Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates

@johnny reb
While I respect your opinion, the future of immigration is a Polish idea, not JK. Most Poles are against the EU immigration idea, its not an original JK thought. Most Poles are also not in favor of open support of gays, again, not an original thought. The election should not be about these two narrow subjects. It divides the country into the educated and the non educated. Really both sides are quite stupid in this regard in not finding a centrist way to bring cross over voters.

@Lenka
Christianity out of politics? Like the separation of church and state in the USA? LMAO of course this is highly successful (sarcasm)

This election will once again come down to the poor, and uneducated voting for Duda and the educated, young voting for Trzaskowski. The young and educated would vote for a ham sandwich before voting for Duda and PiS has no way of ever getting that vote. This is the PiS long term problem. As each term in office ends they have less supporters simply due to people dying off and people becoming more educated. This election or the next they are done. Its too close to call for sure now for either side.

Its the voter who lost his job or business that should decide this election. People who actually continue to suffer because the "shield" failed the majority of small business in Poland. That is what matters. The EU money will be reduced in coming years, Poland will become a net payer into the EU, and then where does the infrastructure money come from that PiS has been spending to create jobs that are long term temporary?

Wait! Trzaskowski talked about it. Right every children and young people in Poland should be taught at school about great and good ideology of LGBT about a slightly better sexual activities that those of those old sad and backwoods' conservatives would have. Instead of be happily married - by Gay and merry! Isn't that a splendid alternative for the future generation to have?


what estimations? Leftie propaganda is known for making stuff up, manipulating and outright lying so I'm justified in being very carful about their claims.


I know why. Your side lies all the time and makes up stories so you think everyone is like that.
About that plane. I think I was plenty clear. THAT must be a big muddle of procedures that are outdated and silly and nobody bothers to address it. Instead they just do what anyone would do in Poland - play it be ear. Otherwise you are pretty much F. IF that is the truth that is. Can you imagine a pilot responsible for the safety of the president running his mouth to a newspaper? During election? Is that a coincidence? What kind of selection is that? What kind of producers and people are there? Looks like a F mess.


It doesn't matter what YOUI want. You support people who want to destroy everything and build some commie utopia on the ruins. Do you remember Soviet Poland? Do you want repeat that experience in its hardcore version?

Times changed. In past things were more simple. One ``knew`` where is democracy and where is freedom. Today one don`t know.

30 years ago was Soviet Union and then since few years ago, as Vaclav Klaus said, EU turned to be Soviet Union. Today, by many EU is Third reich. But what is USA? Yesterday it was world policeman. Today, it is or police state or no state at all. What is Russia? I don`t know. Most probable turning to Tzarism again.

And what is Poland? Servant or ruler of its own realm. Vote for those who speak of united Central Europe, from Baltic to Balkan or Poland will only serve to others. We all will only serve if we fail.

@Ironside
You are so focused on gays and LGBTQ you don't even understand what I am talking about. Gays and those issues are nothing. Miniscule issues compared to the economy, infrastructure, business growth, positioning Poland to lead Europe in the future instead of being laughed at for backward thinking. Your thinking completely ignores the challenges facing young people when the old people are dead.

Pollution, transitioning the coal mining economy that the rest of the world is killing for Poland, developing new industry and technology centers to keep Poles from leaving for other countries, creating an investor friendly environment, reducing tax burdens on business, reducing spending on non essential items like public TV, investing in hospitals and schools. You know, the $**T that makes countries great, the $**T that turns countries into leaders instead of followers and puppets. Those kind of actual important and impactful things.

There are issues that are stupid and shouldn't exist.
But time passes, and it turns out the left has MADE those issues, which shouldn't even exist, even bigger than it made them before, to the point of obscuring everything else and actually becoming dangerous.

Am I? How come? It was Mr Trzaskowski platform his only clear point. Seemingly there is nothing else beside platitudes and everyone will get what they want after i will be voted to the office.

By the way LGBT and gays are not the same issue. You are clearly confused about it.


Your thinking ignores reality. Nether side is embracing what you said fully BUT if you judge them by their actions more has been done by PIS in that direction than PO.

I mean |I can agree with you in a principle if not a detail (exception I'm not f embracing cultural Marxism like you) but it doesn't pretrain to the election as there is only choice between PO and PiS. What more people are voting president to the office. Which means the only change that would be incured by electing PO Trzaskowski is that that he will be actively sabotaging workings of the government!

Since you claim to be a realist and an reasonable guy I'm sure you are against that, as it will be without shred of the doubt bad for everyone.

I think Bosak's positions match my view. His party K's views are better imo than PiS. But I think younger-looking ppl have trouble in leadership positions as ppl don't take them seriously.

Brat Iron is good patriot but thinking in the box. He can`t move out of the box. He told me once he is Catholic first and Slavic second. Me? I would always give middle finger to Patriarch of Constantinople if he even dare to dream of harming Poland. Why would I live good in delusion if children of Poland suffer? But no, Iron is stubborn. Pope first. I can easily imagine him being volunteer for inquisition police who would scream `burn LGBT` and priest next to him is not just LGBT but perv to the core.


You nailed it.

One more reason such ilk should not be encouraged.


Why ? It helps children learn that there is a supreme being, to have morals, to develop love, to be around others who think like them and for the government....I can't speak for your country because I would feel the same if one particular denomination held so much influence over everyone.

@Ironside
I simply do not support any party blindly. I believe religion has no place in government, but people keep bringing it in because they think it somehow should guide a population. That hasnt worked so well for Muslims. Sooner or later all religious government shrinks or disappears. Rational thought will always win in the longest of battles.

I do not confuse gay and LGBTQ. I think both are equally a waste of time discussing. The more attention we pay to those "issues" the more distraction they become from the real issues. I dont believe in "movements". Everyone on the planet needs a stupid movement to get behind for social injustice or so called social growth and acceptance. Everyone should mind their own personal business and focus on growth. This is the problem with both sides.

Pollution and the other items I mentioned are real. Would anyone drink the water from the rivers in Poland unfiltered? Hell no. Sabotaging the works of a government that is not working for the people is not sabotage, it is called change and improvement, innovation. Those things spur growth.

The future of Poland under PiS is the continuation of ideas proven by PiS not to work. It is the burying of the future in financial burdens that are not necessary. When PiS is gone, then and only then will the rest of the world take Poland seriously. When they are gone, someone will lead real innovation, and it doesn't matter what the party name will be. youth is the future of Poland, not those who are currently in power. They will be dust in short order, and its only a matter of time.

Maybe they should try what obama did and that was to hand out free cell phones for their vote and the Polish aren't stupid.


As it did here in America and every other country in the world.
Trying to put the blame on the Polish government which is totally out of their control like the 1.4 billion of aid to the Catholic church world wide or the virus destroying businesses world wide is hardly Poland's governments fault.

We need to blame that on Trump too.


Actually it is the over educated low information voters that are out of touch with trying to support a family with ham sandwiches.
Look at the mess the progressive leaders in France and Canada have made of their country.
Duda is best for Poland at this point in time.

@johnny reb
Actually everyone I know with a small business in the USA received at least 10 K. That helped them a lot. So it did actually work in my opinion. The fact that larger business raped the system again is a problem. The church should not have gotten any business funding. Thats a joke. Like the church doesnt have enough money.

As for what Obama did, its irrelevant. Trump was no angel either. Neither Trump of Hilary are/were clean. Trump is the only candidate in the US who wont allow the country to collapse IMO. Biden will bury the US in depression level of debt with social spending. So will PiS and Duda.

Being a conservative is not only about family and immigration values. It is about economic values, military values, and standing strong for national economic growth spurred by innovation and creativity. This is where PiS fails completely.

Once again though no one wants to talk about real important issues. Economic issues. Polands future will be determined by the economy and nothing else. Without a plan the country is not attractive for major investment or innovation, and the young will continue to leave as soon as they can.

A lot of small businesses lost out on the virus relief bill as it was on a first come first serve basis until the money ran out.

Big businesses that didn't need it got the most while some small businesses got none.


I totally agree and so does the rest of the world.
Most of the money that the Catholic church got was spent on the upper crust of the church officials and their roles.
Poland however did use a lot of the money they got on their schools where it was intended to go.


Poland is just getting caught up with getting their feet back on the ground again with modern infrastructure.
Next phase will be to attract foreign investments that will increase the tax base to Poland like none other.
Once Poland government has the funds to dump into the economy Poland will be a sought after country that attracts large corporations to keep their highly educated citizens in Poland with a trickle down effect with someone that has to clean their swimming pools for them.

Duda can't re - build Rome in a day.
Family values and safety for Poland first and foremost.

It is a part of the package. You can't say that one is more important than other as you seem to think.

@johnny reb
Your point on foreign investments makes no sense. Foreign investment is not coming. Taxes are being raised, ZUS is being raised, and purchasing a Polish company is nearly outlawed now. It is an anit growth business sentiment in government. The red tape is astronomical. This idea of yours is simply not going to happen and PiS doesnt know how to make it happen. Really, they are completely incompetent when it comes to economics, a community college graduate could do better. Please dont insult me with this train of thought. I respect your other opinions even if I disagree but this has zero foundation.

@Ironside
Actually it doesnt have to be part of the package. A real candidate, and IMO the challenger is the lesser of two evils, but a real candidate would be a centrist. Not some left or right wing freak who wants to believe in "ideals" that no one will adhere to. A centrist who says no to immigration, no to additional free money, and yes to spending money on the people in the country's education, medical services, and job training. This would be a real candidate. All the other side show issues are simply BS.

Poland doesn't do centrism... it's all weird extremism so that everyone can ignore real problems in the name of ideological purity...

@Lenka, sure, but to the young generation of Poles he is known mostly as an internet meme.

Huh, came back from a short vacation and there a ton of pre-election propaganda produced on PF's already :-)

Dude wtf are you smoking. In every single one of those categories PiS has done well and undoubtedly far better than PO who sells out Poland to the Germans and the EU. Duda isn't Merkel's lapdog like Tusk. Clearly PiS and Duda are doing something right for the Polish people to give him 50% more votes in round 1 than fagowski.

Economic values - GDP has been steadily going up since 2015 and a recent report claimed Poland was the least economically affected out of the EU countries. All the people following PO talking points that's 500 is going to plunge the country in debt clearly hasn't seen a recent debt to GDP chart of Poland.

Military value - TONS of spending on military hardware - HIMARS, F35 and now Fort Trump is in discussions
Economic growth spurred by innovation and creativity - have no you clue how many IT, engineering, etc., open jobs there are? Companies and recruiters are finding it difficult to get qualified people - the demand simply too great vs supply of qualified candidates. Nonetheless, both Polish and international companies are expanding like crazy and building huge beautiful offices and factories. I can think of dozens of huge international corporations with operations in Wroclaw alone.

And culturally? He's showing to the world especially the EU that Poles are proud people and they're not going to shove multiculti pro lgbt garbage and "cultural enrichment" into Poland. Now The Duda is even campaigned on making it officially illegal for homos to adopt kids. What a great leader!

Yeah he doesn't bow to the Germans and EU but to USA and Israel. ;)

Then he is on the right side of things.

@Dirk diggler
The economy is artificially inflated by employment in state industry funded by EU dollars. That was until corona. The employment numbers in Poland do not account for all the jobs lost by Ukraine migrants who will not get those jobs back because record numbers of business closed to not reopen again. You havent walked a street in Poland to see how many empty storefronts there are. I have in many cities and its scary to see.

Economic GDP is slowing, and it will begin to fall now. What happened before corona is simply not how things are now and not how they will be moving forward.

Spending on military is required by NATO. If they dont spend they dont belong, one of the reasons Trump is complaining about other EU members. It is also the only way Poland gets time with Trump and PiS knows it. Fort Trump isnt happening, Duda came from the last meeting with nothing. Right before the election he got nothing. Companies are finding it hard to get qualified people for what Polish companies will pay, not because they arent out there. They are finding it hard because educated people typically dont choose to move to an oppressive or overly taxed community. The Polish military without NATO or the United States is no better than the Michigan Militia.

Culture is the only thing PiS has going for it. But the gay stuff, and alphabet soup issues really makes the country look stupid. Gays are not going away. Homo's have been in Poland since the beginning of time.

Duda and PiS are the past, they can not move the country forward.

No Duda's not on the right side of things. USA is a goner, a failed state. And Zionists hate Poland.

Offff, Ok you deleted my thread where I exposed the corrupt, thung Bulgarian PM as insulting his Polsih, Hungarian and Bavarian collegues, as well as Europeans in general. I would like to know if they have had some talks recently with him and signing papers? I wonder what did the Polish PM (or was it the president) and Orban had to talk with Borisov. Also, you can tell I hate him. In fact most Bulgarians do, yet he somehow always wins. Duda is more civilized and educated but also seems to be of the same ill (mafioso-style businessmen). I think the only one of that ilk really doing good for his country is Orban.

Yes, and PiS was doing a great job well before corona hit. All the technical data and economic indicators prove the PiS handled the Polish economy very well which is precisely why the country enjoyed such robust growth. And no **** businesses are going to close because of it - that's the same as in the USA yet not even liberals can argue that Trump was doing a bad job on the economy. Also, don't tell me I haven't walked any streets in Poland when I've walked hundreds if not thousands. I'm well aware of the micro and macro economic situation of Poland. A person doesn't even have to be Polish or ever gone to Poland to analyze macroeconomic data which clearly shows that Poland's economy as a whole was doing fantastic from 2015 to the present - and even despite covid, Poland is considered to be the least economically affected out of all the EU states. Microeconomics? I don't care that Jasiek's bakery and Krystyna's hair salon are closed - that's going to happen everywhere because of covid. What I care is Mercdes and companies like them built a 500 mil EU factory in Poland.

Artificially inflated by EU dollars? ROFL first off it's EUROS... And obviously you haven't taken a look at the data or the math otherwise you'd realize how little money that actually is in the Polish economy. Average of approx 15 bil a year builds a few roads, paints some gyms, goes back into the eu bureaucracy, and is taken by Poles who have become masters at winning contracts large and small to stuff their own pockets. Poland received a bit over 100 billion EU from 2014-2020 approximately 15 bil a year. A DROP IN THE BUCKET... Do you, Mr. Economist, know how much that is of the Polish annual GDP? Under .03% if going by a figure of $600 bil nominal GDP. Yeah because the 15 bil a year from the EU, +.03% of the GDP, is what's kept Poland's GDP at a +3-5% growth YoY from 2015.... right....

Sure, the funds EU gives to Poland help - 15 bil a year would help any country. However, when you have a 600 bil nominal GDP, over $1 trillion GDP by PPP it's not very much. If you took away 15 bil from Poland's economy it's be a loss of .03% going by nominal GDP, half of that if by PPP.


Tell that to the Germans...

And yes, gays have been in Poland since the beginning of time. At least generations ago they knew to keep quiet and now prance down the street like a parade float. Nor were our neighbors telling us to accept this crap.

of rigging the books? Weird standard.....

Rigging what books?

@Dirk diggler
You have not been in Poland in years. You have said this. Any monkey can cite newspaper clippings and propaganda from PiS. Living and working in Poland is completely different. Mom and Pop shops are the lifeblood of Poland. Factories are not. Same as in the USA, and for the same reason Trump made sure small business got some money. Poland small business got nothing from the Federal Gov, and only 5000 pln from each voivodeship after the business stayed open for 3 months during the pandemic. Dont comment on things you didnt experience, it doesnt hold up to scrutiny.

All the auto plants in Poland were closed for months. Lets see how GDP is effected moving forward. Stop talking about the past. This is this forum's problem, no one talks about the future, its all arguing the past and homo's. Unreal how stupid the discussion is. Someone please tell me the plan for the future. PiS has no plan excpt to continue to consolidate power and destroy democracy while spending the country into debt like America is can never escape.

As for the Germans it is exactly why the USA is pulling forces out of Germany. Now with Latvia asking the US to put a military base there, where do you think the US goes? Definitely not Poland. The US still wants a free and impartial court system, both sides of politics accept differences in core beliefs yet neither would support the judiciary moves PiS has made.

The alphabet people's effort to normalize homosexuality (even going so far as to introduce it to children's cartoons) is what is instigating the backlash.

Let's take a look how many people were executed for homosexuality in European history:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_executed_for_homosexuality_in_Europe

You know why this list is so short? Because out of sight, out of mind. The society regarded the act as a sin but for the most part the minds of people weren't overtly preoccupied with homosexuals because that stuff happened at the margins. But now it's everywhere and you can't go on a single day without being told how terrible it is that there's still some people out there who just can't accept there's nothing at all grotesque about two guys "doing" each other in the ass.

It is indeed terrible that there are still people who find it acceptable to discriminate against gays. And as long as gay couples face discrimination, vitriol and violence by those people it will be necessary to push back with everything available.

Any gay couple should be able to walk hand in hand down in any small Polish village without being antagonized.

You arrogant a-hole. Who made you an Emperor of the word?