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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


dolnoslask 5 | 2,889
29 Jun 2020 #1,651
Crazy campaign system here, having two rounds of voting.

First past the post should win. A second round only enables idiots morons and radicals to take a tactical swipe at whomever they feel is their nearest political enemy .
mafketis 23 | 8,410
29 Jun 2020 #1,652
First past the post should win

That's a vote for Donald Tusk in 2005 (when he won the first round) how would Polish history have been different had that been enough?
dolnoslask 5 | 2,889
29 Jun 2020 #1,653
how would Polish history have been different had that been enough?

Not hugely different , GDP/ growth would still be good, we would have taken in few thousand migrants that would have promptly scarpered over the German border for a better life. we might of had gay processions alongside church processions, the duck would not have screwed up Europe and helped create brexit, because he would be running Poland that's all ..
Lenka 3 | 1,980
29 Jun 2020 #1,654
Crazy campaign system here, having two rounds of voting.

I happen to like it. It allows people to show their true preferences without voting tactically in the first round

Plus let's say 3 candidates with similar ideas (let's say centre) might separately get less votes then a different candidate (right) but then in second round voters would add app and one off them would beat the rights candidate because more people want that kind of politics.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
29 Jun 2020 #1,655
we might of had gay processions alongside church processions

An odd thought.... who wants such a thing?

the duck would not have screwed up Europe and helped create brexit

Huh? this doesn't make any sense, "the duck" was a way of referring to Lech Kaczyński....
dolnoslask 5 | 2,889
29 Jun 2020 #1,656
to show their true preferences

To what end some of these parties are crazy , like the British raving looney party , who cares.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
29 Jun 2020 #1,657
To what end

The end is 100 000 supporters- that's the amount of signatures they have to get to register. And most of them are actually independent.
And after all there can be only one round if the candidate has enough support
dolnoslask 5 | 2,889
29 Jun 2020 #1,658
if the candidate has enough support

I just find the system tedious, I prefer the Brit first past the post, but this is my personal opinion , I am no political ex-spurt thank god.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
29 Jun 2020 #1,659
, I prefer the Brit first past the post,

Well, every system has it's good and bad sides. I just like underdogs and they would mostly be gone in first past the post Look even in this thread I vored Witkowski, Ziemowit Holownia and Spike Bosak. If there was only one round neither one of us would probably dare to do that.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
29 Jun 2020 #1,660
I prefer the Brit first past the pos

Years ago a blog by an English guy in Poland suggested that countries periodically switch systems... that Poland parliamentary elections should be run on a 'first past the post' system so that the deal making happens before rather than after the election. He also thought that the proportional system in Poland would improve British parliamentary elections.

I like the idea of 20 or 50 year periods of one system and then switching so that the flaws of one way of doing things don't get too institutionalized.
Ziemowit 13 | 4,088
29 Jun 2020 #1,661
"the duck" was a way of referring to Lech Kaczyński.

One may assume there are two ducks in Polish politics: one is Donald Duck, the other is Kaczyński Duck (kaczka=duck)

If there was only one round neither one of us would probably dare to do that.

I would probably abstain. Now look how Duda has suddenly become kind to everyone. His gay patrols gone, he just thanks people for voting for him, but also for voting for his competitors. Smiles and kind greetings for those who want to listen, supporters or enemies alike. As my neighbour uded to say: :"Cukierek umaczany w truciźnie".
Crow 139 | 8,620
29 Jun 2020 #1,662
Kaczyński Duck

Duck is wise. Duck arming Serbs. Duck don't buy BS and wants to see Poland rule its realm.
mafketis 23 | 8,410
29 Jun 2020 #1,663
Duda has suddenly become kind to everyone. His gay patrols gone

Well that didn't last long... does queer bashing really resonate with the Polish electorate?

wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/wybory-prezydenckie-2020-andrzej-duda-w-wyborczy-poranek/blnbzez
OP pawian 170 | 11,398
29 Jun 2020 #1,664
A little remark - there is one winner in the first round - Trzaskowski - he got 30% after a short campaign. He had hoped for such a result and gained it.

Duda lost coz he and his men had expected a higher result - over 50% and victory in the first round.

If we take seriously what Hołownia and Bosak had claimed before the voting, namely expecting over 20% and dreaming of the second position, we can assume they also lost with such results as we can see. .

Biedron and KK are complete disasters - they got many fewer votes than their own parties managed to collect in last year`s elections.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
29 Jun 2020 #1,665
does queer bashing really resonate with the Polish electorate?

He is trying to appeal to Bosak's voters plus scare people with that awful Trzaskowski that is a danger to Polish family
Dirk diggler 9 | 4,550
29 Jun 2020 #1,666
Trzaskowski: 48,1
Duda: 45,8

ROFL. That pillow biter mayor isn't going to win. No way. No one outside liberal urban yuppies, the gays and queers, a few odd old pensioners, and those who the socialists from western europe and jewish organizations managed to brainwash is going to vote for him and that's not enough to make him win an election in a place like Poland.
amiga500 - | 139
29 Jun 2020 #1,667
Interesting that Trashkowski won 3:1 vs Duda amongst Sovietised Polonia in Russia, funny that ;) can someone find a breakdown from goverment site on results from polacy za grancy? cannot see anything on wybory.pl or komisja wyborcza just individual consulate twitters.
Lenka 3 | 1,980
29 Jun 2020 #1,668
Sovietised Polonia in Russia, funny that ;)

Sorry misread
Spike31 3 | 1,638
29 Jun 2020 #1,669
there is one winner in the first round - Trzaskowski

certain attitude I would like to discuss, namely reality distortion.

;-)
jon357 63 | 15,214
29 Jun 2020 #1,670
Trzaskowski - he got 30% after a short campaign.

Remarkable really, and added to the other opposition votes, It shows that most voters don't want Duda.
Spike31 3 | 1,638
29 Jun 2020 #1,671
It shows that most voters don't want Duda.

It also shows that 70% don't want Trzaskowski :-) I love those "deep" analysis. The internet is full of them today
amiga500 - | 139
29 Jun 2020 #1,672
******* TVP has temporarily cut TVP Info live stream to international viewers. They want people to sign up for some stupid satellite or whatever rubbish. Hopefully this will end soon. Stuck to watching a pirate tvn24 stream at the moment. Like watching Russia today propaganda. Will find a pirate TVP Info stream soon. Finding Polsat News is impossible.
jon357 63 | 15,214
29 Jun 2020 #1,673
It also shows that 70% don't want Trzaskowski

Given that he's a late challenger and not in office, that's a harder assertion to make.

Duda and his puppet-masters must be worried now.
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
29 Jun 2020 #1,674
@amiga500
They spent the 3 billion pln real fast LMAO
amiga500 - | 139
29 Jun 2020 #1,675
ahh its back worldwide :) they kicked out the PO spy out of the IT dept and shot him:)
amiga500 - | 139
29 Jun 2020 #1,677
looks like delphs prediction about 33.5 percent for Sir Duda was spot on so congratulations to him. However Delph and PolamKrakow et all about Duda losing Śląsk and Dolny Śłask were dead wrong. Esp Śląsk were the difference was 10 percent! Looks like the miners are for duda. ! :)
Spike31 3 | 1,638
29 Jun 2020 #1,678
OK, PKW have annouced results from 99,78% voting polls so it's time a quick summary. The numbers are incomplete but let's do a little bit of statistics and some simple math

Total number of voters in Poland: ~ 29 526 533

Voter turnout: 64,4 % so ~ 19,015,087 people voted in the 1st round of a presidential elections.

=================================

A.Duda 43,67% and ~ 8 412 000 votes

R.Trzaskowski 30,34% ~ 5 845 000

S.Holownia 13,85% ~ 2 667 000

K. Bosak - 6,75 % ~ 1 300 000

Kosiniak-Kamysz - 2,37% ~ 457 000

Biedroń - 2,21 % ~ 425 000

=================================

Let's assume that the 2nd round will have similar voter turnout. What do we see?

In order to win the 2nd round of elections the candidate have to gather a little over 9 500 000 votes.

A.Duda will have to attract ~ 1 100 000 more voters to score over 50% and win.

and R.Trzaskowski will have to convince ~ 3 700 000 more voters to score over 50% and win.

Let's start with a simple fact that Trzaskowski taking over 100% of Holownia voters is a political fiction, even if Holownia would encourage his electorate to vote for him. It never happened in any democratic election anywhere in the world. It just doesn't work like that. On top of that many Holownia voters are simply centrists and also cannibalized K.Kamysz and Biedron voters (have you asked yourself why both of them scored so low despite Trzaskowski permanently balancing on ~30%, natural POKO electorate?).

But let's be very generous: Trzaskowski is going to take over 70% of them, that is 1,866,900‬.
And 30% for A. Duda, that is ~800 000

And now, K.Bosak voters. Most of them will not vote for Trzaskowski, but again, I'm feeling generous today: 50% will vote for Trzaskowski ~650 000. 50% for A . Duda so + ~650 000 for him

Let's move on...but wait but A.Duda has 9,862,000 votes already and would win the elections. Even if Trzaskowski would get 100% of the remaining votes from K.Kamysz and Biedron, which is again a political fiction...

In order for A.Duda to loose the elections there would have some disaster to happen in the next 2 weeks. And I'm talking about an eathquake combined with a biblical plagues. And also a major miracle on Trzaskowski's side at the same time.
amiga500 - | 139
29 Jun 2020 #1,679
Great post @Spike31
Watch the pivot by the PO drones here, that a Duda victory is in fact good for PO , as poland will implode economically and enter the dark ages, and PO will then rule over Poland the next 50 years!! HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHA
PolAmKrakow 1 | 434
29 Jun 2020 #1,680
@Spike31
Only problem is voter turnout in round 2 wont be close to round 1. Before we start guessing where the other non Duda voters will vote, maybe looking how the last elections non first round winners voted in the second round. The numbers they showed on TVN with those facts might surprise you. Duda clearly won the first round, we expected it. But 43 percent is not 50% or better. Its a stretch to think he has this wrapped up. If it were wrapped up we wouldnt be having a second round.

I would never, under any circumstances vote for PiS who has zero economic plan and have been an economic disaster. They have stepped all over the courts and make the country one that people laugh about. This is how people want the world to view Poland? And then we wonder why Poland can not match the economies of developed Europe?

Eventually, regardless of whether Duda wins or not, PiS will die with JK. Sooner would be better than later for the country.

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