Polish-Russian war? Drones entering Polish airspace.

It deserves its own thread.
Poland closing Belarus border due to 'aggressive' Russian nuclear drill, Tusk says​

The Polish prime minister slammed Russian and Belarusian provocations.
Moscow holds the exercise, a joint drill with Kremlin-allied Belarus, roughly every four years to simulate a clash with NATO countries in Eastern Europe.

Tusk said the very aggressive drills had prompted Warsaw's decision to shut the border with Belarus.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-russia-drones-ukraine-war-putin-nato-latest-news-b2823643.html

I think a time has come for a stronger reaction. This is not a joking matter anymore or an "accident". If there's no reaction that will hurt RuSSia enough for this, RuSSia will escalate this, even if "just" to destabilise Poland or to make NATO look weak and people will start getting killed in Poland.

"Strongly condemning" and sending diplomatic notes of protest to RuSSia lol 🤦 won't suffice anymore.

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Expelling diplomats would be an option.

Deporting r*SSian citizens would be another.

An optimal course of action would be to take over Kaliningrad and dismantle the regime in Minsk using so-called little green men.

That would be the best option. Unfortunately, both the politicians and the organizations responsible, as well as the functions of Polish services that should be able to carry it out, are not up to par with what is needed. I believe keeping those incompetent dimwits in charge endangers the entire Republic, and it is simply unacceptable. Enough is enough.

I would also add that this was to be expected. I didn't talk about it much, but I believe I made my position clear on PF a long time ago. Supporting Ukraine in the war with Russia will inevitably lead to escalation and retaliation from Russia. It is so obvious and simple, and yet those in charge are focusing on trivial matters rather than doing their jobs. Extreme incompetence is equivalent to diversion, sabotage, and betrayal-they should be kicked out very soon.
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Anyone who disagrees with me is a full-fledged moron or a first-class village idiot. I dedicate this appraisal to Polish citizens

Yes. And any other choice (supporting russia, claiming to be 'neutral') is worse.

Yeah, that will teach them... ;D That should be done long ago...


I think that was done already. The people left are probably those that deserve to stay. And those are not RuSSian oligarchs, so I don't see why Kremlin would care.

I think the bare minimum would be Poland using its/allied air defences to shoot down RuSSian missiles and drones already over Ukraine before they enter Polish territory. Since RuSSia decided to f*ck around in the Polish air space to such an extent there's really no other choice. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.🖕

And if that isn't enough and one Polish citizen will die or gets injured due to RuSSian missiles or drones "venturing" into Polish air space NATO countries should start opening fire at any RuSSian fighter jets "accidentally" entering NATO air space. Fighter jets are more expensive than drones and you need well trained pilots for them so I imagine RuSSians would suddenly be much, much more careful about not entering NATO air space "by accident" 😁

You would be punishing those who don't necessarily agree with the putinist government, as well as their children who are in Polish education system.


Exactly.


That would involve using our airplanes over Ukraine. That would mean the airplanes might be shot down by Russians, and that would mean war. So, if we want to avoid the direct hot war with Russia*, it's probably not the best idea.


But our planes enter Russian airspace as well, by accident or not. Our choppers fly over Belarus as well, accidentally or not. Should they be shot down as well? It's easy to start a full-blown war, Paulina, but slightly more difficult to stop it.

Could someone, please, change the thread title to "NATO's aid to Poland if Russia invades" or something similar? The current title is misleading - we are not at war with Russia yet.

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* - and, yes, we want to avoid it because we are not ready yet

No, I meant air defences, not airplanes.


Do they though? I only ever hear about RuSSian fighter jets entering NATO air space "by accident" all the time.


Why a full-blown war? Turkey, a NATO country, shot down a RuSSian fighter jet when it violated the country's airspace. Has any war started because of that? Nope. That's why I wrote what I wrote. That's how you deal with RuSSia. That's their language - clearly the only language they understand.

They can always go to Ukraine, or perhaps Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania.


It's a gesture.

We certainly don't have such long-range capabilites to cover the Ukrainian territory, so your idea would involve placing our AA batteries in Ukraine. Can you see the risk?


In any conflict it always happens on both sides.


You are referring to the incident from 2015. Back then Russia didn't want war with either Turkey or (especially) NATO. These days their entire economy is switched into war mode and they are producing large quantities of weapons with the exact purpose of war with NATO. That's why they would most likely react differently than in 2015. Hastening the outbreak of the war with Russia is hardly reasonable before we get ready for it. In 3 years time (preferably 5 though), they can invade away. Today, it would mean a lot of blood shed unnecessarily.

Russia denies those were Russian drones...

kyivindependent.com/moscow-says-no-evidence-drones-downed-over-poland-were-russian/

I don't see a problem...Here is the number to call:

(202) 456-7041

When they answer, say: Article 5!!!!

Problem solved. Me, a genius again

Absolutely no need for that.

Article 4 was triggered...

tvpworld.com/88842008/nato-triggers-article-4-after-polish-jets-shoot-down-russian-drones-in-airspace

... and so far it's quite enough.

Don't panic, guys. If there is to be war, there will be war. If there will be war, we will win it.

However, as of today, we are not at war with Russia yet. Chill out.

tech.wp.pl/polskie-patrioty-ochronia-ukraine-ekspert-wydaje-sie-sceptyczny,7047552255237056a


You wrote yourself that we're not in a conflict.


I think their focus is right now the war in Ukraine - either winning it or getting out of it as much as possible. I doubt that for the time being they're ready, willing and able to make war with the entire NATO. 🤔


Well, of course it does, it's RuSSia... lol But then they won't mind if we shoot down those "non-RuSSian" drones over Ukraine, will they now! :D 😂

Did you read the article? Using Patriots for what you suggested is not very likely and SkySabre and Mała Narew are designed specifically to defend objects in Poland, whilst Poprad, Pilica and Piorun are all short-range.


I wrote that we are not at war.


It all depends. If they are willing to sacrifice millions of their soldiers (and they don't seem to value human life very highly), then they currently have much higher material capabilities to conduct war against Eastern Flank of NATO (Finland, the Baltics, Poland) than they did in 2015.

Look, I'm not saying that we should sit back and watch idly how further waves of drones are violating our airspace. However, let's not make rash decisions.

Funny response from North Nigerian corrupt ass lickers Slovakia (said nothing) and North Benin (solidarity but refused to name North Nigeria). In fact Szijarto, the North Benin foreign minister is currently in Belarus for a diplomatic visit

balkaninsight.com/2025/09/10/hungary-avoids-criticism-of-russia-slovakia-stays-silent-over-provocation-in-poland/

Yes, that's why I linked it in response to what you wrote. Did you read it?


Not due to range though. We simply have very few of them. That's why in my earlier comment I wrote: "Poland using its/allied air defences."


Yes, and so Polish pilots would simply have to be very careful too :)))


So what? They can't even beat Ukraine.


How is defending Polish airspace a "rash decision"? Shooting down missiles while they're still over Ukraine was proposed by serious politicians and generals. Earlier maybe it wasn't the time for that, but it is now.

I'm not opposed to the idea itself. We simply don't have the capabilities.

A better idea would be to institute a NATO no-fly zone over a buffer area in Ukraine, with joint NATO forces.

And what do we have allies for? Aren't we the NATO's Eastern Flank now?? Hello???


I'm not opposed to the idea itself ;D but surely you realise how unrealistic it is (far more than what I suggest at this point). 🙄

Who expects us to be capable and able to hold our own, at the very least, able to deal with a few drones? After all, we are the first line of NATO, next to the war, and that war has been conducted for over three years. There was plenty of time for all necessary arrangements and preparations.
Allies are there to support; expecting that they will come to the rescue is incorrect thinking.
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What needs to be done. What should have been done a long time ago: Prepare proper anti-drone defences, which means organization and people. There is no point in discussing it further. How to respond. Send a few drones over Kaliningrad airspace and one drone halfway to Minsk. A one in Belarus, not that one in Mazowieckie.

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Also, get rid of the Russian asset in the Polish govermnat.

I wrote already long ago that air defence should be Poland's priority for the time being and not all those tanks, etc. But I remember Torq telling me we should buy even more choppers. 🙄


They started some time ago already. But this stuff takes time, from what I've read. That's where allies can come in handy for the time being.

The VC disagrees. The Taliban disagrees.

Who is "we"? Americans again?...Don't you have enough graves with Americans already?

So here is my sincere plea: Delete the US, America, Washington, and the DC from your vocabulary...please...Then "we" yourself all day long...until your dicks fall off...

And never, ever say that defending Europe is good for America without saying how many American lives lost is still tolerable. No poetry, essays, and typical evasive Euro crap...

Just a cold heartless number. Feel free to round it off to the nearest 1000.

What? Talking about it? They sure can talk. In reality, they are doing nothing or at best very little.
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The problem is that those allies do not have a solution to dornes at hand. We would have to ask Ukrainians. The US is in the process of testing prototypes.

Considering the violation of Polish space, we should just do like Erdogan did, shot down Russian plane, Russians got butthurt but never violated Turkey airspace again.

No Russian plane violated Polish airspace. It was drones. Are we 100% sure those were Russian drones? Russia denies.

Maybe it's the potato fuhrer f*cking around because he's butthurt we closed the border for the duration of Zapad and all those AliExpress and Temu stuff is stuck in Belarus?

Maybe it's the Ukrainians trying to drag us more into the war? Do you think they're not capable of that? Remember when that rocket fell in Przewodów? Everyone was initially blaming Russia but it turned out to be a Ukrainian rocket.

Let's calm down, investigate it thoroughly, and then - when we are 100% sure what happened - we can start shooting.

Shut up, liberal.

They always do.

Even when they're caught red handed they deny and try to confuse.


Is stupid, yet not so stupid as to launch UAVs into Polish and NATO airspace without the say so of his putrid boss.

What if the drones were actually launched by Ukraine to invite NATO to WW3? Ukraine has already shown they can dismantle and destroy undersea pipelines, so they are capable.

That is always a wise policy. I think it is a Russian action; it makes sense and logically fits in the sequence of events.