in Ukraine.

There are also a substantial number of non-Slavic people in Ukraine. Mostly the usual suspects, like Azeris, Armenians, Jews, Georgians, and Tatars. However, there are also some more "exotic" flavors, like Greeks, for example. Obviously, what's missing in Ukraine in comparison to Russia are East Asians and Central Asians.

Sort of off-topic, but one thing that surprised me about Ukrainians when I started talking to more of them, is that they really are quite a bit more racist than Russians (who are themselves, not exactly enlightened people). I think the whole "Europeanness" with which they have been recently obsessed, went to their heads a bit. Sometimes, I hear a seemingly educated and normal Ukrainian, spout off something about Azeris, that would really never fly in polite society in Russia. This tells me, it must be more normalized there.

No Eastern European nation does very well in terms of attitudes towards blacks, but Ukraine is definitely the champion when it comes to racism against Africans. I find this very peculiar, since even Africans are smart enough not to emigrate to Ukraine, or even transit through it on the way to gaining refugee status somewhere else. Quite literally, there are many countries in Africa with higher per capita income than in Ukraine. Algeria, Egypt, Botswana, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon - all have a higher gdp per capita (PPP). Yet, any article about something to do with Africa will have the comment section full of monkey gifs.

Recently, on a Ukrainian forum which I visit, one guy was pointing fun at how the "apes" in Thailand were "idiots" for bulldozing luxury cars which were confiscated from criminals and tax dodgers. Others were agreeing with him - "what can you do with these natives...". This really got under my skin... for a lot of reasons - not least because they were seemingly getting angry about a country taking corruption seriously.

I ended up arguing that Thailand has an economy 3X larger than Ukraine's, and that an average Thai earns almost 2X more than an average Ukrainian. They became very sour after this, and started nitpicking about nominal vs ppp numbers (neither really helps their case).

I hope the next time one of them goes to Pattaya again, he won't lord it over the locals as if they were untermenschen.

P.S. - I'm sorry Kania for polluting the thread. I still have to write my Pan Slavic Manifesto.
jon357  73 | 23112
17 Jan 2024   #32
We have 4 times more Slavic people

Finno-Ugrics and types of Turk in disguise...
OP Torq  8 | 955
17 Jan 2024   #33
I still have to write my Pan Slavic Manifesto.

Looking forward to it!
Bobko  27 | 2142
17 Jan 2024   #34
I'm ashamed to admit, I really don't know anything about Slovaks - except that they fought for Hitler during the War.

Are they reasonable people? What should one know about them?
Mr Grunwald  33 | 2133
17 Jan 2024   #35
@Bobko
They are a western slavic speaking group (linguistically). Have been over most of it's history under Hungarian boot (culturally very harshly in the 1800+). It causes them naturally to be suspicious of Hungarians and Poles (Polish-Hungarian brotherhood).

They are basically mountain slavs, used to live by themselves mostly and look at larger events mainly by how to survive the best and lose as little people as possible.

They are a people who do not create any danger to any of their neighbours so they are mostly left in peace (historically).

When I visited Slovakia it was easy to find good vibe and tone with as a Polish speakers. (Was with family), I think of them being more clear headed and with feet on the ground (compared to Poles) yet more rough then Czechs.

I think the main reason Slovaks have No intention or dream of joining Poland on their own is all the years of Austrian, Hungarian and Czechoslovak statehood. Now they want to be left to their own.

Of all the Axis powers hostile to Poland, they did the least damage overall (Hungarians and Italians comparingly were sympathetic to the Polish cause)
Bobko  27 | 2142
19 Jan 2024   #36
They are a western slavic speaking group (linguistically).

Interesting... because after Ukrainian and Belarusian, Slovak is the easiest for me to read and understand.

They are basically mountain slavs

This is an interesting notion. Mountain people, whether they are from the Scottish Highlands, or from the Caucasus, or Central Asia, or Appalachia - all share certain characteristics. I wonder, if the Slovaks have these qualities.

yet more rough then Czechs.

It's not hard to be more rough than the Czechs.
OP Torq  8 | 955
19 Jan 2024   #37
It's not hard to be more rough than the Czechs.

Unless it's the Czech ice hockey team; those guys are pretty rough (even slightly rougher than Slovakia according to the latest IIHF ranking).


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