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cms neuf  3 | 2285
1 day ago   #331
Yeah - I don't think there are many options these days for the deposed - Honecker was in Chile, Idi Amin in Saudi and Kaiser Wilhelm in Netherlands. Used to be quite a collection of African tyrants in the posh suburbs of Paris.

I'm wondering what Trump is going to do after retirement.
OP Bobko  29 | 2896
1 day ago   #332
Honecker was in Chile, Idi Amin in Saudi and Kaiser Wilhelm in Netherlands

It really amazes me how you can become leader of a country, carrying the hopes and dreams of millions of people on your shoulders - and then abandon them all with a planeload of cash - because you are worried for your ass.

Maybe I am naive to imagine that these individuals are anything but normal human beings... but it's still depressing.

Hate him as much as you want - but Stalin, for example, was made of different material. He hung up on the Germans when they offered to trade his son for Field-marshal Paulus, telling them: "I will not trade a marshal for a lieutenant." How many world leaders today would allow their eldest son to die in captivity?

Navalny also - soon as he woke up from his coma - demanded to be sent back to Russia. Respect to him for that.
AntV  4 | 811
1 day ago   #333
but on the other hand it doesn't look good for Putin's global plans...

You think Putin truly has global plans...like he's planning to resurrect the soviet empire?
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12657
23 hrs ago   #334
You think Putin truly has global plans...like he's planning to resurrect the soviet empire?

....na ja...."global" might be abit to much in that regard....but wanting to regain its old european "sphere of influence" definitely!
AntV  4 | 811
23 hrs ago   #335
@Bratwurst Boy

So you think he actually wants to directlybgontow-to-toe with NATO?

I don't see that. I think it's more he doesn't want a bigger NATO that touches his border. Now, he obviously miscalculated and has gotten that with Sweden and Finland, which furthers his resolve to ensure Ukraine is NATO free.

But, maybe I'm a retard. 😀
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12657
23 hrs ago   #336
But, maybe I'm a retard.

Not more than I am one, heh:)

Thing is Putin is a trained secret agent, he made a career in foreign espionage (focus Germany)....his take on things is so much different from yours or mine or Trumps...he sees things differently, plans and acts differently....

My personal take on him is that he never, ever got over the end of the Sovietunion. You don't become an officer in the KGB accidentally...you believe in that whole thing with heart and soul. He never made his peace with the Russia that came afterwards.

IMHO "bad NATO" is as much as a lie as was "them Nazis in Kiev".....yes, he wants the old borders back and with that a strong central government where opposition is hardly possible...as in the good 'ol times!
Paulina  19 | 4891
22 hrs ago   #337
Turns out MAGAts aren't as greedy as we might think - those modest, humble people don't want to take over the whole world like some villains from a Bond movie... No, they just want one hemisphere of our planet for themselves! lol 🌎

This is a post published two days ago on the Facebook profile of the United States Department of State + some comments from Facebook and Instagram:


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Ironside  53 | 13954
22 hrs ago   #338
No, they just want one hemisphere of our planet for themselves!

Again, it's nothing new.
Is it possible you hold some delusional perceptions of the U.S.?
Novichok  7 | 11106
20 hrs ago   #339
IMHO "bad NATO"

NATO is as bad to Russia as the Warsaw Pact was to the US.

Adjusting for distance, 100x worse. See Cuba in 1962.
Novichok  7 | 11106
20 hrs ago   #340
Again, it's nothing new.

...but a deeply held secret, aka the Monroe Doctrine...

Is it possible you hold some delusional perceptions of the U.S.?

She gets them from an 8th-grade textbook...."How Life Should Be".

The main reason why I love the new sheriff is that he relieved me of arguing what's in the Book of Fairness, or any other such document, the US Constitution included...

There is only one rule: Shoot and, if it's good for you, apologize later...but you don't really have to...That's why Trump and Putin are so friendly.

Man, it feels good to be an American...

Memo to Maduro: You should have kept your stupid mouth shut and taken the deal T offered to you, you stupid moron...
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12657
20 hrs ago   #341
It looks the democratic transition has already begun...

Venezuela will release a "significant number" of Venezuelans and foreigners imprisoned in the country, said Jorge Rodríguez, president of the Venezuelan National Assembly, on Thursday.
...
The releases, a repeated demand of the country's opposition, are a gesture of peace, Rodríguez said....

berliner-zeitung.de/news/venezuelas-regierung-kuendigt-freilassung-vieler-haeftlinge-an-li.10013287
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12657
20 hrs ago   #342
About that tanker....the first details are in:

Moscow/Washington - New, shocking details have emerged in the case of the tanker "Marinera" (formerly "Bella 1" until December 23, 2025), seized by the US in the North Atlantic. It appears that the ship had been operating for four years, financing terrorists worldwide on behalf of Iran - and has long been owned by a Russian national in Moscow....

bild.de/politik/ausland-und-internationales/usa-beschlagnahmen-marinera-terror-tanker-gehoert-russen-unternehmer-695fb59a4d1d5f581eeaff2c

x.com/TankerTrackers/status/2009207143552168372?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E2009207143552168372%7Ctwgr%5Eb63c5d26c61fa2683824814424c08015c0839848%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbild.de%2Fpolitik%2Fausland-und-internationales%2Fusa-beschlagnahmen-marinera-terror-tanker-gehoert-russen-unternehmer-695fb59a4d1d5f581eeaff2c

"Terror-Tanker"!
Novichok  7 | 11106
20 hrs ago   #343
It's simple...

A terrorist's underwear is a tool of terrorism. We can take it and burn it.

In Europe, rapists are just misguided young men who didn't know our rules...cultural differences...they will learn, so let's show some compassion...

Vs a bullet in the head to keep things simple...Next...
AntV  4 | 811
19 hrs ago   #344
..he sees things differently, plans and acts differently....

Agreed. But, do you think he has some legitimate concerns? I mean, do you Russian military installments camped on the German border? One of the problems I've had with the western response is a complete dismissal of Russian concerns.

I may disdain Putin, but that doesn't mean Russian concerns are illegit. Agree? 😬
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12657
19 hrs ago   #345
I may disdain Putin, but that doesn't mean Russian concerns are illegit. Agree?

Thing is....which concerns should that be? Ukraine even gave up its nukes (leftovers from the Russians)....there even was a treaty, that "Budapest Memorandum", Russia subscribed to in 1994.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

Then in 2014 Russia annexed Crimea...next was the Donbas...then 2022 the full scale invasion...all done with no ukrainian nukes and no NATO soldier in sight....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_war

IMHO there will probably be an super armed Ukraine with the support of foreign troops on its soil, at the border of Russia, but as a consequence of Putins actions and NOT the cause of it!
Novichok  7 | 11106
19 hrs ago   #346
Then in 2014, Russia annexed Crimea...next was the Donbas..

...because from a friendly and neutral country, Ukraine went full anti-Russian, with a promise to bring NATO even closer to Russia...

The US wouldn't tolerate this crap for a minute if the roles were reversed...

Russia didn't "anex", invade, or occupy Crimea. Crimea had a separation referendum. With that behind, Crimea asked to join the Russian Federation. Check. Done...

Anex implies violence. Nobody died. No violence. More people die in Chicago in a week...
Bratwurst Boy  9 | 12657
19 hrs ago   #347
...because from a friendly and neutral country, Ukraine went full anti-Russian, with a promise to bring NATO even closer to Russia...

What promise! For that Ukraine would need to be a NATO member state...

But now, they might become one!

Have to leave now...till tomorrow *waves*
Alien  30 | 7661
17 hrs ago   #348
separation referendum. With that behind, Crimea asked to join the Russian Federation. Check.

No one in their right mind would do that.
Novichok  7 | 11106
17 hrs ago   #349
What promise! For that Ukraine would need to be a NATO member state...

A promise to the citizens of Ukraine to join NATO.

Russia said no, just as the US said no to the Soviet military equipment in Cuba in 1962.

No one in their right mind would do that.

Russians in Crimea wanting to join Russia...shocking...isn't it...
Korvinus  9 | 849
17 hrs ago   #350
..because from a friendly and neutral country, Ukraine went full anti-Russian, with a promise to bring NATO even closer to Russia...

If all Russia wanted to do was stop Ukraine from possessing certain weapons systems, things would have turned out extremely differently because there are infinite diplomatic and geopolitical measures Russia could have stopped a Ukraine in NATO from having weapons sytems it didn't want it to have. Just rerun the Cuban Missile Crisis playbook, there are a lot places on planet Earth where America is vulnerable and those places are more directly pertinent to American strategic interests than Ukraine.

The war didn't start inm 2014 because Ukraine was about to join NATO (which was and still is some distant hypothetical foreign policy football that gets kicked back and forth for decades, like Turkey joining the E.U.) but because Ukraine had ousted pro-Russian president and was trying to begin steps to join the E.U. The issue was, Russia had enough money to make Ukrainian politicians and oligarchs rich, but not enough money to bring the same kind of prosperity to Ukraine that the Czechs and the Poles have gained since joining the E.U. If that happened, any diplomatic or geopolitical means of reuniting Ukraine with Russia in any greater economic, military, or political union would have been killed stone dead more or less indefinitely. Putin perceived this loss of political/economic/military partnership as a major longterm blow to Russia's post-Cold War recovery propects, so here we are.
OP Bobko  29 | 2896
16 hrs ago   #351
but because Ukraine had ousted pro-Russian president

How do you deal with such people?

These Papuans, with their cargo cult of Westernism, decided that what makes you "civilized" is the ability to do whatever you want - whenever you want.

They sorta skipped the part where in long established Western democracies people grit their teeth and bear the results until the next election - and then effect the desired change through the ballot box.

They instead began to pray at the altar of the perpetual Maidan.

That's fine if you live in a spherical vacuum and your choices don't affect anyone but yourself.

But you can't take $15B from Russia, and sign a naval base lease agreement - then turn around and change your mind and abrogate it the next day like a three year old child. These sort of decisions will have consequences - consequences you should have thought about beforehand.

When your economy is destroyed, your power plants leveled, and half your population gone - it's too late to moan about - "we didn't think the Russians would go so far". That's your mistake for thinking we were "done", and you can simply ignore us.

Aboriginals - with no business having a state of their own.
Korvinus  9 | 849
15 hrs ago   #352
These sort of decisions will have consequences - consequences you should have thought about beforehand.

Yes, the invasion of Ukraine was primarily about one thing

Putin wants to recreate the previous borders and alliances that existed when the USSR was a reality. And he has limited options because he cant change the reality of East European countries that are part of the EU, that ship has sailed decades ago.

So that leaves Ukraine and other states. The invasion of Ukraine obviously had nothing to do with Nukes, NATO or Nazi but rather Russia's aspirations of extending the borders of the " Russian empire ".

And why does he want to do that? Because his own political survival within Russian as an autocracy is more likely when other former Soviet are also autocracies and are aligned with Russian nationalism.

But Putin cant give any former Soviet state a choice, he cant allow citizens to decide for themselves through free and fair elections so the concept of sovereignty to him is anathema.

So his objectives are always the same. Interference in elections, support other autocracies like Belarus or invade countries that arent already aligned with the West\EU and then recreate borders that suit Russia.

Thats the only way he can guarantee the nebulous geographical concept of the "Russian empire ".
Novichok  7 | 11106
11 hrs ago   #353
Yes, the invasion of Ukraine was primarily about one thing

NO NATO in Ukraine!!!...said Putin...


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