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Will German Farmers change the EU policy?


Ironside
24 Jan 2024 #1
Farmers in Germany staged large-scale protests across that country, which the mainstream media do not talk much about. They protest against the German government and the EU-backed policies that will eventually render Europe agriculture redundant or reduced.

The irresponsible, harmful, and ideological 'green' policies of the German government do not benefit anyone but some big firms.
German farmers are protesting not only because gov took away some kind of connection for high fuel prices (caused directly by green policies) but also because they are protesting against opening the EU ( and German ) market to grain and agricultural products from Ukraine.

I wish them luck.
As for Poland's connection, Polish farmers support German farmers in their effort to kick some sone into the 'liberal' elite living in the bubble.
Bratwurst Boy
24 Jan 2024 #2
They are supported by two thirds+ of the Germans too (as all polls show), the local population even going so far and offering them sandwiches in between breaks and such....
Mr Grunwald
24 Jan 2024 #3
@Bratwurst Boy
If I got choice between wealthy farmers or wealthier politicians and/or wealthier businessmen.

I think I'll pick farmers every time, seems like a easy choice
Bratwurst Boy
24 Jan 2024 #4
....lotsa work still, even with lotsa machines....
Alien
24 Jan 2024 #5
Will German Farmers change the EU policy?

The truth is that the largest subsidies in the EU go to agriculture. This is not normal, and unsustainable in the long run. To be clear, millions of Euros are paid to farmers just because their land lies fallow. And all this to prevent overproduction.
jon357
24 Jan 2024 #6
This is not normal, and unsustainable in the long run.

Part of the reason for brexit; a disproportionate amount of the CAP funding went to less efficient French, German and Italian farmers while they tried to limit production by more efficient farmers elsewhere to benefit their own.
OP Ironside
24 Jan 2024 #7
This is not normal, and unsustainable in the long run.

It was stupid, to say the least. The EU should protected its internal market from outside agriculture production but should have let farmers compete with each other. The only regulation would be ecological factors, less extensive production, and so on.

Unfortunately, every 'old' country vied for special exemptions and privileges and once it got reduced to bureaucrats in Brussels to distribute money - it was only a question of time before the whole system malfunctioned.

On top of it, they opened an EU market for produce from South America and now from Ukiranie, Brussels is taking farmers and the EU for a ride.

I guess The EU will have to close the shop or be reborn as a completely different entity.
What they are doing now are desperate measures, they try to roll up the carpet.
Starting with Poland and using that gingers traitor as their tool!
Lyzko
24 Jan 2024 #8
German agriculture is particularly susceptible to environmental protection. The EU
realizes that the Federal Republic represents the most powerful economy in Europe,
is therefore most willing to accomodate Germany.
Novichok
24 Jan 2024 #9
The EU should protect its internal market from outside agriculture production

...and its labor market as well as culture from the foreign invaders.

To prioritize climate ahead of agriculture it's like prioritizing funeral expenses over diapers.
jon357
24 Jan 2024 #10
reborn as a completely different entity.

This is more or less a given since the drive among some in Germany towards federalism hasn't been a success and isn't supported by most member states.
Alien
24 Jan 2024 #11
prioritizing funeral expenses over diapers.

Everyone must be given according to their needs.
Bratwurst Boy
25 Jan 2024 #12
is therefore most willing to accomodate Germany.

Hopefully!

The ECONOMIST put the former broke Greeks on top of their economy ranking list...whereas Germany is now far at the bottom with place 27....

We will need to borrow money soon!!!
Alien
25 Jan 2024 #13
list...whereas Germany is now far at the bottom with place 27....

Considering low prices, lack of unemployment and high earnings, I will gladly stay in this 27th place.
Bratwurst Boy
25 Jan 2024 #14
...thing is we are free falling right now, if nothing will be changed, drastically, we will fall far deeper then "only" place 27!

PS: What do you mean with high earnings? People are pissed off because the new Bürgergeld (the official minimum necessary for existence) is sometimes higher than the earnings for hard, regular work!

PPS: What do you mean with low prices? Remember the price shock of a few months back because of the inflation? Now energy prices and gastro prices will rise again...not to mention the steadily rising rents for the inavailable appartements....and so on...
Alien
25 Jan 2024 #15
new Bürgergeld (the official minimum necessary for existence) is sometimes higher than the earnings for hard, regular work!

This is a system error. It should not be the case that those who do not work receive the same as those who work. There are 2 million unfilled jobs in Germany. We have been struggling with a lack of employees for years and we pay up to 100 Euro per hour. If you compare prices in Germany to wages, they are still low.
Bratwurst Boy
25 Jan 2024 #16
This is a system error.

That's the Grundgesetz....

sgb2.info/DE/Themen/Buergergeld/Fragen-und-Antworten-zum-Buergergeld/buergergeld-faq.html
Alien
26 Jan 2024 #17
Grundgesetz

"Die Würde des Menschen ist unantastbar" can also be interpreted differently.
Lyzko
26 Jan 2024 #18
Well, "The dignity of every human being is an inaliable right" pretty much spells it out there, Alien.
Not much wiggle room, I'd say.

If a body, organ or similar authority is in violation of this, action should be taken.
johnny reb
2 Feb 2024 #19
As for Poland's connection, Polish farmers support German farmers in their effort to kick some sone into the 'liberal' elite living in the bubble.

EUROPE ERUPTS IN WIDESPREAD FARMER PROTESTS AS REVOLT AGAINST 'GREEN' POLICIES INTENSIFIES
Quote:
Farmers in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Poland, Belgium, Romania, and other countries across Europe are protesting radical leftist governments by obstructing major transport networks with tractors.

This populist movement is sweeping Europe at a time when over-regulation, taxes, and the climate change agenda threaten the livelihoods of not just farmers but working-class people and comes several months before the European election cycle kicks off in June.


It's all Greta's fault.
jon357
2 Feb 2024 #20
Farmers in France

You're a bit out of date. The French government caved in and the farmers' protests in Paris wound down yesterday.

It's all Greta's fault

I doubt that a bourgeoise juvenile activist determines the policies.
johnny reb
2 Feb 2024 #21
You're a bit out of date.

Gee jon, is one day " a bit out of date' or are you just trolling one of your shame games again.
jon357
2 Feb 2024 #22
is one day " a bit out of date'

Yes it is.
johnny reb
2 Feb 2024 #23
Gee jon, is one day " a bit out of date'

Sorry to have upset you with day old news jon.
I missed that rule in the rule book.
jon357
2 Feb 2024 #24
Sorry to have upset you

You didn't.

with day old news

It's a pretty big topic; and Micron suddenly caving in to farmers who were threatening to starve the capital of food is very big news.

Micron is crazy to cave into their demands however the French like the Germans have a habit of backing down in the face of opposition.
johnny reb
2 Feb 2024 #25
You didn't.

Then I am not sorry

It's a pretty big topic

Thats why I posted the news article
jon357
2 Feb 2024 #26
Everyone in Europe knows already.

Some of us were hoping they'd riot.
johnny reb
2 Feb 2024 #27
Everyone in Europe knows already.

And now they know all the details from my post.
jon357
2 Feb 2024 #28
Not quite as rich in detail as the quick bulletin on the TV news.

Farmers strikes are always fun to watch. Do you have many over there?
johnny reb
2 Feb 2024 #29
Not quite as rich in detail as the quick bulletin on the TV news.

This isn't t.v.
Hell, I don't even know how to post pictures here.

Do you have many over there?

No, all of our food comes from Mexico and China.
Mr Grunwald
3 Feb 2024 #30
Mexico and China

If that's the case, then not only will you continue to hear crickets on this very forum. But you might enjoy them as a meal today!

Enjoy the meal of political victory! Feel the sensation of winning arguments coming to your town today!

Try out the new Mc Cricket! Crick Bar and Ant leg today!


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