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Unfulfilled promises by PiS


GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #391
@Tacitus

"Ring exchange"? You have some nerve to even mention this scam! Poland sending hundreds of tanks, artillery, and rocket launchers had nothing to do with that.

As to the rest of your post, we all remember the initial German reaction and initial German help (what was it? 5000 helmets?). If Poland had reacted in the same way, Russian victory would have been swift and decisive.

Meanwhile, while Poland takes in millions of refugees and practically acts as a deep strategic hinterland for Ukraine, Germany is using its influence on the EU to withold Polish reconstruction plan funds. Basically, you are backstabbing us when we aid Ukraine beyond our strength and resources.
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #392
Germany is using its influence on the EU to withold Polish reconstruction plan funds.

BS. This is the approach of all countries of the EU except Hungary. Germany is only one of them.

you are backstabbing us

BS. This is pure education. Thank you, the EU, for teaching PiS proper lessons how to protect democracy in Poland - without that education, PiS would do what they want. Sorry, I don`t want to live in a ritist dictatorship.

Down with PiS!!!
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #393
when we aid Ukraine beyond our strength and resources.

So far, most part of the aid that has been provided to Ukraine comes from private assets and local communities like samorządy. The PiS gov didn `t contribute much.

That is why, as a private person who spends my assets on helping Ukraine and as a member of our local community which also offers extensive aid, I completely support the EU when it is teaching the PiS rulers how to protect democracy in Poland.

Now getting the EU funds depends solely on PiS` single decision to comply with basic requirements. They refuse to coz they can`t give up messing with the independence of the judiciary.

It is their decision - don`t blame the EU which is doing what is has to do. Zero tolerance for rightist thieves of democracy.

We do not need a second Orban regime (which PiS shamefully supported) in the EU.

Exactly. Thanks, EU. Thanks, Germany. Without you, Poland would be second Hungary already.
Or it wouldn`t coz decent Poles like me and millions of others won`t let rightists do what they want.
GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #394
Doesn't seem that we all remember it correctly

Typical! :) Soon we will learn that it was Poland who built Nord Stream together with Russians, that it was Polish prime ministers not German chancellors who went straight on Russian payroll after retiring and that it was indeed Germany who started all the help for Ukraine right away, whilst Polish ministers were against aiding Ukrainians and said they would fall within days. Feckin' typical :):):)

Luckily, Ukrainians have a better memory than that :) That's why they, among other things, refused to welcome the German president in Kiev in March...

aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/ukraine-turns-down-german-president-s-request-to-visit-kyiv/2561992

euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/ukraine-refuses-to-welcome-german-president-over-his-ties-to-russia/

... bloody internet - it remembers everything :) It would be so much easier for all the Tacituses and Pawians of this earth if all the internet archives disappeared after two weeks or so. :)

Right, guys - continue to post nonsense whilst Poland is busy helping Ukraine with one hand and taking out the knife from her back with the other.
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #395
that it was Polish prime ministers not German chancellors who went straight on Russian payroll

What about PiS who allowed the massive import of Russian coal?? After the capture of Crimea in 2014, PO cut down on the import which amounted to 5 million tons yearly. It rose dramatically when PIS got power in 2015 and in 2018 the amount of Russian coal was 13 million!!!

And it wasn`t PiS politicians who started the construction of LNG port in Świnoujście, it was PO`s decision.

Tacituses and Pawians

I remember communist propaganda used to slur the democratic opposition in plural - Michniki, Kuronie, Blumsztajny. It was one of their fave new speech linguistic accessories. It is so amassing that you are resorting to their dirty tricks today. :):):) After all, PiS is closest to communists when it comes to the style of ruling the country.
Tacitus 2 | 1,388
1 Jan 2023 #396
it remembers everything :

Which I am grateful for, because everything I wrote can be backe up by the relevant sources.

That Germany offered non-lethal aid to Ukraine before the Russian invasion in February.

cnbc.com/2022/01/27/germanys-offer-to-send-5000-helmets-to-ukraine-provokes-outrage.html

That Germany started to send lethal aid shortly after the invasion started.

politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-russia-germany-still-blocking-arms-supplies/

And I also provided you with an overview of the Ring exchange programe.

Sorry facts are facts.

Ukrainians have a good memory

And to their credit, they are willing to reconsider their opinions if the facts have changed (something you could learn from). Hence their decision to welcome Steinmeier in Octobre while German Iris-T rockets and Gepards were defending the Ukrainian sky.
GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #397
It rose dramatically when PIS got power in 2015

It had to - PO government closed so many coal mines that the lack of coal had to be suplemented with more imports.

And it wasn`t PiS politicians who started the construction of LNG port in Świnoujście, it was PO`s decision.

Bullsh*t - the bill to build the LNG terminal was passed by Jarosław Kaczyński's government on 3rd January 2006. Then Polskie LNG company was established on 29th March 2007, and also in 2007 the final plans of the terminal were prepared. Only then on 19th August 2008, the back-then prime minister Donald Tusk accepted the plan. After that the building works stalled completely during PO's reign. It would still be unfinished if it wasn't for PiS.

Sorry facts are facts.

Excuse me, were you saying something? I'm sorry, please forgive me but I didn't quite catch that - I was too busy taking out the knife from my back.

*stretching his hand to take out the knife from his back... aaaaaah the pain!*
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #398
the lack of coal had to be suplemented with more imports.

Especially from Russia which had just captured Crimea. Very wise and patriotic, indeed. :)

passed by Jarosław Kaczyński's government on 3rd January 2006.

Oh, yes, indeed, I didn`t know about it. :):) I will say sorry when you say sorry for the lies below: :):)

After that the building works stalled completely during PO's reign.

Not true. The construction was finished in 2015 - the last year of PO`s rule. Ha!
GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #399
@pawian

OK, so were both a bit imprecise with the dates, these things happen in internet discussions. :):)

In any case, after PiS wins the elections again in Autumn certain policies will have to be introduced regarding backstabbers both domestic and foreign, he he :)
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #400
PiS wins the elections again

While when PO and allies win, all PiS losers who contributed to the waste of billions, breached the Constitution or simply robbed the state`s assets will be taken to independent courts. hi hi. That is why PiS has already started changing the election rules coz they are so afraid of losing and going to prison.

certain policies will have to be introduced regarding backstabbers both domestic and foreign, he he :)

Are you thinking of communist style re-educational concentration camps for the opposition?? :)

After all, PiS is closest to communists when it comes to the style of ruling the country.

Exactly.
GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #401
will be taken to independent courts (...) and going to prison

That would be the first time ever! No politician in Poland - no matter leftist, rightist or centrist - has ever ended up in jail, despite all the scandals and waste since 1989. As they say, kurwa kurwie łba nie urwie.
jon357 74 | 22,679
1 Jan 2023 #402
taken to independent courts

That will be good. I doubt they'll mess around next time.
Tacitus 2 | 1,388
1 Jan 2023 #403
@GefreiterKania

If you want to treat a knife wound and prevent another, should know from which direction it came. Poland got hurt by PiS from the inside, and sadly they are still in a position to stab you once more. The EU is there trying to prevent the worst, but only the Polish people can stop PiS. You have the chance next election.

Just goes to show how powerful PiS propaganda is though. Distortion of facts, mixed with historical enmity and a victim complex. Frightingly powerful stuff. It even affects people who have access to non-poisened information in other languages.
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #404
but only the Polish people can stop PiS. You have the chance next election.

Yes, that is the problem. Too many homo sovieticus citizens still expect the state will provide them with everything - high salaries, high and early pensions, free housing, free everything. That is why they vote for PiS which is extremely leftist in its economic agenda. Unfortunately, PiS leftism is slowly leading to a disaster.

Just goes to show how powerful PiS propaganda is though

They took best examples from masters of foul propaganda - current Russians or communists in the past.
GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #405
historical enmity

You can't accuse me of enmity towards Germany. Actually, Germany is my second favourite country in the world (after the US) - not counting Poland of course. :) It's not my fault that Germany would rather see Poland as a totally subjugated EU province and not a strong independent country, so that puts our governments at enmity to certain extent (we are nonetheless still NATO allies and cooperate closely in economy).

a victim complex.

Oh, so you're a psychologist as well! There is a good word to describe you (and your friend Pawian for that matter) and, surprise surprise, it's a German word. :) You are a besserwisser. Don't worry - worse things happen to people. Only don't be surprised that Poles do not enjoy when German besserwissers teach them about democracy, freedom or whatnot. Go lecture the Czechs, they might listen (maybe). :)
Tacitus 2 | 1,388
1 Jan 2023 #406
It's not my fault

It is your fault if choose to believe that conspiracy theory despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Poland is getting punished for the indefensible actions of the PiS government. They are so indefensible that PiS has to resort to this sort of conspiracy theory, because everybody knows that trying to controle the judiacary in the way PiS wants is a bad idea.

Some facts. The EU Commission acted because PiS has violated European laws. Leading figures within the comission on this subject are Vĕra Jourová (from the Czech Republic) and Didier Reynders (from Belgium).

euronews.com/my-europe/2022/07/13/poland-hungary-in-european-commissions-rule-of-law-spotlight-again

The EU Comission acting within a mandate from the member states. Nobody is siding with Poland on this. Except Orban, but that is telling in itself. Not the Baltics or other otherwise close allies. This is not about Poland vs Germany but PiS and Orban against the democracies of Europe.

enjoy when German besserwissers teach them about democracy

It would be fine if Poland under PiS were just refusing to listen to Berlin, but as pointed out, they are also refusing to listen to reason from all the other countries. The EU will continue to look after Poland, and Berlin should do everything it can that this succeeds. We have a special responsibility for Poland's future due to our past, and ensuring that it becomes a mature democracy should be part of this. Besides, a second Orban regime would be horrible for us too.

lecture the Czechs

The Czechs seem to be doing just fine, they have no government with autocratic tendencies as far as I know.
GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #407
@Tacitus

I'm sorry, I can't answer your post above. The acute pain in my back, coming from the backstabbing wound from a German knife, prevents me from being able to read it.

I still love Germany and trust that the past dreams of controlling Poland are now buried in the distant past.

Now, forgive me - I have to lay myself down and rest. Try not to brutally backstab me while I do that. Thank you.
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #408
The EU will continue to look after Poland

Thank God.
I will say a prayer for the EU and Germany: Mutter unser, who are in Heaven, be deine Name hallowed ...... etc and you know the rest.

The Czechs have no government with autocratic tendencies

Neither before the war nor after communism collapsed, while Poland was semi-autocratic before the war and now displays autocratic tendencies, too.
I sometimes envy Czechs that they have always been more European than Poles.

The EU, please, don`t stop teaching PiS the values that democracy depends on. The education from decent Poles like me isn`t enough.

Poles do not enjoy when German besserwissers teach them about democracy,

The problem is that against rightist futile expectations, Polish attitudes to Germany are getting better and better every year. Younger generations don`t understand your phobias at all.
GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #409
decent Poles like me

:D

*remembers about his New Year's resolution and decides not to comment*

Polish attitudes to Germany are getting better and better every year.

Not better than mine - I'm a regular Germanophile. However, being a friend of a neighbouring country (like I'm a friend and admirer of Germany) doesn't mean bending over and spreading ones buttocks before them.
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #410
I'm a regular Germanophile.

Like you are a Russophile.
What and who else are you a ~phile for??? :):):)

New Year's resolution and decides not to comment*

I am also withholding my personal opinion on you. Resolution is resolution. :):):)
GefreiterKania 31 | 1,326
1 Jan 2023 #411
Like you are a Russophile

Exactly! "Love your enemies", as Our Lord Jesus Christ said. That's just the kind of people we, decent Poles, are. :)

Come to think of it, I like and respect most countries, but Poland is always first in my heart. Decency, magnanimity, integrity and common sense - that's my way in life.

*OK, off to catch some z's*
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Jan 2023 #412
but Poland is always first in my heart.

Like in mine. Only our methods differ. Yours are wrong while mine are correct. hahahaha :):):):)
Cargo pants 3 | 1,490
1 Jan 2023 #413
"Love your enemies",

One reason I always like to put them out of there misery:))
amiga500 4 | 1,511
2 Jan 2023 #414
Poor tacticus it seems he still believes in fairy tales that germany is not doing the minimum and secretly wants Russia to win, or at least a ceacefire/treaty asap so they can go back to suc*ing each other off.

If PiS had not been in power.
No baltic pipe so more dependence on russian gas
no increase in military spending so less supplies to send to ukraine
no visit by V3 to Ukraine, which the EU dismissed by saying it was unaproved visit.
basically Poland would be germanys lackey and just do all they could to delay and obstruct, and ruin our relationship with the USA>
jon357 74 | 22,679
2 Jan 2023 #415
tales that germany is not doing the minimum

That's not quite true. Germany are doing less than the minimum.

a ceacefire/treaty asap so they can go back to suc*ing each other off.

There are still deluded people there who believe that gas supply will resume and that trade links will resume.

They won't of course.

Poland should take care to block any sort of 'EU war crimes tribunal' in case they try to drop cases. The war crimes trials need to be done internationally and not homeschooled by the EU who have no legitimate role in such matters.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,918
2 Jan 2023 #416
The war crimes trials need to be done internationally

Huh? The EU is not "internationally"???
jon357 74 | 22,679
2 Jan 2023 #417
No, it is more regional, and doesn't even represent all of Europe.

The Nuremberg Trials were conducted by the UK and the US. From different continents. The danger with an EU one is (apart from the fact that it exceeds the EU's remit) is that there are member states (Hungary and France are two; you may be able to think of others) who would wish to restart trading relations with r*SSia.

Fortunately, Poland (and each of the Baltics) have vetoes and of course no decision can ethically be made without Ukraine's say so.
Bratwurst Boy 9 | 11,918
2 Jan 2023 #418
Well.....true too.....sadly and pathetically so....
jon357 74 | 22,679
2 Jan 2023 #419
The whole situation is an unpleasant one; as war crimes trials are by their very nature. I've half a feeling that PiS will obstruct anythiung that may potentially favour r*SSia but also worry about potential sympathisers.

Poland's role on the global stage only seems to be growing though. I hope PiS use that wisely and don't mess it up.
OP pawian 224 | 24,473
1 Feb 2023 #420
PiS promising to put end to such practices. Not only didn`t they end them but they even increased intensity of sucking the budget like leeches.

The latest scandal with PiS draining state public assets.

Journalists of tvn24.pl described how money from the fund of the Minister of Education, Przemysław Czarnek, went to organizations close to Law and Justice. Multi-million subsidies were allocated for the purchase of new premises. Houses in Warsaw's Mokotów and Ursynów districts, an apartment in a historic tenement house and a plot with two ponds, its own forest and a "beekeeper's house" are just some of the 12 properties that Czarnek financed with public money.

One of the beneficiaries of the program is the Polska Wielki Projekt Foundation, founded, among others, by Zdzisław Krasnodębski, PiS MEP. According to the application to the Ministry of National Education and Science, its "programming council" includes, among others: Deputy Prime Minister Piotr Gliński , PiS MEPs Zdzisław Krasnodębski and Ryszard Legutko, director of the Government Information Center Tomasz Matynia, publicist Bronisław Wildstein, advisor to the president Andrzej Zybertowicz, former head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Jacek Czaputowicz and husband of the President of the Constitutional Tribunal Andrzej Przyłębski.


After 5 years, the properties can be sold. And they will be sold by PiS owners for millions, to finance their next election campaigns. Very clever!

notesfrompoland.com/2023/01/24/harmful-leftist-entities-wont-receive-our-grants-says-education-minister/

Explanation by PiS Minister who is so generous for his party:

"I repeat: everything is being and will be done in accordance with the law and we will continue to support this type of excellent organisation, and harmful and leftist entities will not receive any money from the education ministry," declared Czarnek.

OK, he rejects leftists. Let it be. But why did he shower only PiS institutions with public money?

Fekking PiS leeching gangsters! They have increased the rate of sucking Poland before the autumn elections which they are going to lose badly.

If such things are possible, it means we are still mentally in Eastern Europe.


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