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American Special Military Operation in Venezuela


OP Bobko  29 | 2871
2 days ago   #211
When Russia wants to, it can run Delta-style operations.

The invasion of Afghanistan began with a storming of Hafizullah Amin's palace in Kabul, by the KGB's "Alpha" and "Zenit" detachments (rough equivalent of Delta Force and SEAL Team 6).

They defeated 2,200 armed defenders of the palace, and killed Amin - all for a loss of 14 KIA, and 26 wounded. See the screenshot below.

In 1996, Russia killed the leader of separatist Chechnya with an air launched cruise missile that homed in on the signal of Mr. Dudayev's Inmarsat satellite telephone.

There are other examples. Like when Soviet commandos kidnapped the relatives of Hizbollah's leader following the murder of a Soviet diplomat in Beirut. Severed body parts of the relatives were sent to Hizbollah leadership as proof. The remaining Soviet diplomats were immediately released.


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Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12639
2 days ago   #212
Bobko....that was 1979 and 1996!!! And yes, the Wehrmacht was once also widely feared and admired....now the world mocks the Bundeswehr..... its all long gone now!

The Ukraine war is the widely observed benchmark now.....so njet, I doubt he can!

How could Putin truly withstand the seduction of presenting Selensky in Moscow to the awed world press? Of course he would have done it by now, if he only could.
OP Bobko  29 | 2871
2 days ago   #213
and its all long gone now!

Where did it go? Lol.

If anything, Soviet commandos could not dream of the capabilities that modern Russian commando teams possess.

They have access to all the latest Western kit. Up until 2014, they regularly trained with elite Western equivalents.

Technology has advanced by an enormous amount since.

Russia may be poor and backwards - but it will always have the resources to maintain an elite detachment of 500-800 personnel. It could be millions, or even hundreds of millions of dollars that are necessary for their annual maintenance - and this is of course an extravagant luxury for smaller states - but it's still fully feasible for Russia.

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People in the West get confused by the Russian special forces hierarchy - and mix everyone together under one big umbrella of "SPETSNAZ".

The distance from some run of the mill Ministry of Defense Spetsnaz, and the truly elite SSO (Senezh) is like the distance from the Earth to the Moon.

There are tens of thousands of "Spetsnaz" operators in the Russian army, but only a few hundred personnel that can be compared to Delta or SEAL TEAM 6.

If you are curious you can read about them here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Operations_Forces_(Russia)

Only 4 of them died during the entire Syrian operation. In Ukraine, allegedly 29 have been killed.

This is completely different from regular Spetsnaz.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12639
2 days ago   #214
Where did it go? Lol.

Expertise and skill is lost quickly and easily....

The first inkling the interested observer got at the direct beginning....Putin didn't brag for fun "Kiev in three days", he surely meant it and seemingly thought the same of his forces as you do still by now!
OP Bobko  29 | 2871
2 days ago   #215
Putin didn't brag for fun "Kiev in three days"

In fact Putin never uttered the words "Kiev in 3 days".

If you do a lot of Googling, you will see that these words belong to Lukashenko.

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My opinion, is that Putin genuinely did not consider the possibility of abducting a foreign head of state and bringing him to Moscow for trial. America is opening some new frontiers here, and others are studying the experiment.

Putin has a curiously legalistic mindset. He likes for everything to be wrapped up and sealed nicely.

Furthermore, I think Putin calculated that killing Zelensky would backfire on Russia.

Just because America can do it, doesn't mean we are allowed to. The Europeans could have reacted even more strongly had Zelensky been killed - in this way, some appearances were preserved.

Also, making a martyr of Zelensky could backfire - better to allow him to fully hit rock bottom and let the Ukrainians grow fully disappointed with him.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12639
2 days ago   #216
Na ja....I dunno....since yesterday its more like "You can do it - you are allowed to!"

The rest is truly only speculation...We can have no idea what happens really in Putin's mind....I wonder if we later, much later, will ever come to read his memoirs or something, heh:)
OP Bobko  29 | 2871
2 days ago   #217
since yesterday its more like "You can do it - you are allowed to!"

Yep... pretty much. Law of the jungle.
cms neuf  3 | 2271
2 days ago   #218
I am enjoying the tight spot that Orban is in. The rest of the EU released a message as bland and inoffensive as a bulka z serem, asking for restraint in Venezuela by all parties (including presumably those who might want to defend their own soil), but Hungary refused to sign.
Korvinus  9 | 845
2 days ago   #219
in. The rest of the EU released a message as bland and inoffensive as a bulka z serem

Leftards are screeching because they are effeminate weaklings who would object against ANY kind of flexing or exercise of power or violence. Like Yockey said in Imperium, liberalism is basically weakness. Lefists want every day to be a birthday, every moment a party. They want everybody to just hold hands and sing kumbaya but that's not how it works in the real world.
jon357  75 | 25012
2 days ago   #220
I am enjoying the tight spot that Orban is in

It's a check mate. He can't move either way. Plus he knows he'll lose this year's election.

object against ANY kind of flexing or exercise of power or violence

Objecting to violence is a positive thing.
Barney  19 | 1880
2 days ago   #221
liberalism is basically weakness

Hitler thought that until the Soviet Union destroyed the third reich. The wests favourite racists in South African thought the same until Cuba destroyed their army in Angola.

The reason people are angry is Pandora's box has been opened.

Now that the US no longer believes in the rule of law, the only plus is that we shouldn't have any more movies about how sad they are having to invade other countries.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12639
2 days ago   #222
Super interesting:You get Venezuela - we get Ukraine (2022)

...At the same time, a statement from the past has now gained new significance. It was made by Fiona Hill, a former special advisor to Donald Trump and a renowned expert on Russia, during a 2019 hearing in the US House of Representatives. Hill stated that Russia had offered the US government, through informal channels, to cease its activities in Venezuela and its support for the Venezuelan leader Maduro, provided the US, in return, gave Moscow free rein in its own sphere of influence. In other words: You get Venezuela, we get Ukraine. This occurred years before Russia's invasion of the neighboring country 2022....

tagesspiegel.de/internationales/venezuela-fur-trump-ukraine-fur-putin-jetzt-bekommt-eine-aussage-aus-dem-jahr-2019-neue-brisanz-15103605.html

...At the time, the Trump administration was not in favor of it and rejected the proposal. "I received a special order from the National Security Council, in consultation with the State Department, to cancel the Russian meeting," Hill said at the time....

...imagine that would be the truth behind....what that could mean for Ukraine!
cms neuf  3 | 2271
2 days ago   #223
They want everybody to just hold hands and sing kumbaya but that's not how it works in the real world.

It was working like that in the real world until Golden Cow and Putler spoiled it

I think objecting to all colonialism and all illegal invasion is a clear moral stance - nothing wishy washy about it
Novichok  7 | 11059
2 days ago   #224
clear moral stance

Go to the Vatican and see Pope if you want "moral"...

Outside, it's the big fist that rules the day...Our fist is bigger than yours, so STFU...nobody is asking for your opinion.
cms neuf  3 | 2271
2 days ago   #225
nobody is asking for your opinion.

Whereas the whole world is waiting for the opinions of a retired trans curious machinist from the Shitsville Speedometer Corporation
Poloniusz  5 | 1010
1 day ago   #226
Why is the Kiev gov complex still standing? Why are Z and his generals still alive?

There are a few possibilities.

Despite the early push into Kiev, Russia never took the city. That suggests a deliberate choice to focus on the Russian-speaking, resource-heavy regions in the east that actually matter strategically, rather than wasting effort on symbolic targets.

Another angle is that, while Ukraine has landed some blows, Russia may have people embedded throughout the Ukrainian state. If you've got insiders doing useful work, there's no upside in flattening buildings or removing figures that help keep those networks intact.

Then there's the humiliation factor. Leaving Mr. Green and his circle of cronies in place allows Russia to frame the outcome later. These same "leaders" clung onto power while the country was carved up. That kind of defeat writes itself into the history books.
mafketis  43 | 11839
1 day ago   #227
That suggests a deliberate choice

To fail? Interesting choice.....

allows Russia to frame the outcome later

For who? For those dumb enough to take russian narratives seriously?
Tlum  13 | 422
1 day ago   #228
Outside, it's the big fist that rules the day...Our fist is bigger than yours, so STFU...nobody is asking for your opinion.

JUDGE: You raped a 7 year old girl!

Novi: My fist is bigger than hers, so STFU!
jon357  75 | 25012
1 day ago   #229
To fail? Interesting choice.....

Especially as they tried so hard and lost a lot of orcs and equipment doing it.

ssia may have people embedded throughout the Ukrainian state

And vice versa...
Joker  2 | 2619
1 day ago   #230
Outside, it's the big fist that rules the day...Our fist is bigger than yours, so STFU...nobody is asking for your opinion.

Boy, did all the armchair generals jump over from the Russia thread to this one... Its the same worthless crap just duplicated now.

Not one of their crystal ball predictions have ever been correct, clown world.

Hey, Admin could you clean this mess up and keep it about the topic of the thread? They have an entire thread dedicated to Putan and Russia... Thank you.
Novichok  7 | 11059
1 day ago   #231
There are a few possibilities.

What you posted is reasonable.

My problem is with the numbers. Once a country like Russia or the US goes to war for any reason, it should do everything possible to win it quickly by almost any means.

See Israel in 1967 and 1973.

Protracted wars lose support fast...See Vietnam. They didn't win. We lost...I remember those off-limits, idiotic rules...

Now Russia is doing the same thing.
Joker  2 | 2619
1 day ago   #232
I wonder how Madiro is spending his first entire night in a cold NYC jail cell.....


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Novichok  7 | 11059
1 day ago   #233
I wonder how Madiro is spending his first entire night in a cold NYC jail cell.....

He is wondering if a Venezuelan Special Forces team would come to liberate him or kill him...and save the US millions...
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12639
1 day ago   #234
I just read Maduro's bodyguards had been all Cubans, no V-people.....generally was Cuba seemingly propping him and his regime up!

Cuban Deaths in U.S. Venezuela Strikes Confirm Ties Between Countries

The Maduro regime was long propped up by Cuba's armed forces and intelligence agencies. Many Cubans were reported killed in the American military action.

nytimes.com/2026/01/05/world/americas/venezuela-cuba-us-strikes.html

....one could call that "occupation" if the regime is only kept in power with the help of a foreign army!

Now said regime leader was removed with the help of a foreign special unit....oh the irony....
OP Bobko  29 | 2871
1 day ago   #235
one could call that "occupation" if the regime is only kept in power with the help of a foreign army!

The UAE and Saudi Arabia lean almost entirely on Sudanese manpower.

It works well for both sides, because the Sudanese (who are in it for the money):

1) Are willing and able to absorb massive casualties

2) Have extensive mountain and desert fighting experience

3) Are politically disposable

When will the West come for the Saudis and Emiratis? Oh that's right, never... Because they own your companies, your football teams, your airports and ports, and so on.

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The Cubans are in demand because they are experts at surveillance and they are quite educated - so they supply many doctors and engineers.
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12639
1 day ago   #236
When will the West come for the Saudis and Emiratis? Oh that's right, never

Whataboutism, Bobko? ;)

But more interesting.....even CNN now poses the question what will happen with Cuba now, that the regular flow of billions of support money, Cuba depends on, will stop....

edition.cnn.com/2026/01/04/americas/cuba-uncertain-future-after-venezuela-strike

Might it lead to another regime change? Totally without some Delta units operation?
jon357  75 | 25012
1 day ago   #237
When will the West come for the Saudis and Emiratis?

Why would we?
cms neuf  3 | 2271
1 day ago   #238
When will the West come for the Saudis and Emiratis? Oh that's right, never... Because they own your companies, your football teams, your airports and ports, and so on.

But they don't threaten us with nukes like North Nigeria and they don't tell us we are degenerate losers, like the US has (bizarrely) started doing

What we need to do with all of these douchebags is use less oil and be less reliant on their tech. Oh, and develop our own nukes. That won't happen overnight but it's sure in motion.
Joker  2 | 2619
18 hrs ago   #239
. Oh, and develop our own nukes. That won't happen overnight but it's sure in motion.

So Europe wants its own nukes now? Because the last thing the world needs is more escalation from a continent that already managed to stumble into two world wars. Maybe proving you can maintain stability with your neighbors would be a better first step than rumbling off at the mouth again.

Might it lead to another regime change?

Another commie regime will bite the dust within a few months:)

And the Eurps are like weak pu$$ies when it comes to defending against Putin/Russia! Hahahahahaha


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jon357  75 | 25012
18 hrs ago   #240
So Europe wants its own nukes now?

Three European countries have nukes and have had them for a long time.

The science and techńology behind them is European.


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