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Presidential elections 2020 - your opinions about campaign, candidates


Crow 139 | 8,566
8 May 2020 #631
Polonia, who take absolutely no responsibility for their actions.

Please. Spit on me if you must but please don`t speak against Polonia. Polonia is sacred. Best functioning Polish thing.

You know, I assure you Corey Lewandowski is more responsible then Duda. And love Poland more then Duda. Its Duda who authorized contract for those jets with one motor. He won`t put his child to fly there.
jon357 63 | 15,214
8 May 2020 #632
Polonia, ... no responsibility for their actions.... a single party state.

Basically vicarious. Back seat driving by people who prefer to live in very different societies to the one PiS are trying to create.
Lenka 3 | 1,952
8 May 2020 #633
I'm surprised no one else mentioned it already but...
In what normal country, after fiasco like this election , the amount spend by the government is a secret? How can we be told that it's a market secret?

Can PiS become even more ridiculous?
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
8 May 2020 #634
Can PiS become even more ridiculous?

At this point, even they have to be in disbelief at just how much nonsense they can tell their electorate.

Those protests in Warsaw are getting interesting. Paweł Tanajno has gone from nobody to a somebody in the space of two days, but what's genuinely interesting is that we're seeing the first real right wing protest against PiS since 2015.
KorkiTaczer - | 62
8 May 2020 #635
Can PiS become even more ridiculous?

More ridiculous than PO, SLD, PSL and their girlfriends? Hardly ever. Btw the Marshal of Poland, known as Tomasz Grodzki, is still unable to reveal the lucky bastards in senate that received high bonuses for their 'hard work' (exactly 4 months of work).
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
8 May 2020 #636
Ah yes, a nice new troll.

Do tell us about the huge rise in salaries in the Prime Minister's office and the President's chancellery. For bonus points, can you tell us why many of the bonuses awarded were never returned, despite promises to the contrary?

Certainly a not very clued up troll though, given that the title "Marshal of Poland" was last held by one Marian Spychalski.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
8 May 2020 #637
can you tell us why many of the bonuses awarded were never returne

Cause PiS = neo-PRL, corruption and connections count for everything - I've yet to meet an honest PiS supporter (for long, some fall under the spell temporarily but soon are repelled by the rampant greed and and graft (US meaning) around everything they do....
KorkiTaczer - | 62
8 May 2020 #638
the title "Marshal of Poland" was last held by one Marian Spychalski

I was referring to his huge ego. Maybe should have used 'Marshall" instead... the guy looks like clown with his gestures. Especially having in mind his additional sources of income. Back in the day he didn't think 'koperty' can be deadly...

Do tell us about the huge rise in salaries in the Prime Minister's office and the President's chancellery.

After 4 months of 'hard work'? And don't you think the opposition should be a little bit more honest than the ruling party in order get back in power? At least, if thats what they really want? And not just sit on their fat asses and get money for nothing. They are not even capable of chosing a decent candidate. And the fact that you mix Tanajno with far right makes more of a troll than me. Just so you know, he's a former PO member and... Palikot's member...

PiS = neo-PRL

OK. PO + Giertych = Neo-Nazism
jon357 63 | 15,214
8 May 2020 #639
I've yet to meet an honest PiS supporter

One of them, a member and activist in that party, once asked me to forge a UK academic diploma for him. He couldn't understand why I refused.
antheads 13 | 368
9 May 2020 #640
And this right here, ladies and gents puts paid to the PRL, one party state malarkey. You should have embelished your story to give your angle some cred. If PiS = PRL you boss would have been pressured to fire you, tax dept on your case, random pull over by the police etc. instead nothing! prob one of the above would have happened in the 2000s with PO and oligarch mates in charge. or u really pissed them off u would have joined the serial suicide club.
Lenka 3 | 1,952
9 May 2020 #641
prob one of the above would have happened in the 2000s with PO and oligarch mates in charge.

Yyyy, no.

And I love how every time PiS does something bad it's 'but PO...' Grow up.

Any defence from the PiS supporters here why the public shouldn't know how much they spend on those failed elections?
Ironside 49 | 10,282
9 May 2020 #642
PiS does something bad it's 'but PO

Bad? Like what make up BS or some trivia your lot keep putting in here? I said why PiS policy and where is 'bad'. Thing is total opposition would to it ten if not million times worse. Somehow not a one of you 'PRL democrat'' hasn't address those issues. You focus on some nonsense like jon story, why would anyone take his word on that?
Lenka 3 | 1,952
9 May 2020 #643
Bad?

Like messing up the election crisis and even better- not telling the public how much that mess cost them.

And it's quite funny to always blame opposition. PiS is in power for quite few years now and I think it's time for them to realise that being in charge means you are the one responsible when people don't like what is happening. And guess what? People didn't like this election mess
KorkiTaczer - | 62
9 May 2020 #644
being in charge means you are the one responsible when people don't like what is happening

To be genuinely fair, do you apply the same logic in every political issue? (e.g. Trzaskowski or Zdanowska crying for more money)
Lenka 3 | 1,952
9 May 2020 #645
Yes if they have control over it as PiS had with the election. Any more pointing fingers somewhere else while the topic of this discussion is nicely ignored?
KorkiTaczer - | 62
9 May 2020 #646
Maybe you fail to remember that plenty of losers representing PO had a total control over Poland and still control local administrative units. It has been going on for almost 3 decades now. Or even longer if you take politruks such as Święcicki into account. The topic of this lovely discussion should be why the opposition got crappy candidates, did everything they could to delay elections, got what they wanted and still have crappy candidates. In short, if PO and their girlfriends can't win, the elections suck.
Lenka 3 | 1,952
9 May 2020 #647
Yawn...The same nonsense over and over again..
Don't you think it's quite pathetic if your only line of defense is 'they did the same '? For Pete's sake, we are not in kindergarten. ..

Can you please explain what opposition candidates have to do with PoS not saying how much this mess cost?
KorkiTaczer - | 62
9 May 2020 #648
Yawn...The same nonsense over and over again..

Right back at you. So you no longer want to 'discuss' candidates, campain, Grodzki and his 'deadly koperty' and so on, but the cost of this mess. Mess created by the opposition themselves. And not because they are shitlessly scared of losing the elections, right... Well I think the cost is so huge that Poland will never recover, "PoS" is basically dead. People on the streets are screaming Kidawa, Kidawa...

we are not in kindergarten

Looks like your parents left you there and never came back :)
Lenka 3 | 1,952
9 May 2020 #649
We can do but one- you don't post any arguments and two you were responding to my post about something different trying very hard not to address the points I made. If you want my opinion Kosiniak-Kamysz seems to be the best candidate atm although his wife is extremely annoying imo.
Ironside 49 | 10,282
9 May 2020 #650
And it's quite funny to always blame opposition.

well, I don't blame them for PiS policies which I think to be erroneous or inept. Still they are not blameless for what they have done F tragowica disgrace and treason,.

Like messing up the election crisis

Legally according to the constitution there is no way to stop that election. Why? Cause constitution is a poorly written contradictive mess. That is the point of entry. You make it sound as if that all situation was clear cut and only PiS's greed is at fault. Not it is not,. and yes if the opposition was a real Polish opposition they could have some sort of agreement to sort it out those issue in accord with gov, But not that bunch of nasty stupid ***** won't have it no matter what, all it does want to be destructive. If some's or other power would have attracted Poland they would join them just to spite PiS.
mafketis 23 | 8,360
9 May 2020 #651
Legally according to the constitution there is no way to stop that election

Yes there was, but PiS didn't want to do it.... and when has PiS ever respected the constitution?

What PO did or didn't do is completely irrelevant in the current discussion on PiS's attempt to ram through PRL style sham elections. Let's keep discussion to that.

Kosiniak-Kamysz seems to be the best candidate

I agree.... Duda is a spineless puppet and a disgrace to the office.
Spike31 3 | 1,610
9 May 2020 #652
With all due respect but calling Duda a puppet and mentioning that Kosiniak-Kamysz is the best presidential candidate at the same time is pretty amusing :-)

There is no, or ever was, more opportunistic political party in Polish parliament than PSL [ZSL].

PSL has "100% coalition compatibility" that is it can form any coalition from left to right, as long as it benefits them, since they don't have political convictions of their own.
KorkiTaczer - | 62
9 May 2020 #653
Yes there was, but PiS didn't want to do it

Really? Until last Wednesday so called opposition wanted to deter the upcoming elections at all cost. Some of them even claimed that Gowin could become their new best buddy. They refused to change the constitution so that new elections could take place in 2 years time. At the same time they offered nothing in exchange apart from declaring a state of emergency every 3 months without any clear deadline. In the end they have achieved what they wanted by keeping a gov bill at senate for almost a month. And now they are still crying... even though they got exactly what they want.
Lenka 3 | 1,952
9 May 2020 #654
You make it sound as if that all situation was clear cut and only PiS's greed is at fault.

They are the ones in power for Pete's sake! Who is at fault if not them? They knew from the beginning there is no support for postal elections yet they pushed with all their might. They made all the preparation on the cost of Polish taxpayer.

And after all that they have the cheek to tell the public that it's a secret! Iron, seriously,you cannot defend that!

There is no, or ever was, more opportunistic political party in Polish parliament than PSL [

True, but it will do you no good to mix the party with the individual.
Torq 32 | 2,999
9 May 2020 #655
PSL has "100% coalition compatibility"

You are talking about the old PSL. They have changed and moved to centre-right, Christian-democratic positions. They could form coalition with both PiS and PO, but I don't see them forming alliance with Lewica. It's a different party these days.

And now they are still crying... even though they got exactly what they want.

They are trying to destabilise the government. On the one hand it's understandable opposition tactics, but on the other hand, in the current situation, it might not necessarily be the best thing for Poland. PSL is the only opposition party who keeps repeating that Poland needs a stable government in this time of crisis - it's mostly PO who's ready to use any dirty trick to get back to power.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
9 May 2020 #656
but on the other hand, in the current situation, it might not necessarily be the best thing for Poland.

I'd say it's exactly what Poland needs right now. A government which has abandoned all dialogue with anyone except their own echo chambers is not a good one, and getting rid of it can only help. PiS haven't got a clue how to get out of this mess, not least because their support effectively depends on electoral sausage.

Strange things are going on tonight as well, with Pawłowicz talking about minority governments.
Torq 32 | 2,999
9 May 2020 #657
Pawłowicz talking about minority governments

Yes, I've heard the rumours, but somehow I don't see it. Gowin doesn't have the balls, and PiS has enough "persuasion power" to keep most PG MPs in line.
delphiandomine 85 | 18,266
9 May 2020 #658
Gowin doesn't have the balls

On the other hand, if he doesn't act now, he's probably finished politically. He has the numbers to put PiS into minority, but it would be one hell of a gamble.

I'm just not convinced that the opposition want to bring down this government. There will be a tremendous amount of pain in winter, and I'm not sure that any of them want to take responsibility for it.
KorkiTaczer - | 62
9 May 2020 #659
it's understandable opposition tactics, but on the other hand, in the current situation, it might not necessarily be the best thing for Poland.

And that's exactly what keeps bringing them down. Kidawa indicates the possible future for PO. People can see that (well maybe not on this forum) and even though the economic crisis, that they pray for, will surely hit Poland hard but that may not be enough to regain power.
Sylvio 18 | 137
10 May 2020 #660
At least in US and UK you get the impression that there is a single person behind government decisions. DT or BJ preempt, persuade and justify if there is blowback. In Poland, as clearly visible around C19, its hard to be sure who carries the can for all the decisions coming down. They all glib-talk their way along on the telly, but who does what is shrouded in mystery. This presidential election, e.g. can anyone tell what decisions could be credited to our president?

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