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Poles say a big YES to our European Union


Tacitus  2 | 1247
17 Sep 2023   #931
not that hard.

It is if you want to live up to the standards of your civilization. Just because Australia has decided to compromise their principles should not mean we do so as well.

Europe could easily absorb a few million refugees per year if we distribute them properly amongst the member states. Once every country takes in their fair share, this crisis will cease to be a problem.
Miloslaw  21 | 4987
17 Sep 2023   #932
Europe could easily absorb a few million refugees per year

Obviously, you are a lunatic......
mafketis  38 | 10954
18 Sep 2023   #933
Europe could easily absorb a few million refugees per year

So... you think that if Europe buckles down and just starts treating migrants well.... that will stop the flow?

Do you have any remote idea how many people live in Africa and how many want out?

Germany's disastrous energy policies are crippling industry and you want to bring in how many people who will always be dependent upon welfare/petty crime?
Ironside  50 | 12354
18 Sep 2023   #934
Time to change European law.... as it's clearly not fit for purpose.

Exactly, ursulsa travels to lampedusa to spew the same nonsense as usual. No solution for the EU they must aim for dissolution.
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
18 Sep 2023   #935
if we distribute them properly amongst the member states

How exactly do you propose to do that? I mean not only "distributing" them but also making them stay where they are.

When they get to the EU - and most of them want to go to Germany, France, Netherlands or Scandinavia - how do you propose to keep them in Bulgaria, Romania or Poland? Tie them on a chain? Lock them in closed camps? How?
Tacitus  2 | 1247
18 Sep 2023   #936
No solution for the EU they must aim for dissolution.

The EU is not the obstacle. The UK left the EU yet has not managed to come up with a working solution beyond letting the EU handle this and a Ruanda scheme that the UK courts seem to have serious issues with. The obstacle is dealing with the refugees while adhering to the standards of rule of law that defines our civilization.

How exactly do you propose to do that?

Simple. Create a data base where all refugees are registered and make sure that they can only claim benefits in the country they are allocated to.
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
18 Sep 2023   #937
they can only claim benefits in the country they are allocated to

It wouldn't solve the problem. You are already assuming that most of them would claim benefits but what about those who want to work? Wages in Bulgaria are not the same as in Ireland, and I bet most of them would rather give up Romanian benefits to live and work in Germany or Belgium.

So, for the overwhelming majority of immigrants the question still remains the same - how do you keep them in poorer countries of the EU?

We observed the problem very well with the first wave. Poland took in some of them, local parishes found them flats/houses to stay in, helped them find jobs and they got Polish benefits (much lower than, for example, German ones). In a matter of weeks most of them went to Germany anyway.

We can't have any viable distribution scheme as long as wages/benefits are not very similar all over the EU, and it's not going to happen in predictable future.
Ironside  50 | 12354
18 Sep 2023   #938
The obstacle is dealing with the refugees while adhering to the standards of rule of law that defines our civilization.

If rule of law is such a nonsense as to the point of giving up the basic natural law of selfdefence, such civlization dies, met it dead end.

It is an aberration not what defines our civlization, it is an aberration like a year long rule of those nutters in Münster in 1534.
mafketis  38 | 10954
18 Sep 2023   #939
would rather give up Romanian benefits to live and work in Germany or Belgium

And by work I assume you mean 'engage in petty crime' because that's all most of them are qualified to do....
mafketis  38 | 10954
18 Sep 2023   #940
Western European countries are not good at producing jobs that people who barely know the local language can do

Western European countries are far too good at trapping people into intergenerational welfare dependence

Western European resources are limited... the number of Africans who want to live in Europe far, far, far excedes the number that can be taken in.

Solve for equilibrium.
Ironside  50 | 12354
18 Sep 2023   #941
mean 'engage in petty crime'

Seems like Georgians migrants in Poland are the same..
GefreiterKania  31 | 1429
18 Sep 2023   #942
Solve for equilibrium.

Hey, I'm just trying to establish how Tacitus plans to solve this "migrant distribution" problem.

As for mass immigration to Europe, I'm definitely against it. Well, at least to the countries that had no colonies. If a country had colonies in Africa and exploited African people for centuries, then they deserve everything they get when it comes to immigration. The same applies to South America and Asia. I see it as a sort of historical justice: greedy c*nts who enslaved and exploited millions of people in Africa, South America, India or Pakistan will eventually become minorites in their own countries because for some reason migrant women, as opposed to native Europeans, still retained their maternal instinct. It's a perfect justice, almost Godly one might say. Pan Bóg nierychliwy, ale sprawiedliwy - as wise Poles say. :)
Alien  24 | 5665
18 Sep 2023   #943
Europe could easily absorb a few million refugees per year

A simple math problem. About 550 million people live in the EU. In 2022, approximately 4 million children were born. On average, a woman in EU gives birth to 1.5 children. The goal would be for women to give birth to approximately 2.2 children so that Europe does not die out and pension systems are secured. Question: how many emigrants and what kind of emigrants does Europe need?

A small correction, the EU currently has approximately 450 million inhabitants, not 550 million.
Cargo pants  3 | 1443
18 Sep 2023   #944
LOL dont worry soon it will be 550 with there immigration policies:)You will be correct soon lol.
Alien  24 | 5665
18 Sep 2023   #945
550 million will be when Ukraine joins and the UK returns. 😁
pawian  221 | 25160
18 Sep 2023   #947
So, right now I am in a cleft stick coz there are so many arguments for and against.
On the one hand, we are Christians so we should help. Additionally, we need immigrants for labour and sustainment of population.

On the other hand, if we allow too many to enter, European societies will rebel and choose far right govs which, after dealing with immigrants in a forceful brutal way, will crack down on democratic principles and rule of law, thus limiting the rights of indigenous population. I would certainly not want to be ruled by far rightists nastier and crazier than PiS.
Alien  24 | 5665
18 Sep 2023   #948
far rightists nastier and crazier than PiS.

Well, don't beat around the bush, tell me who you mean.
pawian  221 | 25160
18 Sep 2023   #949
tell me who you mean

In Germany it is AfD. In Poland - brown radicals from Konfederacja. etc. There are still even worse brownies than the guys I mentioned
Novichok  5 | 7724
18 Sep 2023   #950
AFD - my favorite German party.
pawian  221 | 25160
18 Sep 2023   #951
Of course - their Nazi ancestors saved you from the hands of Polish brutes who tried to annihilate you when a baby...... They were like Herods trying to kill baby Jesus..... . :):):)
Novichok  5 | 7724
19 Sep 2023   #952
Pawian, try to reset and update your diary. Poland already did. Except for Russia, of course...
mafketis  38 | 10954
19 Sep 2023   #953
we need immigrants for labour and sustainment of population

A very large majority of those arriving by sea have no real chance of ever being able to keep a job in Europe... they don't have the linguistic background (and European countries aren't good at teaching adult arrivals and mostly don't have jobs that don't require language).

As for population.... I'm more of a cultural nationalist but a genetically diverse population can only work under a _ruthless_ regime of forced assimilation.... it is what it is.
Ironside  50 | 12354
19 Sep 2023   #954
A very large majority of those arriving by sea

I see analogy to SEA people that arrivied in the acient Egypt, to stay for a long time...
What we need is to get rid of the so called liberal elite in the EU and especially cut it ties with with the press and fat cats in Germany... German system is the obstacle here!

Meloni rather then whinning should change the law or break the law and stop those boats from landing by all means, send them all back to the african shore by forece. That is only viable solution.

Simple

I see you have run away rather than face the truth! Don't tell me you are the same like those nutters in Münster in 1534.
Alien  24 | 5665
19 Sep 2023   #955
send them all back to the african shore by forece.

How about shooting them, right?
Ironside  50 | 12354
19 Sep 2023   #956
liberal elite? By all means be my guest!
They beg for it!
mafketis  38 | 10954
19 Sep 2023   #957
German system is the obstacle here

I think there are two moving parts....

Germany's system is functionally broken and no one wants to admit it.... (going largely here by comments made by Andrew Hammel on his very good twitter feed).

There is also an.... agenda? by some powers that be in Europe (inside and outside the EU) that is about doing everything it can to facilitate mass migration that won't lead to direct public rebellion. This means the process is slower than it might be (which frustrates them) and it means many don't seem to realize that a lot of dysfunctional migration policy is there on purpose.

The two parts (broken policy machines and policies that purposefully enable migration) are partly independent and partly working together.... but you can't make sense of wha'ts happening without both parts.

Also: in the globalist worldview, human beings do not have agency... all human beings are interchangeable widgets not shaped by genetics, culture or religion but are infinitely malleable by sound government policy. There is no evidence to back this up and lots of challenge it but they hold it close to their hearts and don't want to let it go.....


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